Does Racism Go Both Ways? How is it fair?

[Michael1695]

If I understand correctly, there was redress and reparations made by Germany to victims and descendants of victims of the Holocaust.
The United States did not enslave you...so there are not accountable.
Again, no one is asking "preferential treatment"...where are you getting that? All that is being asked is that the treatment is fair and equitable.
I don't know who you've been talking to, but that is all I'm asking.

Most crimes in the United States are committed by black people, especially in major cities. People blame this on the society they live in. And they blame the poverty on the fact that blacks were enslaved and then discriminated against. Jews however are the most persecuted people in history, but you dont see the crime level in jewish communities soaring and you don't see 70% of prisons filled with jews. They still make money and contribute to society. Therefore there is no excuse why so many black communities should live in poverty or need gov't handouts.

[Matt W]

Most crimes in the United States are committed by black people, especially in major cities. People blame this on the society they live in. And they blame the poverty on the fact that blacks were enslaved and then discriminated against. Jews however are the most persecuted people in history, but you dont see the crime level in jewish communities soaring and you don't see 70% of prisons filled with jews. They still make money and contribute to society. Therefore there is no excuse why so many black communities should live in poverty or need gov't handouts.

That, as they say, is an easy one to answer. Jews, despite their persecution, were never denied education. During the Middle Ages, they were one of the few peoples who could actually involve themselves in moneylending, along with several other mercantile trades. Hence, they grew rich - although they often had to suffer the indignities of a noble or royal debtor whipping up anti-Jewish sympathies in order to get them lynched.

Blacks in the USA had (and still have) a whole world of problems to overcome before they can even reach that level.

[aaronssongs]

Most crimes in the United States are committed by black people, especially in major cities. People blame this on the society they live in. And they blame the poverty on the fact that blacks were enslaved and then discriminated against. Jews however are the most persecuted people in history, but you dont see the crime level in jewish communities soaring and you don't see 70% of prisons filled with jews. They still make money and contribute to society. Therefore there is no excuse why so many black communities should live in poverty or need gov't handouts.

I'm leaving....because the tone and the sentiments here, aren't conducive to my well-being...you see, it's statements, like the one above, that prove that racism is still "alive and well in America". The war in Iraq and Afghanistan is further proof.
Michael, you just lied, big time, with the falsehood you have posted.
Google the statistics....to find out the truth. God is in control.....and you think Christ is coming back to save your asses? I'd rather be an atheist, too, than to face the prospect that I fucked up, royally, with the time I spent on this Earth., valuing material, instead of intrinsic values. But don't worry, you'll have plenty of time to think about it, in Hellfire....Good bye, you worthless, poor excuses for humanity

[adam10312]

That, as they say, is an easy one to answer. Jews, despite their persecution, were never denied education.

Blacks in the USA had (and still have) a whole world of problems to overcome before they can even reach that level.

Come on now, you have to back this up with something...

[adam10312]

I'm leaving....because the tone and the sentiments here, aren't conducive to my well-being...you see, it's statements, like the one above, that prove that racism is still "alive and well in America". The war in Iraq and Afghanistan is further proof.
Michael, you just lied, big time, with the falsehood you have posted.
Google the statistics....to find out the truth. God is in control.....and you think Christ is coming back to save your asses? I'd rather be an atheist, too, than to face the prospect that I fucked up, royally, with the time I spent on this Earth., valuing material, instead of intrinsic values. But don't worry, you'll have plenty of time to think about it, in Hellfire....Good bye, you worthless, poor excuses for humanity

Try not to allow your emotions to cloud your logic. It is possible that the truth is not conducive to your well-being.

If you care to stay, I have a question for you. Can you describe to me what the government (or "white" people) can do to "level the playing field"? I am very interested to know of a situation in which we can "balance" everything out, and thus start with a clean slate between races. What would have to happend to remove any and all unfair disadvantages?

[Michael1695]

That, as they say, is an easy one to answer. Jews, despite their persecution, were never denied education. During the Middle Ages, they were one of the few peoples who could actually involve themselves in moneylending, along with several other mercantile trades. Hence, they grew rich - although they often had to suffer the indignities of a noble or royal debtor whipping up anti-Jewish sympathies in order to get them lynched.

Blacks in the USA had (and still have) a whole world of problems to overcome before they can even reach that level.

Thats ridiculous. What problems to blacks have now? They have the same opportunites as everyone else. They do where I live in NYC at least. There is a black man running for president, I would say that that sums up the position black people are in now.

