A Man Would Have To Be Gay To Be Attracted To These Butch Women

[nine steps]

It's the 5,000,000 pound gorilla in the room no one talks about ever.. including the media. American women have become to resemble men so much not just physically, but even their personalities as well. It's frightening. Today's American women are so incredibly butch and masculine and repulsive, that a man would have to be gay to be attracted to them! I'm not homophobic, but these women are deeply confused if they want to be awith a man! Everytime I see a man with one of these majority of women in the U.S. today, I cannot help but think the husband must be a closet homosexual, while he's telling me, "this is my wife." Uh-em, excuse me, do you mean your co-husband? Not even mention the fact that it so incredibly unnatural and this why American women are suffering from record rates of mental illness never seen in human society before, and why women are self-destructing before out very eyes.

And then we hear from these very same women that men do not want them because they cannot 'handle' a 'strong' woman.

Ladies, help has arrived. In the next 10 seconds we'll have all of this resolved and you can go back to being women again.

Imagine if Richard Simmons strutted around with his limp wrist saying he cannot find a good woman because women are just intimidated by a man who is in touch with his feelings!

Imagine how bizarre that would look, now reverse it and now you know how men see you.

Problem solved. If you are interested in men, ladies, you'll need to present yourselves as women. You're welcome.

[Winter wind]

American women have become to resemble men so much not just physically, but mentally as well.

Yes, God forbid that women actually start to become as smart as men, if they weren't already before.

Where on earth are you getting the idea the men are superior to women. That men have to act in X fashion and women have to act in X fashion. Otherwise they are gay.
America at work....

[Suburbanite]

Quote by: Winter wind Yes, God forbid that women actually start to become as smart as men, if they weren't already before. Where on earth are you getting the idea the men are superior to women. That men have to act in X fashion and women have to act in X fashion. Otherwise they are gay. America at work....

I'm not trying to say I agree with this guy, especially about his homophobia.
However, I'm sorry, as far as women being equally as smart as men though, I have to say, they need to put up or shut up because I haven't been impressed with their track record. I'm not saying men and women aren't equal. I'm just not saying they are either, its yet to be proven.
In my own personal life, none of the people I consider smart are women. Their fault or mine?

[nine steps]

"I'm not trying to say I agree with this guy, especially about his homophobia."

Go back and read my post..

"I'm not homophobic, but these women are deeply confused if they want to be with a man! "

[Winter wind]

OK Two clarifying questions. Are you saying no woman is intelligent (willingly)?
And what do you want from woman? What would be best?
And what role should woman play in a relationship?

[nine steps]

Quote by: Winter wind OK Two clarifying questions. Are you saying no woman is intelligent (willingly)? And what do you want from woman? What would be best? And what role should woman play in a relationship?

Whaaa...??? This topic is not about who is more intelligent, men or women. It is about women acting too butch. It is really stupid on the part of women of course, yes, and correcting that behavior (if they want to attract men).

Women should be feminine if they want to attract a man, the same way women are attracted to masculine men. Ever heard a woman say she's looking for a feminine man?

[Winter wind]

Define Feminine. There are many views of what is traditionally feminine and I want to here your exact words.

[phoenix_fire]

I think that nine steps has decided to just call the whole thing off. After all, in one thread he complains that women are superficial because they are not interested in the same "broad" range of things that men are, that they are all airheads, and they're only concerned with physical beauty. And then he turns around and calls modern women butch and too like men to be attractive as women. So which is it? Is there some caveat that I've missed that makes these two apparently contradictory statements make sense together?

I have to tell you that I really don't like the cultural dictates on what "masculine" and "feminine" should mean. I think that our culture implies that masculinity involves being a drooling Neanderthal, while femininity involves being a flighty little airhead. It ticks me off. A lot of really good men are convinced that they're gay simply because they exhibit what I would call positive traits: empathy, creativity, sentimentality, intelligence, tenderness, spirituality; they have a true strength of character, as opposed to the relative weakness and fear that cause other men to resort to chest beating. It ticks me off that society convinces this type that they are gay.

And on the other hand, the girly hierarchy (headed up by the spiteful old hens that like to control the younger women's lives and enforced by the alpha girls themselves) likes to enforce the idea that girls should be fragile, vapid, made-up little dolls. Whenever a woman shows intelligence, strength, honor, leadership, adventurousness, courage, and mettle, society may not tell them they are lesbians, but they nevertheless suffer steep social penalties.

The problem is the assumption that these certain character traits that I have mentioned should be exclusive to a certain gender. I think that's nonsense. Men should not be intimidated and women should not be freaked out when they see these things in each other. After all, a part of them probably desires these traits, even though they've been trained to think of them negatively. But I think there would be far fewer problems between men and women if they were able to fulfill their gender roles in full recognition of their true natures.

[Winter wind]

have to tell you that I really don't like the cultural dictates on what "masculine" and "feminine" should mean. I think that our culture implies that masculinity involves being a drooling Neanderthal, while femininity involves being a flighty little airhead

Hahaha! Welcome to the horrifying reality of culture.

This all comes back to my personal theory that high school is what happens in real life. That there is no change. You get shoved into a group no matter if you fit the description or not. Anybody who can't be placed into a group is severely punished by society.

