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    African Americans Can't Be Racist?

    Yes, folks, I'm raising hell again with my column. A certain talk show host on Sirius Left claims African Americans can't be racists because they don't have any power. Here's MY take on his assertion. (Or you can go to my blog here which should be posted below along with with a less specific link to the same column I just provided a link to.)

    Obviously I think the whole concept is beyond absurd. What do you think?
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    Its easy for african americans to be racist, its just impossible to call them out on it without being labeled 'intolerant' by the general public. Its a double standard, plain and simple. Jessie Jackson called the Jews 'himes', meanwhile he is preforming, essentially, corporate extortion with his platform of 'anti-racism'. Why am I not allowed to call a black person out if he calls me a cracker?
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    African Americans can't be racists because they don't have any power.
    I dare any sunofabitch to test that theory in Harlem. Leftists are black ass kissers.
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    I have Sirius, what host was it that said it?
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    I have Sirius, what host was it that said it?
    I second that. I want to go search a stream of this out.
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    Anyone who says blacks (or anyone else for that matter) can't be racist is a complete idiot. Can't state it any simpler than that.
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    Last week I was talkin to this black guy at the mailbox in front of my building, and our brief conversation turned to George Bush. The guy said to me "That's your boy right? You voted for him!" I'm not even registered to vote. Anyway, I was kind of offended by his comment, because he just assumed he knew all about whitey.

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    Morons come in all colors:

    I am a white american ... my best friend is a black Jamaican. My family spent Xmas with his in his small village in Jamaica. I had never been the only white guy (family ... wife +2 kids) in a town. I live in a hick town in W Mass ... I've brought my friend (Winston) out arond here, and there's always a couple of jerks ... usually 2 incidents per bar (not physical ... but cut in line, rude comment, etc). Winston goes to GREAT lengths to avoid confrontation.

    During our vaca ... we partied at an outdoor event with about 25,000 Jamaicans ... I think i saw one other white dude ... not positive though. In the course of the whole night, there were 3 incidents that I would compare to the stuff Winston puts up with in US.

    1. A dude elbowed me in the ribs pretty good ... he had been giving me dirty looks earlier.

    2. I wasn't allowed to pass through a small opening in the crowd to catch up w/ my wife.

    3. I wasn't allowed to eat dinner in the same area as everyone else ... (dude was kinda messing w/ me ... I think ... but he was serious about me moving).

    WAY WAY WAY more people were SUPER friendly, generous, and eager to hang out with 'whitey' (as I was openly referred to ... and not offended by in the least) and usually offered to get my drinks and generally see to my family's well being.

    All in all, I think there are equal # of rude, biggotted jerks among white or black populations, but in my experience ... there were way more friendly black people to a white visitor than vice-versa.

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    Yes it is true, when white people in a sucessful place see balck people they feel predjudice and want the black person removed. This often happens the same in black areas that are populated with white minorities in succesful areas. I think the idea is that the minority in the 'rich' area - the urbanised place - that they don't belong there, as this place is great because of the majority, and the minority is just a leach, but that is all conscious speculation.

    What happens in the subconscious? Why do people become racist naturally? Is it culture, or something else? People feel discomfort because of the person who forms a minority. In a black area, white people can become conditioned to being around balck people, vice versa, but let it be a socail occasion, and then you get racism. Why is that? It is when all people are trying to look good I suppose, as being social means trying to flaunt yourself as a popular person, so as soon as a person comes along that you think is inherently unpopular, you treat them as a unpopular person, for the sake of making yourslef 'fit it', but by that same token, others will feel that being with that personwill make them fit in more, so approach them and be friendly. This owes to the person's subconscious too, as it affects what we feel, rather than what we can choose - you can't choose to feel uncomfortable.

    So we are left with the subconscious of people feeling discomfort because of fitting in, survival if you like. The mind deducts to be part of a majority means that one will survive more easily, so becomes hostile towards those that don't fit in, thinking it a good idea if they 'went missing'. This is why people join the clan, as their subconscious survival instinct is so fragile that they feel so much fear and want to get rid of the black people as quickly as possible.