[aaronssongs]

Try not to allow your emotions to cloud your logic. It is possible that the truth is not conducive to your well-being.

If you care to stay, I have a question for you. Can you describe to me what the government (or "white" people) can do to "level the playing field"? I am very interested to know of a situation in which we can "balance" everything out, and thus start with a clean slate between races. What would have to happend to remove any and all unfair disadvantages?

And you would be a buffoon for suggesting such. Truth is the end all and the be all. Enlightenment is infinitely better than "endarkenment".
And in answer to your question...I really don't have an answer. If you actually take a step back to look at the "poison arrows" shot at me, for having the audacity to ask the membership here to forego using a racial pejorative, which I, and millions of other blacks like myself, find reprehensible, hurtful and demeaning.
Well, I couldn't have called somebody's mother out of her name, and gotten the response that I received, from people who are so fearful , jealous, envious, and filled with contempt for black people , here, in 2008.
By God, no one is going to stop them from using "the n word"...especially not some black man, who has command of the English language, and is something of a "world citizen", and not in touch with a revisionist, colonial, white supremist mindset, that dominates enclaves throughout the US and most definitely, the world.
I had no idea the level of hate and contempt for black people, really. It's overwhelming. No wonder hanging "nooses" has resurfaced...and as I argued the point on Conflicting Views, there were people there who thought hanging nooses fell under the First Amendment, as freedom of expression. It's the beginning of the end, when people would invoke the Amendments to the Constitution to satisfy their hatred and their need to dominate others. It's all very ugly and indefensible, and should be a source of shame, and not an expression of freedom.


Just so that all of you should know that there has been a paradigm shift in the mindset of black people concerning "the n word" and it's usage...I re-print the following from a Yahoo Group.









Black comedian cut short during n-word routine

Ed Pilkington in New York
Friday September 7, 2007
Guardian

When the black comedian and movie star Eddie Griffin, headlining an evening of stand-up routines, asked his 1,000-strong audience: "Why are some black leaders telling us to stop using the n-word", he could not have expected what happened next. The microphone went dead.
Griffin, of Date Movie and Undercover Brother fame, was 10 minutes into his act in Miami last Friday night, having liberally peppered his jokes with the word. But the organisers of the event, the magazine Black Enterprise, had had enough.
Minutes after the stage fell silent, the magazine's publisher, Earl Graves, announced to a standing ovation that "we will not allow our culture to go backwards. Black Enterprise stands for decency, black culture and dignity." He added that Griffin would be paid his full fee but would not be allowed to finish his act.
The cutting short of an act of a prominent black comedian for using the word is the latest sign of the gathering force of a movement to reform public language. Its use, as well as that of words such as bitch and ho - widely deployed by black comedy acts and hip-hop artists - is decried by advocates of change for being demeaning and self-harming.
The movement, spearheaded by the website abolishthenword.com and the New York-based campaigner Al Sharpton, has grown rapidly since the controversy surrounding the use of the n-word onstage by ex-Seinfeld actor Michael Richards and Don Imus's removal from his radio show for describing black players from a basketball team as "nappy-headed hos".
In recent months several important groups have signed up to the spirit of the campaign. In July the National Association for the Advancement of Coloured People held a mock funeral for the n-word in Detroit. The black fraternity Alpha Phi Alpha has called on its groups on university campuses to bar DJs from using it and hip-hop artists such as Master P and Chamillionaire have promised to keep their future albums free of the term.


As you can tell, black people are fed up...with "blacks" who use the terminology,,,but moreso, with "whites", who think that they can use the terminology without repercussions, or consequences.
If you think otherwise, then come out of this forum, and scream the words in a local mall, since you fear nothing...better yet, discuss amongst yourselves, in the reasonable protection of your little "good ol' boys network", like this forum. We all know you'd never show your true colors in the light of day....so stay like vermin, hidden and secretive. Here you say whatever you like. But don't expect civilized, intelligent, cognizant beings to participate or tolerate your inbred discourse.
Jesus said "to love".....but you make it hard.

You wrote, " you care to stay, I have a question for you. Can you describe to me what the government (or "white" people) can do to "level the playing field"? I am very interested to know of a situation in which we can "balance" everything out, and thus start with a clean slate between races. What would have to happend to remove any and all unfair disadvantages?"

Honestly, I don't know if I can answer your questions...but you might start by trying to emulate Jesus Christ...he never demeaned anyone, and he tried to help everyone he came into contact with...maybe that's why there is a religion devoted to him as the second person of the Holy Trinity. You think?