[tinybear]

What about the Warrior Princess? Lots of straight men are attracted to her, right?

[Winter wind]

I already know what nine steps is going to say.
Warrior Princess is the paramount of the horrible pop culture that is driving women to be more buff. The guys who are attracted to her are just gay on the inside...or something like that.

[nine steps]

Quote by: Winter wind Define Feminine. There are many views of what is traditionally feminine and I want to here your exact words.

Look at these
Butching up movie posters | AfterEllen.com
now picture the opposite of how these women dress and present themselves.

What you're doing is nothing more than ad hominem because like everyone else it seems, you're in denial of the truth. Asking me to define 'feminine' is like asking me how I define 'masculine' or 'gay' or any other other type of human behavior in an effort to derail this thread into a debate over the definition. Could you be any more transparent?

And this, "I want to here your exact words." A lot of you on this website are always making this assumtion that anyone with views of reality that are not completely twisted through the meat grinder of liberal fasicm is instantly an uneducated neanderthal knuckle-dragger. When in reality, most liberals tend to be one-dimesional shills who spend all of their time thinking of nothing but 'diversity' and prejudice and "you can't stereotype!!!!" that they end up becoming incredibly dumbed down, without the basic skills to navigate in the world, having never learned anything from their experience in the world.

[tinybear]

Actually straight men have been attracted to Amazons for longer than you think. Wasn't Wonder Woman quite popular with the guys?

[Jack]

you're in denial of the truth.

Truth? No, your opinion, which you're entitled to. But it should be quite obvious that it's hardly a universal truth. Those of us who live in the real world and interact with real people can cite enough exceptions to the posted generalities as to render them uncommon.

[ruksak]

Quote by: tinybear What about the Warrior Princess? Lots of straight men are attracted to her, right?

I would prefer to masturbate with a hand full of broken glass, thanks.

And Nine_Steps, DO NOT take this as a flame, but I have to ask.

Are you gay?

I ask because you seem to have some very deep seeded issues with women.

[tinybear]

Nine steps has a very interesting avatar.

[Winter wind]

I'm an independent, but that's neither here nor there

I don't want to make this a fight over the definition.

We like proof here, and evidence. I don't like how you just say things without backing them up.

Women should be feminine if they want to attract a man, the same way women are attracted to masculine men. Ever heard a woman say she's looking for a feminine man?

Women should be more "feminine" if they are looking to attract a man looking for a more "feminine" girl. What the hell difference does it make if the woman doesn't want to change the way she is. Because if I'm not wrong, you're saying that all girls should just became as "feminine" as possible so they can get married. But there are guys out there who like girls who can think for themselves and who can handle themselves well. Who are tough, and have a sense of bravery. I'm one. As "feminine" In a guy that may be, I don't care. There are girls out there looking for softer guys and there are guys who are looking for smarter and less wishy washy girls.

So don't say it's for the woman's own good to act "feminine" which is only your definition what ever the hell it is. If it's that they become submissive and take orders from the guy unquestioningly, then you go find that girl, but don't you dare tell everyone else that that is the only way you are going to attract others. For lack of another term, it is pathetic. I'm not being politically correct. This is what I think. And if you think that I'm stupid and have been branded by society, I don't care.

[nine steps]

Quote by: phoenix_fire I have to tell you that I really don't like the cultural dictates on what "masculine" and "feminine" should mean. I think that our culture implies that masculinity involves being a drooling Neanderthal, while femininity involves being a flighty little airhead. It ticks me off. A lot of really good men are convinced that they're gay simply because they exhibit what I would call positive traits: empathy, creativity, sentimentality, intelligence, tenderness, spirituality; they have a true strength of character, as opposed to the relative weakness and fear that cause other men to resort to chest beating. It ticks me off that society convinces this type that they are gay. The problem is the assumption that these certain character traits that I have mentioned should be exclusive to a certain gender. I think that's nonsense. Men should not be intimidated and women should not be freaked out when they see these things in each other. After all, a part of them probably desires these traits, even though they've been trained to think of them negatively. But I think there would be far fewer problems between men and women if they were able to fulfill their gender roles in full recognition of their true natures.

That's all well and fine and works well in an academic discussion, but not in the real world. It's called nature. Nature dictates what men and women are attracted to and the vast majorty of them are attracted to the masculine and the feminine. This is mostly a problem of laziness on women's part. They demand men be masculine, which they are attracted to, but too lazy and worthless to work at the corresponding counterpart. Nature, it seems, doesn't give a *^&% whether you like 'traditional gender roles.' Aint' that a bitch? SORRY.

Now, can we get back to the topic, please? How women are so nauseatingly butch in Ameica today.

[Maryjane]

Women are supposed to take advice how to "catch and keep a man" from someone who thinks of them as nothing but mindless, narcissistic, conniving, superficial, week sex objects? It all makes sense... Instead of Dear Abby, the love lorn should have been checking the "Dear Sociopathic Troll" column on Volconvo.

[Winter wind]

Woman are becoming more Butch because they aren't held down by culture/nature. People go for the "Butch" woman. Just because you don't. Oh and when you say

vast majorty of them are attracted to the masculine and the feminine.

How do I know you don't live on mars and that on earth people actually like others for who they are. Faking something will only last so long. After that it falls apart. not politically correct, this is truth.