"Bridgewater considering ban on smoking on sidewalks, in cars"

[Praxius]

Ok, now this is just getting retarded. I know this is not a major news source, but it's local to where I live and is in reference to a local proposal which goes above and beyond anything I can tolerate when it comes to anti-smoking.

I originally posted this article about no longer being able to smoke in your own car with a minor inside:

N.S. bylaw will ban smoking in cars with kids

This was approved, passed and will be in place this summer.

In addition to the above link, this occured today:

Ban smoking in cars with children: Ontario doctors

But I'm not making this thread about these two topics, but rather this, which I feel most will find interesting:

Bridgewater, N.S., considering ban on smoking on sidewalks, in cars
The Amherst Daily News, Nova Scotia: News | Bridgewater, N.S., considering ban on smoking on sidewalks, in cars

BRIDGEWATER, N.S. — Bridgewater is considering a law that would make it illegal to smoke in any public place in town except for on the two bridges. That’s because the bridges are owned by the province and the bylaw would apply only to town-owned property. If the bylaw is approved, people won’t be allowed to smoke while walking on the sidewalk or driving in a car. Kevin Marlin, the town councillor who proposed the bylaw, say it would be toughest anti-smoking law in Canada if it’s passed. But he may have a tough time getting it past first reading. The motion to have staff draft a bylaw for first reading was passed by a vote of 3-2 with a couple of councillors missing. Mayor Carroll Publicover is one of the two who voted against it. ‘‘I think it’s an unreasonable restriction on those who smoke,’’ he said. For starters, he said, with 66 kilometres of streets and 34 kilometres of sidewalks in Bridgewater, it just won’t be enforceable. ‘‘I think it’s a prohibition that’s just too widespread,’’ he said.

Yeah.... GOING WAY TOO FAR PERHAPS?!

Frig why don't they just criminalize smoking and be done with it, cripes... like what's the point to all this? You can't smoke inside, a resturant, a bar where you used to go and smoke/drink, you can't smoke in a bus shelter, you can't smoke on a patio, you can't smoke within 10 feet of an entraceway or ventilation of a building, you can not smoke inside a company owned car with additional occupants..... I think they passed the law where you can't even smoke on your company's property.

Now you can't smoke in your own car with minors in them, and now they're trying to basically say you can't smoke anywhere besides inside your own home.

Oh, but if you rent an apartment, depending on their rules, you may not even be able to smoke there.

So basically they are making smoking legal to buy and posses, but illegal to actually use.

WTF?

[Praxius]

Bah ffs:

Title:

"Bridgewater considering ban on smoking on sidewalks, in cars"

[Osborn F Enready]

As was said before.... welcome to the police state, brought to you by the global power consortium.

[shrike]

Why should I breath your poison?If you want to poison yourself fine by me.But why should I suffer?

[Praxius]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready As was said before.... welcome to the police state, brought to you by the global power consortium.

Well also in the article, they said it doesn't have much of a chance at passing, unlike the vehicle ban. There are too many issues they literally can not cover to make it enforcable or practical.

But also on the flip side, I was expecting someone to eventually pull this sort of stunt sometime, somewhere to see just how far they can push this topic. I have a funny feeling this maybe the first upcoming victory for smokers and their rights..... so long as these other councillor twits show up to vote it down and do their job.

If they don't show up and they take the vote as a victory without all votes, sh*t shall fly.

[Praxius]

Quote by: shrike Why should I breath your poison?If you want to poison yourself fine by me.But why should I suffer?

Are you going to be 3 inches from my face when I smoke?

Are you going to walk along with me to my destination sucking all the air around me as I go?

Nope. It is not an enclosed area, with continual airflow, and heat rises, therefore the actual chances of you inhaling any considderable amount of 2nd hand smoke from me is absolutely remote in comparison to inside a building or other enclosed space, where it can linger in the air.

You can either keep your distance, hold your breath for 2 seconds as I walk by, or walk along the other sidewalk if it bothers you that much.

Where I live, you now have every reasonable facility and location free from smoking.... smoking is still considdered legal, and until they change that, I have every damn right to smoke outside in the fresh air if I so wish to do so.

Those town streets and sidewalks are also paid for by my own taxes, just as much as the next person......

.... correction.... with the sky rocket in taxes on smokes here, the government get's more tax money from me, therefore I have more right to decide what occurs on those sidewalks and streets then a non-smoker.

[shrike]

Quote by: prax Are you going to be 3 inches from my face when I smoke?

You can breath smoke even when you several meters away.

Are you going to walk along with me to my destination sucking all the air around me as I go?

No but if you standing on same bus station with me I have no other choice but to breath your smoke.

You can either keep your distance, hold your breath for 2 seconds as I walk by, or walk along the other sidewalk if it bothers you that much

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Why should I change my behavior because you want to poison yourself?

I have every damn right to smoke outside in the fresh air if I so wish to do so.

No because you smoking cause pollution that endanger my planet.