[Michael1695]

And you would be a buffoon for suggesting such. Truth is the end all and the be all. Enlightenment is infinitely better than "endarkenment".
And in answer to your question...I really don't have an answer. If you actually take a step back to look at the "poison arrows" shot at me, for having the audacity to ask the membership here to forego using a racial pejorative, which I, and millions of other blacks like myself, find reprehensible, hurtful and demeaning.
Well, I couldn't have called somebody's mother out of her name, and gotten the response that I received, from people who are so fearful , jealous, envious, and filled with contempt for black people , here, in 2008.
By God, no one is going to stop them from using "the n word"...especially not some black man, who has command of the English language, and is something of a "world citizen", and not in touch with a revisionist, colonial, white supremist mindset, that dominates enclaves throughout the US and most definitely, the world.
I had no idea the level of hate and contempt for black people, really. It's overwhelming. No wonder hanging "nooses" has resurfaced...and as I argued the point on Conflicting Views, there were people there who thought hanging nooses fell under the First Amendment, as freedom of expression. It's the beginning of the end, when people would invoke the Amendments to the Constitution to satisfy their hatred and their need to dominate others. It's all very ugly and indefensible, and should be a source of shame, and not an expression of freedom.


Just so that all of you should know that there has been a paradigm shift in the mindset of black people concerning "the n word" and it's usage...I re-print the following from a Yahoo Group.









Black comedian cut short during n-word routine

Ed Pilkington in New York
Friday September 7, 2007
Guardian

When the black comedian and movie star Eddie Griffin, headlining an evening of stand-up routines, asked his 1,000-strong audience: "Why are some black leaders telling us to stop using the n-word", he could not have expected what happened next. The microphone went dead.
Griffin, of Date Movie and Undercover Brother fame, was 10 minutes into his act in Miami last Friday night, having liberally peppered his jokes with the word. But the organisers of the event, the magazine Black Enterprise, had had enough.
Minutes after the stage fell silent, the magazine's publisher, Earl Graves, announced to a standing ovation that "we will not allow our culture to go backwards. Black Enterprise stands for decency, black culture and dignity." He added that Griffin would be paid his full fee but would not be allowed to finish his act.
The cutting short of an act of a prominent black comedian for using the word is the latest sign of the gathering force of a movement to reform public language. Its use, as well as that of words such as bitch and ho - widely deployed by black comedy acts and hip-hop artists - is decried by advocates of change for being demeaning and self-harming.
The movement, spearheaded by the website abolishthenword.com and the New York-based campaigner Al Sharpton, has grown rapidly since the controversy surrounding the use of the n-word onstage by ex-Seinfeld actor Michael Richards and Don Imus's removal from his radio show for describing black players from a basketball team as "nappy-headed hos".
In recent months several important groups have signed up to the spirit of the campaign. In July the National Association for the Advancement of Coloured People held a mock funeral for the n-word in Detroit. The black fraternity Alpha Phi Alpha has called on its groups on university campuses to bar DJs from using it and hip-hop artists such as Master P and Chamillionaire have promised to keep their future albums free of the term.


As you can tell, black people are fed up...with "blacks" who use the terminology,,,but moreso, with "whites", who think that they can use the terminology without repercussions, or consequences.
If you think otherwise, then come out of this forum, and scream the words in a local mall, since you fear nothing...better yet, discuss amongst yourselves, in the reasonable protection of your little "good ol' boys network", like this forum. We all know you'd never show your true colors in the light of day....so stay like vermin, hidden and secretive. Here you say whatever you like. But don't expect civilized, intelligent, cognizant beings to participate or tolerate your inbred discourse.
Jesus said "to love".....but you make it hard.

You wrote, " you care to stay, I have a question for you. Can you describe to me what the government (or "white" people) can do to "level the playing field"? I am very interested to know of a situation in which we can "balance" everything out, and thus start with a clean slate between races. What would have to happend to remove any and all unfair disadvantages?"

Honestly, I don't know if I can answer your questions...but you might start by trying to emulate Jesus Christ...he never demeaned anyone, and he tried to help everyone he came into contact with...maybe that's why there is a religion devoted to him as the second person of the Holy Trinity. You think?

You need to stop pittying yourself so much and get a life. You play the part of the "poor black man who is subject to so much racial injustice". You think the end of the world is near even after the black race has come such a long way since the end of segregation. A black man is running for president for crying out loud, and you think blacks are about to be enslaved again. GET OVER YOURSELF!!! Every black person has the same opportunity as everyone else in this country. And if they feel they don't then sitting here whining about it isn't going to solve anything.

