Communist Illegals?

[weasel]

I've been reading the Communist Manifesto lately (out of personal interest, not out of a secret desire to overthrow civilization) and I came up with a blasphemous, but potentially stupid, question to ask you guys:

What if, by some miracle, all the illegal immigrants in the U.S. organized themselves into a communist framework and openly rebelled against American society?

I ask this because, going through the angry writings of Karl Marx, I can see how illegals could find his points to be very appealing: how it's the rich elite that oppresses the working people. And this directly applies to them: they're in an economic form of slavery, doing the jobs nobody else wants to do.

So what if they followed the words of Marx and, somehow, united under a pseudo-sickle-and-hammer flag to overthrow the evil capitalists? Could this sort of thing be possible at all?

[Bailey Faye]

I would think in some countries this could be possible. I don't believe in the United States that the % of illegals we have in this country, could come up with the number and the organization to achieve much of anything. This theory, however, is more reason than ever to secure our borders to prevent illegal immigrants from entering our country. We also need to work on making sure the illegal immigrants that are here are deported or go through the proper channels to become legalized. If they do not want to support the US, then it does not do the country a service to keep them here.

[weasel]

Agreed. However, I think it would be a mistake to underestimate these people. True, it would be very unlikely that millions of illegals would band together and revolt. However, the possibility remains and that's what has me concerned.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Bailey Faye I would think in some countries this could be possible. I don't believe in the United States that the % of illegals we have in this country, could come up with the number and the organization to achieve much of anything. This theory, however, is more reason than ever to secure our borders to prevent illegal immigrants from entering our country. We also need to work on making sure the illegal immigrants that are here are deported or go through the proper channels to become legalized. If they do not want to support the US, then it does not do the country a service to keep them here.

I disagree. I think assumes that only the "illegals" desire to take over the government. Plenty of other subversives are willing to participate, and finance such an endevour. With Liberal financiers like George Soros waiting in the wings for any opportunity to undermine the constition, I doubt there would be any difficulty coming up with the funds, or a plan.


Many would tell you this is what is happening now, right under your noses.

[tinybear]

I should've thought many illegals enter the USA to escape from communism.

[SoylentGreen]

Revolution is fuelled by the petit bourgeoisie and the disaffected
haute bourgeoisie. The proletariat such as your illegals are used by them as cannon fodder for the revolution.
Your real fear should be of the legal middle class revolutionist who would attempt to organise an otherwise disorganised and disfranchised group of people

[Winter wind]

The reason revolution is unlikely is because in America, there is a fair election and representation system. It's not like the government doesn't like them, it's that they can't get the votes to change anything.

[Whatssnew]

America is wealthy, fat, fat, and comfortable. Manny of the illegal immegrants don't have a problem with the wages becuase it is far more than they would ever make back in Mexico. Manny people come here on work visas cause then they can go home latter and live it up. Revolution occers when you have extreem circumstances. Over population, starvation, strongly regulated rights, slavery, political upheval, ex... Nothing in America is extreem.

[Real Thing 2007]

Hmmm...shades of Haymarket paranoia? There was a lot of popular suspicion concerning foreign-born "communists" & "anarchists" back then:

Haymarket Riot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Any possibility for popular revolution of the communist variety in North America vanished with the prosperity generated by WW2 military and reconstruction aid spending. Post- WW2, what we call "the welfare state" has been used by western nations to prevent the desperation that has tended to drive revolutions in other parts of the world.

Illegal immigrants may not have full access to the social safety net, so they could become desperate enough to be seduced by Marxist ideology - but almost without exception they come to America (or Canada) because they want to be participants in the "evil capitalist" economy and comsumer lifestyle. They don't come here lusting to destroy it, and that wouldn't be in their interests to do.

There are genuine conspiracies to usurp democracy and legislate private property rights and business freedom out of existence, but you don't need to go hunting under ancient marxist rocks to find them. They operate right in the open, right under everyone's nose so to speak. The Health Promotion industry is one of them.