Those town streets and sidewalks are also paid for by my own taxes, just as much as the next person......

But you don't have to throw garbage in middle of the street.

.... correction.... with the sky rocket in taxes on smokes here,

The taxes are used to correct all damage you coursed with your smoking. And I think the taxes are too low. Smokers should pay for every person that gets a lung cancer because of the passive smoking and definitely government shouldn't give you any money or treatment if you get one.

[another day]

It will take nothing more then all the smoking citizens of that town to get together and organize a "smoking parade" through the streets... The lawmakers will see it is unreasonable and uninforcable.

[Praxius]

Quote by: shrike You can breath smoke even when you several meters away.

Then I suggest you start fighting for vehicles being banned from operating within town limits while you're at it, cuz you inhale a lot more from them then you do from a smoker and contains much more poisons for your body.

No but if you standing on same bus station with me I have no other choice but to breath your smoke.

I stand by several people waiting for the bus as I smoke and have no complaints as what you describe. I keep a decent distance from them, and I stay out of the shelter while I smoke.
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Why should I change my behavior because you want to poison yourself?

Why should I change my behavior because you don't and it's my legal right to smoke in the first place?

No because you smoking cause pollution that endanger my planet.

Sorry, this planet isn't anymore your's as it is mine... and if you're worried about my little smoke here and there killing all the little pandas, then you best go and shove a cork into all the volcanos around the world, because the ammount of sulfur and other dangerous chemicals being spewed out of those everyday must be taking us to the brink of the planet cracking in half from all their pollution

But you don't have to throw garbage in middle of the street.

And I don't. There are desingated butt stops all over the city specifically for putting your butts into and to avoid littering. It'd be a waste of tax dollars if you're no longer allowed to smoke in public, as they'd all goto waste.

The taxes are used to correct all damage you coursed with your smoking. And I think the taxes are too low. Smokers should pay for every person that gets a lung cancer because of the passive smoking and definitely government shouldn't give you any money or treatment if you get one.

ha ha.... that'd be a pile of fun cases to attempt to prove in court.... you know.... trying to relate without a reasonble doubt that all your poor health issues in your life are attributed to one smoker, and therefore that one smoker looses all their medical rights?

Might as well do the same thing for all those fat asses out there who can't stop eating for 5 minutes, or all those AID's patients.... cuz you know... it's all their fault they're the way they are.

How about instead of that, we make it so that when anybody ever requires medical treatment for anything, they have to prove to the doctors that they met a very stiff regulation that they met all their requirements for making sure they have the healthiest lives possible, and if not, refuse them treatment, because it's a waste of money.

Chances are, you'd be refused treatment for not being smart and staying away from smokers in the first place that gave you your health issues.

Might as well make drinking illegal once again.... cuz you know, that went over so well the last time.

Shall I also have to be responsible for the health effects my shits or farts cause when you are nearby and inhale the stink into your lungs? Damn that methane.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to fart and head out for a smoke break

[Osborn F Enready]

Remember people, shrike is in Israel, which has a far different outlook on individual rights.

[The Bacon Guy]

More statism, more persecution, and more and more people willing to accept it.

Quote by: Shirke No because you smoking cause pollution that endanger my planet.

There's no evidence that passive smoking is harmful in an open area. If it's simply a matter of you disliking the smoking, then tough shit. I don't like seeing fat people waddling along the street, but that doesn't give me the right to confine them to their homes.

Quote by: Shirke The taxes are used to correct all damage you coursed with your smoking. And I think the taxes are too low. Smokers should pay for every person that gets a lung cancer because of the passive smoking

In the places where data is available, it's clear that they already do, plus quite a lot more.

[shrike]

Quote by: prax Then I suggest you start fighting for vehicles being banned from operating within town limits while you're at it, cuz you inhale a lot more from them then you do from a smoker and contains much more poisons for your body.

The transportation is necessary evil the smoking is just evil.

I stand by several people waiting for the bus as I smoke and have no complaints as what you describe. I keep a decent distance from them, and I stay out of the shelter while I smoke

The people probably are too shy to say something anyway we not talking about you how can we be sure that every smoker will be considerate as you?

Why should I change my behavior because you don't and it's my legal right to smoke in the first place?

That the problem that it’s legal. I argue it shouldn't be because in that way you hurt my individual rights by smoking and endangering my health.

Sorry, this planet isn't anymore your's as it is mine... and if you're worried about my little smoke here and there killing all the little pandas, then you best go and shove a cork into all the volcanos around the world, because the ammount of sulfur and other dangerous chemicals being spewed out of those everyday must be taking us to the brink of the planet cracking in half from all their pollution

Two wrongs don't make it right. We should illuminate the sources of the pollution that we can.

And I don't. There are desingated butt stops all over the city specifically for putting your butts into and to avoid littering. It'd be a waste of tax dollars if you're no longer allowed to smoke in public, as they'd all goto waste.