    So we are left with, once again, survival instinct. The tougher the person is mentally the less fear they will feel, and the more accepted they feel by the majority, the less threatened they feel. That is where popular people are more inclined to feel natural around minrities, the more at ease the mind feels socailly the more it will welcome those that aren't of the same colour. Think of wise old men in the ages gone by, they were popular because of their wisdom, and so inherently felt more at ease with those of other colours. Then people try to copy them, those are the fakers. I guess I am a bit of a faker too though, but nobody complains!
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    I have Sirius, what host was it that said it?
    Mark Thompson. If you want to read my take on the affair the link to my column provides that.
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    Last week I was talkin to this black guy at the mailbox in front of my building, and our brief conversation turned to George Bush. The guy said to me "That's your boy right? You voted for him!" I'm not even registered to vote. Anyway, I was kind of offended by his comment, because he just assumed he knew all about whitey.

    "Boy???'

    Now I wasn't there, so I can't even attempt to ascertain intent... besides I usually feel such attempts are self serving at best. But what's amazing here is I'm pretty damn sure he'd be offended if you used "boy" when referring to Barack. Hell, some seem to claim that the usage of "kid" is the same damn thing.

    Much of this strikes me as a power play using a, "We can say any damn thing we want, but criticize us and we'll spin what you say into racism," tactic.

    One of the phrases used during the show was, "That's a 'code word.' for..." Anyone has a right to speculate such things no matter how divise they are, but would still only be assumptions. No one should be held responsible for unproven assumptions made up in someone else's head... especially when they seem quite politically convenient.
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    Morons come in all colors:

    I am a white american ... my best friend is a black Jamaican. My family spent Xmas with his in his small village in Jamaica. I had never been the only white guy (family ... wife +2 kids) in a town. I live in a hick town in W Mass ... I've brought my friend (Winston) out arond here, and there's always a couple of jerks ... usually 2 incidents per bar (not physical ... but cut in line, rude comment, etc). Winston goes to GREAT lengths to avoid confrontation.

    During our vaca ... we partied at an outdoor event with about 25,000 Jamaicans ... I think i saw one other white dude ... not positive though. In the course of the whole night, there were 3 incidents that I would compare to the stuff Winston puts up with in US.

    1. A dude elbowed me in the ribs pretty good ... he had been giving me dirty looks earlier.

    2. I wasn't allowed to pass through a small opening in the crowd to catch up w/ my wife.

    3. I wasn't allowed to eat dinner in the same area as everyone else ... (dude was kinda messing w/ me ... I think ... but he was serious about me moving).

    WAY WAY WAY more people were SUPER friendly, generous, and eager to hang out with 'whitey' (as I was openly referred to ... and not offended by in the least) and usually offered to get my drinks and generally see to my family's well being.

    All in all, I think there are equal # of rude, biggotted jerks among white or black populations, but in my experience ... there were way more friendly black people to a white visitor than vice-versa.

    That has, generally, been my experience too... re: the last comment. Living in the South... well, it's gotten better but I would much rather go to an almost all African American "pub" than a white redneck one. I've performed at African American street fairs and felt very much at home: much more so than a few more white oriented ones I've performed at. The few times I've accidently stepped in a redneck "pub" with hair that's sightly over my collar... well, I stepped right back out. If I found one of these places that had an African American rather than a deer head I wouldn't be surprised... shocked, horrified, angry, outraged, sick, vomitous, furious... yes... surprised: hell no.


    I go through West Mass every year on tour: Becket, Pittsfield and such. Beautiful place. Reminds me of where I grew up.
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    you don't need anything, including power, to be racist.
    racism is a thought process, belief, and state of mind.

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    you don't need anything, including power, to be racist.
    racism is a thought process, belief, and state of mind.

    Agreed.
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    Quote Quote by: Derach View Post
    Morons come in all colors:

    I am a white american ... my best friend is a black Jamaican. My family spent Xmas with his in his small village in Jamaica. I had never been the only white guy (family ... wife +2 kids) in a town. I live in a hick town in W Mass ... I've brought my friend (Winston) out arond here, and there's always a couple of jerks ... usually 2 incidents per bar (not physical ... but cut in line, rude comment, etc). Winston goes to GREAT lengths to avoid confrontation.