[Elminister]

Quote by: weasel I've been reading the Communist Manifesto lately (out of personal interest, not out of a secret desire to overthrow civilization) and I came up with a blasphemous, but potentially stupid, question to ask you guys: What if, by some miracle, all the illegal immigrants in the U.S. organized themselves into a communist framework and openly rebelled against American society?

I'm fairly sure there would be a short-lived bloodbath wherein about 288 million people turning against 12, therein letting loose an angry monster that has been feeding and festering for that last few years.

[Elminister]

Quote by: weasel Agreed. However, I think it would be a mistake to underestimate these people. True, it would be very unlikely that millions of illegals would band together and revolt. However, the possibility remains and that's what has me concerned.

Actually now that you mention it, underestimating the people has already proven painful.

Wednesday night, at around 11 PM local time, a Border Patrol Entry Identification Team site manned by (unarmed of course) National Guard soldiers in Arizona between Nogales and Lukeville was overrun by armed and masked invaders from Mexico.

Red Ink: Texas: National Guard Border Checkpoint Attacked, Overrun by Armed Mexicans

I wasen't sure if I should have laughed or cried.

[weasel]

Quote by: Real Thing 2007 Illegal immigrants may not have full access to the social safety net, so they could become desperate enough to be seduced by Marxist ideology - but almost without exception they come to America (or Canada) because they want to be participants in the "evil capitalist" economy and comsumer lifestyle. They don't come here lusting to destroy it, and that wouldn't be in their interests to do.

Excellent point; I didn't think of that.

[Baarst]

Quote by: weasel Agreed. However, I think it would be a mistake to underestimate these people. True, it would be very unlikely that millions of illegals would band together and revolt. However, the possibility remains and that's what has me concerned.

WOW, if this is the worst of your worries you do not have much to worry about.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Baarst WOW, if this is the worst of your worries you do not have much to worry about.

I'm sure some people's e-mailboxes fill up with such fears. Lou Dobbs doesn't help, either.

Grandpa h.

[adriandv]

Well, first post here...

This would never be possible. Maybe, just by a slight chance, in another country, but definitely not in the United States. To understand the possibility of a communist rebellion, we must look deeper into the issue. Why do these illegal immigrants come? Why do some dislike them? Well first of all, the main reason these illegals come is because they are searching for a better life, a better job, a better place to live. As soon as they leave the country, or even before, they know what they are facing. Some Americans oppose illegal immigration because these illegals are taking away their jobs and being paid less. Well, many of these jobs are actually jobs that an American would most likely want a Mexican to do, instead of himself or herself, but moving on...

These illegals are searching for jobs, constantly living under the pressure of being caught, they do not have the time, the attention, the determination, or most importantly, the motive to rebel. Besides, the U.S. army is, most probably, far greater and powerful than these, yes, millions of illegal immigrants. Of course, if for some strange reason the opposition grows, not every single illegal immigrant will want to fight. Remember, they search for visas and citizenship. They like the U.S., or at least they come to live better. Therefore, they must have some respect or, at least, likeness for the U.S. If not, they wouldn't be here right now. Why? Mexico is not a very good country to live in, especially if you're poor, and the best, most economic and fastest place to go is the U.S. After all, it is the largest power in the world.

[Suburbanite]

Quote by: weasel What if, by some miracle, all the illegal immigrants in the U.S. organized themselves into a communist framework and openly rebelled against American society?

If it wasnt for all of our guns, they could. Even on Spanish radio, they have such solidarity. Spanish radio actually gives tips on how to keep safe if you're an illegal.about what your rights are and everything. I feel like latinos could revolt.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Suburbanite If it wasnt for all of our guns, they could. Even on Spanish radio, they have such solidarity.

Well, I'm sure more of them would have greater solidarity with "native-born" Americans, if they were allowed. If they did rebel, obviously they would rebel against something. What would it be? I'm guessing it'd be restrictions imposed on them by states and by the global economy. So the system itself is feeding most rebellious impulses, as anyone with a decently functioning brain can see.

It needn't have anything to do with the "Communist Manifesto" or any other book.

Grandpa h.