[adam10312]

And you would be a buffoon for suggesting such. Truth is the end all and the be all. Enlightenment is infinitely better than "endarkenment".
And in answer to your question...I really don't have an answer. If you actually take a step back to look at the "poison arrows" shot at me, for having the audacity to ask the membership here to forego using a racial pejorative, which I, and millions of other blacks like myself, find reprehensible, hurtful and demeaning.
Well, I couldn't have called somebody's mother out of her name, and gotten the response that I received, from people who are so fearful , jealous, envious, and filled with contempt for black people , here, in 2008.
By God, no one is going to stop them from using "the n word"...especially not some black man, who has command of the English language, and is something of a "world citizen", and not in touch with a revisionist, colonial, white supremist mindset, that dominates enclaves throughout the US and most definitely, the world.
I had no idea the level of hate and contempt for black people, really. It's overwhelming. No wonder hanging "nooses" has resurfaced...and as I argued the point on Conflicting Views, there were people there who thought hanging nooses fell under the First Amendment, as freedom of expression. It's the beginning of the end, when people would invoke the Amendments to the Constitution to satisfy their hatred and their need to dominate others. It's all very ugly and indefensible, and should be a source of shame, and not an expression of freedom.


Just so that all of you should know that there has been a paradigm shift in the mindset of black people concerning "the n word" and it's usage...I re-print the following from a Yahoo Group.

As you can tell, black people are fed up...with "blacks" who use the terminology,,,but moreso, with "whites", who think that they can use the terminology without repercussions, or consequences.
If you think otherwise, then come out of this forum, and scream the words in a local mall, since you fear nothing...better yet, discuss amongst yourselves, in the reasonable protection of your little "good ol' boys network", like this forum. We all know you'd never show your true colors in the light of day....so stay like vermin, hidden and secretive. Here you say whatever you like. But don't expect civilized, intelligent, cognizant beings to participate or tolerate your inbred discourse.
Jesus said "to love".....but you make it hard.

You wrote, " you care to stay, I have a question for you. Can you describe to me what the government (or "white" people) can do to "level the playing field"? I am very interested to know of a situation in which we can "balance" everything out, and thus start with a clean slate between races. What would have to happend to remove any and all unfair disadvantages?"

Honestly, I don't know if I can answer your questions...but you might start by trying to emulate Jesus Christ...he never demeaned anyone, and he tried to help everyone he came into contact with...maybe that's why there is a religion devoted to him as the second person of the Holy Trinity. You think?

Unfortunately, I think we are done here. As I said before, you are allowing emotion to cloud your sense of logic. Your namecalling and vicious remarks are annoying. I think you may be too set in your ways to see reason at this point, but I think absolutely no different about a black and a white person. Honestly, it's not an issue to me at all. A very small amount of people actually see it as a problem. Some just have a disproportionate exposure to these groups, leading them to believe this is a big issue.

[Cephus]

I don't think I "chimed" in since I have been part of this debate for a while. You made a statement that you believe is a fact that we all evolved from africans, which has no relevance to this discussion. So you brought up the total irrelevant subject of evolution. All I did was tell you I didn't believe in evolution after you told me you did.

I made a point about where humans originated, thus we're all "African-Americans", which is in keeping with the topic of this thread. You took a severe left turn and espoused your religious beliefs which has nothing whatsoever to do with racism.

Hopefully that clears things up.

[Michael1695]

I made a point about where humans originated, thus we're all "African-Americans", which is in keeping with the topic of this thread. You took a severe left turn and espoused your religious beliefs which has nothing whatsoever to do with racism.

Hopefully that clears things up.

Actually you espoused your religious beliefs (or lack of) by bringing up evolution in the first place, which has nothing to do with racism.

[Cephus]

You need to stop pittying yourself so much and get a life. You play the part of the "poor black man who is subject to so much racial injustice". You think the end of the world is near even after the black race has come such a long way since the end of segregation. A black man is running for president for crying out loud, and you think blacks are about to be enslaved again. GET OVER YOURSELF!!! Every black person has the same opportunity as everyone else in this country. And if they feel they don't then sitting here whining about it isn't going to solve anything.

Fantastic point. There are far too many blacks in society today who want to feel sorry for themselves and any time things don't go their way, they blame racism. "Waaah, I didn't get into college! Racism! Okay, maybe I screwed around in high school, got bad grades, didn't bother to take the SAT, but... IT'S RACISM I TELL YOU!"