    During our vaca ... we partied at an outdoor event with about 25,000 Jamaicans ... I think i saw one other white dude ... not positive though. In the course of the whole night, there were 3 incidents that I would compare to the stuff Winston puts up with in US.

    1. A dude elbowed me in the ribs pretty good ... he had been giving me dirty looks earlier.

    2. I wasn't allowed to pass through a small opening in the crowd to catch up w/ my wife.

    3. I wasn't allowed to eat dinner in the same area as everyone else ... (dude was kinda messing w/ me ... I think ... but he was serious about me moving).

    WAY WAY WAY more people were SUPER friendly, generous, and eager to hang out with 'whitey' (as I was openly referred to ... and not offended by in the least) and usually offered to get my drinks and generally see to my family's well being.

    All in all, I think there are equal # of rude, biggotted jerks among white or black populations, but in my experience ... there were way more friendly black people to a white visitor than vice-versa.
    I think perhaps it was more related to the novelty. In the U.S., most white people are used to black people. They speak the same language as us and have most of the same idioms. There were quite a few black people in my school growing up and one's race rarely merited attention by either side. The big black girls liked to terrorize the white girls sometimes, but that was about it. Then one day, we got a Chinese foreign exchange student. That was the first Chinese person most people in our little redneck town had seen. He spoke broken English and didn't understand most of our culture. Everyone was super-nice to him because he was a novelty. Many of the girls just loved helping him understand things like pep rallies and football.

    With your experience, I would hazard to guess that it was more about your novelty than strictly about your race.

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    you don't need anything, including power, to be racist.
    racism is a thought process, belief, and state of mind.
    Firstly of all, race or racism logical meaning is to compete or competition. White people are leading and winning in that competition of racism with white supremacy.

    People who believe in white supremacy are evil and their actions are not justified. White people that are in a powerful position with a racist mindset, discriminate the darker races unjustly for their prejudice and bias reasons.

    Black people are in a servitude position, and they don’t have the authority or power to control white supremacy, and neither do they control the government.

    Therefore it’s nonsense to say blacks are equally racists in comparison to white racists, especially when they are under white supremacy power structure. However, when blacks say negative things about whites, or do negative to poor whites, it’s because they experience discrimination from white supremacy. There’s a BIG different between white racists and what white people feel is black racists, because it’s their misunderstanding to attempt to justify white supremacy.

    I think the fair question in white people mind is it justify for blacks to be a racist toward white supremacy?

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    The US constitution(Amendmens XIII and XIV) provides for equality under the law. It wasn't til' the do gooders created victim classes and attempted to identify racial characteristics as the dividing line that enmity developed. Affirmative Action, Set Asides, lowered University entrance requirements, special allowances for illegals and the like separate us and lead to disputes? Wouldn't it be better if we dropped the labels and unequal help and just refer to each citizen as an American rather than a black, hispanic or other Americam?
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    Firstly of all, race or racism logical meaning is to compete or competition. White people are leading and winning in that competition of racism with white supremacy.
    Since when are people competing with each other to see who is more racist?
    People who believe in white supremacy are evil and their actions are not justified. White people that are in a powerful position with a racist mindset, discriminate the darker races unjustly for their prejudice and bias reasons.
    I would say misguided rather than evil, but I agree.

    Black people are in a servitude position, and they don’t have the authority or power to control white supremacy, and neither do they control the government.
    I suppose you've never heard of Jessie Jackson or Barack Obama?

    Therefore it’s nonsense to say blacks are equally racists in comparison to white racists, especially when they are under white supremacy power structure.
    Ever heard of the Black Panthers? Malcom X? Kill whitey?

    However, when blacks say negative things about whites, or do negative to poor whites, it’s because they experience discrimination from white supremacy. There’s a BIG different between white racists and what white people feel is black racists, because it’s their misunderstanding to attempt to justify white supremacy.
    Its a bit unclear what you're trying to say here, but if what you meant was "White people confuse black racism with their reaction to white supremecy", then your far from the truth. Granted, black people might be more prone to lash out at whites because of years of repression, but there is a difference between words spoken in anger and outright racism. Its the difference between an african american saying "Damn whitey" after a white man was picked instead of them for a job; and a white person trying to talk to a black person on the street and the black person saying "You don't talk to me, cracker."
    I think the fair question in white people mind is it justify for blacks to be a racist toward white supremacy?
    Every white person is not a member of the KKK. I don't have any illusions in my mind that I am somehow better than another person because of the color of my skin. Racism is general hate of a race of people, its not selective, theres no "I hate black people, except for A, B, and C, they're ok." And it damn sure isn't a competition.
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    Indeed. I have been around a lot of Southern folk and I don't know that I've ever met a white supremacist. Frankly, it sounds like someone's paranoid fantasy to me. I know they exist...I just haven't found any.