You didn't answer my point that you can not do anything that you like in a street just because you pay taxes.

ha ha.... that'd be a pile of fun cases to attempt to prove in court.... you know.... trying to relate without a reasonble doubt that all your poor health issues in your life are attributed to one smoker, and therefore that one smoker looses all their medical rights? Might as well do the same thing for all those fat asses out there who can't stop eating for 5 minutes, or all those AID's patients.... cuz you know... it's all their fault they're the way they are. How about instead of that, we make it so that when anybody ever requires medical treatment for anything, they have to prove to the doctors that they met a very stiff regulation that they met all their requirements for making sure they have the healthiest lives possible, and if not, refuse them treatment, because it's a waste of money. Chances are, you'd be refused treatment for not being smart and staying away from smokers in the first place that gave you your health issues. Might as well make drinking illegal once again.... cuz you know, that went over so well the last time. Shall I also have to be responsible for the health effects my shits or farts cause when you are nearby and inhale the stink into your lungs? Damn that methane.

That my opinion how smokers should be treated because it feel that is a right way.

Quote by: osborn Remember people, shrike is in Israel, which has a far different outlook on individual rights

I don't know what about other Israelis but I think my individual rights are violated if someone is smoking near me without my approval.

[Osborn F Enready]

Shrike said: I don't know what about other Israelis but I think my individual rights are violated if someone is smoking near me without my approval.

What is Israels legal view on individual rights?

[shrike]

What is Israels legal view on individual rights?

Legal do you mean law?
There is Basic Law Human Dignity and Liberty
Basic Law: Human Dignity and Liberty

[The Bacon Guy]

Shirke, would you mind responding to my post? I don't normally badger, but you've repeated some of the assertions which my post challenges.

[shrike]

Quote by: The Bacon Guy There's no evidence that passive smoking is harmful in an open area. .

I gave already an example with a bus station or there is even a better example is when you standing in the line for something and you can’t get out because you would loose you place in the line.

[The Bacon Guy]

A bus station is enclosed.

As for standing in line, I never said you could escape from the smoke; I simply said that there's no evidence that it is a risk to your health.

[Praxius]

Quote by: shrike The transportation is necessary evil the smoking is just evil.

I don't see tobacco rounding people up to the gas chambers anymore then I see cars doing this. If smoking is that evil, then so are many other things we eat, drink and do everyday of our lives, and can affect those around us.

People who get drunk and go driving pose an even greater risk to my health then the guy walking down the street minding his own business as he smokes.

The people probably are too shy to say something anyway we not talking about you how can we be sure that every smoker will be considerate as you?

They have no right to tell me otherwise.... they can hate it all they want, they have no right to tell me what I can or can not do.

And although I believe everybody should be as perfect as myself, I don't think the government has the right to step in and force everyone to be perfect as me.... the world can only handle one perfect Praxius at a time

That the problem that it’s legal. I argue it shouldn't be because in that way you hurt my individual rights by smoking and endangering my health.

If you lived with me for a period of time and you began to have health effect from it, then you may have a case.... but you don't have the right to force your way of life in the 5 seconds you encounter me as I walk by smoking..... I hardly believe that 5 seconds is going to change your entire life.... if it is, then I recomend living in the woods somewhere.

You didn't answer my point that you can not do anything that you like in a street just because you pay taxes.

My taxes pay for me to be able to do what is permitted by law.... currently it is legal for me to smoke tobacco, and I feel I have the right to smoke my legal substance as I see fit.

I don't know what about other Israelis but I think my individual rights are violated if someone is smoking near me without my approval.

well there are a few here in Canada who feel the same way, but overall the majority of the population, including non-smokers here believe the laws are becoming a bit insane.

It's sorta funny though..... the more people fight for the legalization of Marijuana and it's going through, the more restrictions there are placed on tobacco.

[grandpa]

Well, the cigarette industry is evil, for lack of a better word. When their goals are to profit off of people getting lung cancer, it's hardly good.

That being said, I am not in favor of laws punishing smokers. That's not a solution. Just don't smoke.
If you have serious trouble quitting smoking (or any other addiction), find a support group of some kind.

Grandpa h.

[Bailey Faye]

Quote by: grandpa Well, the cigarette industry is evil, for lack of a better word. When their goals are to profit off of people getting lung cancer, it's hardly good. That being said, I am not in favor of laws punishing smokers. That's not a solution. Just don't smoke. If you have serious trouble quitting smoking (or any other addiction), find a support group of some kind. Grandpa h.

The "industry is evil"??? Every company is in business to make a profit. The intention of the tobacco industry is not to profit off of people getting lung cancer, it is just to profit, as with any other company in the world. The industry is simply providing a product that is in fairly high demand and is legal to sell, distribute and use. It is very possible that people don't want to quit smoking. I smoke socially. I don't smoke all the time, but I do when I drink and am out with friends. I have no desire to quit nor find a support group. If I want to stop smoking that is my choice and you nor anyone else has the right to tell me otherwise.