FBI wants instant access to British identity data

[Arawn-ap-Hywel]

FBI wants instant access to British identity data | Special reports | Guardian Unlimited

Senior British police officials are talking to the FBI about an international database to hunt for major criminals and terrorists. The US-initiated programme, "Server in the Sky", would take cooperation between the police forces way beyond the current faxing of fingerprints across the Atlantic. Allies in the "war against terror" - the US, UK, Australia, Canada and New Zealand - have formed a working group, the International Information Consortium, to plan their strategy. Biometric measurements, irises or palm prints as well as fingerprints, and other personal information are likely to be exchanged across the network. One section will feature the world's most wanted suspects. The database could hold details of millions of criminals and suspects. The FBI is keen for the police forces of American allies to sign up to improve international security. The Home Office yesterday confirmed it was aware of Server in the Sky, as did the Metropolitan police.

Human rights erode as the fear grips our authorities

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Arawn-ap-Hywel FBI wants instant access to British identity data | Special reports | Guardian Unlimited Human rights erode as the fear grips our authorities

That's really what it comes down to. Oh, they might try to sell it to the sheeple as making the sheeple safer but it's really just another way of government stealing people's liberties.

[Dieval]

Quote by: Arawn-ap-Hywel FBI wants instant access to British identity data | Special reports | Guardian Unlimited Human rights erode as the fear grips our authorities

"Human rights"? Since when is it a violation of "Human rights" to track down criminals?

God forbid a government try to protect it's people...

[simple simon]

it makes me laugh when 'innocent' people care so much about such things

if youre doing nothing wrong just what is it youre so afraid they will find out ?

hell they can listen in on my phone calls all they like if they want to

[Chancellor]

Quote by: simple simon it makes me laugh when 'innocent' people care so much about such things if youre doing nothing wrong just what is it youre so afraid they will find out ? hell they can listen in on my phone calls all they like if they want to

"Nothing wrong" depends on who is defining "wrong." Government cannot be trusted and with every little bit of liberty you're stupidly willing to sacrifice for some false sense of security, the government takes even more until you have no liberty at all.

[simple simon]

Quote by: Chancellor "Nothing wrong" depends on who is defining "wrong." Government cannot be trusted and with every little bit of liberty you're stupidly willing to sacrifice for some false sense of security, the government takes even more until you have no liberty at all.

ah and once again the NWO rears it's ugly head eh ?

just when is the planned NWO supposed to happen anyway ?

[Chancellor]

Quote by: simple simon ah and once again the NWO rears it's ugly head eh ? just when is the planned NWO supposed to happen anyway ?

Ask George Bush, Sr. since he referred to it frequently during his presidency.

[simple simon]

Quote by: Chancellor Ask George Bush, Sr. since he referred to it frequently during his presidency.

well i cant ask him obviously .... and since you seem to be a believer i thought i would ask you

[Chancellor]

Quote by: simple simon well i cant ask him obviously .... and since you seem to be a believer i thought i would ask you

According to George Bush, Sr., we're already in the new world order.

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Chancellor "Nothing wrong" depends on who is defining "wrong." Government cannot be trusted and with every little bit of liberty you're stupidly willing to sacrifice for some false sense of security, the government takes even more until you have no liberty at all.

Lame. So basically we should accept crime and just say protecting personal liberty is worth more. Lets jump back in time while were at it and remove any fingerprint databases, DNA databases and just arm all citizens with guns. If you get shot its your own damn fault.

People from britain seem to love cameras and feel safer, people also feel safer in a society where guns are removed from private hands. But I guess their all stupid because they should be more worried about a government world order takeover than any street crime....

Can you say conspiracy nuts...

[Matt W]

More to the point, do the people of the UK want their data given to the US? 9 times out of 10, it's a resounding NO.

Democracy in action...

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Matt W More to the point, do the people of the UK want their data given to the US? 9 times out of 10, it's a resounding NO. Democracy in action...

And why should they? What right does the United States have to demand access to another country's data?

[Chancellor]

Quote by: HelioPrime Lame. So basically we should accept crime and just say protecting personal liberty is worth more. Lets jump back in time while were at it and remove any fingerprint databases, DNA databases and just arm all citizens with guns. If you get shot its your own damn fault. People from britain seem to love cameras and feel safer, people also feel safer in a society where guns are removed from private hands. But I guess their all stupid because they should be more worried about a government world order takeover than any street crime.... Can you say conspiracy nuts...

So he says as we move closer and closer to a one-world government.

[simple simon]

Quote by: Chancellor And why should they? What right does the United States have to demand access to another country's data?

im reading the OP and i dont see anywhere that the US demanded anything

[Chancellor]

Quote by: simple simon im reading the OP and i dont see anywhere that the US demanded anything

Considering that the United States is the lone superpower and believes itself to be superior to all other nations, take any request that it makes to be the same as a demand.

[Dunfunkin']

In principle, this notion does not worry me. If it makes life more difficult for the Terrs, that's just bully.

In practice, the HM Govt and its bureaucracies are brimming with incompetant bufoons who have lately been making a habit of mislaying confidential personal data entrusted to them. The National Health Service, the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency and HM Revenue & Customs have all been in the news within the last 2 months because of data loss (in the case of the latter department, 25 million taxpayers details on 2 CDROMS lost by a courier. They have yet to be located).

Personally, I wouldn't trust them not to hand the info over to Al Qaeda in mistake for Al Gore.

[Dieval]

Quote by: Matt W More to the point, do the people of the UK want their data given to the US? 9 times out of 10, it's a resounding NO. Democracy in action...

So, what you're saying is that 1 in 10 criminals(and suspects) want their information given to the US?

Of course criminals and suspects don't want their information transferred so they can be caught...

[Matt W]

Quote by: Dieval So, what you're saying is that 1 in 10 criminals(and suspects) want their information given to the US? Of course criminals and suspects don't want their information transferred so they can be caught...

No, I'm saying that the average citizen of the UK - regardless of whether they're criminals or not - doesn't want the US to have ANY data on them, thank you very much.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Dunfunkin' In principle, this notion does not worry me. If it makes life more difficult for the Terrs, that's just bully. In practice, the HM Govt and its bureaucracies are brimming with incompetant bufoons who have lately been making a habit of mislaying confidential personal data entrusted to them. The National Health Service, the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency and HM Revenue & Customs have all been in the news within the last 2 months because of data loss (in the case of the latter department, 25 million taxpayers details on 2 CDROMS lost by a courier. They have yet to be located). Personally, I wouldn't trust them not to hand the info over to Al Qaeda in mistake for Al Gore.

The principle of it gives me far more pause than the mere practice. It's about government intrusion into the lives of individual citizens and, thereby, the erosion of liberty.

[Wolfgang]

I do not see this as an issue as long as it goes both ways.
The USA could get info from its ally, as long as UK could get it from USA, and of coarse all the other countries involved etc.
~wolfgang~