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    Quote Quote by: freedom13 View Post
    Firstly of all, race or racism logical meaning is to compete or competition. White people are leading and winning in that competition of racism with white supremacy.

    People who believe in white supremacy are evil and their actions are not justified. White people that are in a powerful position with a racist mindset, discriminate the darker races unjustly for their prejudice and bias reasons.

    Black people are in a servitude position, and they don’t have the authority or power to control white supremacy, and neither do they control the government.

    Therefore it’s nonsense to say blacks are equally racists in comparison to white racists, especially when they are under white supremacy power structure. However, when blacks say negative things about whites, or do negative to poor whites, it’s because they experience discrimination from white supremacy. There’s a BIG different between white racists and what white people feel is black racists, because it’s their misunderstanding to attempt to justify white supremacy.

    I think the fair question in white people mind is it justify for blacks to be a racist toward white supremacy?
    "Firstly of all, race or racism logical meaning is to compete or competition."
    That sentence literally makes no sense, unless you are confusing "race" as in "to race." Different word, same spelling. (That happens a lot in English.)

    Are White folks more guilty of, and more capable to enforce, racism? Most likely as to "more," and absolutely as to "capable." That of course doesn't change whether African Americans can be racists.

    "People who believe in white supremacy are evil and their actions are not justified. White people that are in a powerful position with a racist mindset, discriminate the darker races unjustly for their prejudice and bias reasons."
    Over generalization, IMO. Some are evil. Some are ignorant, or so damn stuck in their ways nothing is going to change them... but because of these factors they often can do evil acts, say evil things. One need not be basically evil to do or say evil.


    Black people are in a servitude position, and they don’t have the authority or power to control white supremacy, and neither do they control the government.
    Once again: over generalization. I would agree "most." In fact I would say probably above 90%. But Barack, for instance, is not "in a servitude position." This para, unfortunately, reminds me of a rather bigotted and ignorant relative who keeps making claims about "all" African Americans. I'm always suspicious when such vast generalizations are made.

    Therefore it’s nonsense to say blacks are equally racists in comparison to white racists, especially when they are under white supremacy power structure. However, when blacks say negative things about whites, or do negative to poor whites, it’s because they experience discrimination from white supremacy. There’s a BIG different between white racists and what white people feel is black racists, because it’s their misunderstanding to attempt to justify white supremacy.
    Personally, I would never claim "equal," or "equal in comparison to." But there's quite a distance between "equal" and "can be." Also, once again, you've made a vast generalization about all Blacks who say or do negative things. You don't know that. Plus, it doesn't make much sense. Are you claiming Blacks have some superior genetic propensity towards not doing and saying negative things because, sometimes, they are bigots, racists, or just plain jackasses? Would such a claim feed back into the definition of the kind of racist who thinks they are genetically superior? Careful, you're weaving a web of rhetoric here that you yourself may fall victim to.

    "There’s a BIG different between white racists and what white people feel is (are) black racists, because it’s their misunderstanding to attempt to justify white supremacy."

    Oh, my, so now I'm a supporter of white supremacy because I feel some Blacks may be racists? There is nothing "supreme" about white except they, overall in this country, have had so much power to the exclusion of others for too damn long. If stating that makes me an advocate of "white supremacy" then you have an odd defintion of white supremacy... which might be, "Anyone who disagrees with my take on this is a racist?"

    I think the fair question in white people mind is it justify for blacks to be a racist toward white supremacy?

    You hate white supremacy.

    I hate white supremacy.

    Being "racist" toward "white supremacy" is nonsense, just like "being a fascist towards Nazis." And, one excuses the other? Don't think so.
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