Hypocrisy of Liberal women: what is your aim, or, are you just selfish and clueless?

[famousde]

Liberal women,
What the heck is your direction exactly? First, you go way over bored with feminism to the point where we all have to tiptoe around the office - not to mention affirmative action which is point blank reverse discrimination!

Currently, you not only tolerate the insane treatment of women by Islam, you freaking defend these bastards every chance you get.

current atrocities against women
Currently we have the British lady facing 40 lashes and prison time for having the heart to go teach school children in Sudan and doing a teddy bear project where a teddy bear was named Mohamed. Some Muslims are calling for her to receive death penalty.

And then we have the lady who was raped, and now is facing prison or death for being in the presents of a man that was not her husband. (the rapist).

What do you say to this? How do you explain your lack of outrage? How in the world can you justify defending the many crimes against humanity that Muslims have been committing in the name of Islam?

While most liberal women that I encountered, have no problem condemning President Bush for everything he does; meanwhile, I can't recall a single instance of a liberal democrats unambiguously condemning Islam.

Thanks
DE

[Winter wind]

OK, first off you just took around a million plus women, piled them into one group and labeled them all stupid. Which is only slightly funny considering you said this...

While most liberal women that I encountered, have no problem condemning President Bush for everything he does; meanwhile, I can't recall a single instance of a liberal democrats unambiguously condemning Islam.

The feminists I've been around go wild when the topic of Saudi Arabia comes up.

First, you go way over bored with feminism to the point where we all have to tiptoe around the office

OK, I agree with your argument up to the point which you say "you". You aren't talking about feminist, you just talking about one you know that's been pissing you off lately.

[famousde]

No, actually, I debate the Islam problem with liberals all the time. Still have yet to hear one unambiguously identify Islam as being a huge problem and the primary source of the problem. Just like I didn't hear you do so. You immediately try to derail the topic, and, seem to be more bothered that I generalized, than you are about women getting stoned, children being used as bombs, and the decapitating of innocent people.

I just don't get it. Is this just a random psychosis, or, do you liberals somehow see Islam as your partner in achieving some goal?

[Winter wind]

Not all Islamics are crazy and the religion of Islam is no more crazy then Christianity. If you disagree with me, post how Islam is such a problem

women getting stoned, children being used as bombs, and the decapitating of innocent people.

point out the parts in the Qur'an that support this. In the mean time, woman and children can be stoned according to a litteral interpretation of the Bible. I didn't mean to derail the topic, I'm just tired of people labeling other people. You called all liberal woman the same and you act like Islam itself is evil. Which it isn't it's just gotten such a bad name.

I just don't get it. Is this just a random psychosis, or, do you liberals somehow see Islam as your partner in achieving some goal?

Liberals are more of the "can't we all just get along" type when it comes to foreign affairs, and trying to be more tolerant of other societies and groups, they will need the help of all groups, including Muslims.

[Suburbanite]

Right On, Brother famous!

[famousde]

See. you just don't bet it.

Location: Hong Kong, China
Posts: 209 Not all Islamics are crazy and the religion of Islam is no more crazy then Christianity. If you disagree with me, post how Islam is such a problem


Quote:
women getting stoned, children being used as bombs, and the decapitating of innocent people.

point out the parts in the Qur'an that support this. In the mean time, woman and children can be stoned according to a literal interpretation of the Bible. I

I am not referring to the Koran or the bible. This is not a comparison of religions. I am not talking about the theoretic nor asking you to conclude anything about any religion's potential or track record.

HELLO. I am talking about right now, crimes against humanity and interpretations of Islam that right now are dangerous and bad for humanity. You, like every other liberal I meet, want to turn your back on that reality, and win some irrelevant theoretical argument relating to how Islam is no worse of a religion (on the whole) than any other. This I don't know and don't give a shit. I am talking about behavior, not, today, that needs to be identified, condemned and dealt with.

[Winter wind]

Just making sure, you mean that the current practice of Islam is bad and therefore it should be addressed? If so, how do you want to address it?

I don't turn my back on countries that use religion to completely mistreat their citizens, I just think you are misidentifying the cause. Islam is an excuse, but I think that human rights would have been violated anyway.

[ruksak]

Quote by: FamousDe I just don't get it. Is this just a random psychosis, or, do you liberals somehow see Islam as your partner in achieving some goal?

First off, hello and welcome to Volconvo.

I agree with much of what you said. There is an inherent process of liberals excusing Islam for its mistreatment of women. Often they cite the non-violent aspects of Islamic female oppression as a cultural connotation. As if tradition excuses the oppression. The mere fact that women have to hide themselves shamefully under clothing that bears an eerie resemblance to a bee keepers outfit, is reason enough to stop defending Islam.

Far-Left Liberalism knows no bounds when it comes to protecting the guilty, the evil from justice or blame.

[Winter wind]

The mere fact that women have to hide themselves shamefully under clothing that bears an eerie resemblance to a bee keepers outfit, is reason enough to stop defending Islam.

Wait, you act like all Muslim women are against the vale, which they aren't. Just take a look at Briton and some of the hot topics there.

But that is neither here nor there.

Often they cite the non-violent aspects of Islamic female oppression as a cultural connotation.

I haven't, I don't care what religion you are from, you don't get to impose your believes on others. (not you, I'm talking about everyone, including Muslims). But I object to how you seem to be taking all Muslims and putting them in one big pile. I hate generalizations with a passion.

[ruksak]

Quote by: Winter Wind But I object to how you seem to be taking all Muslims and putting them in one big pile. I hate generalizations with a passion.

Hence my usage of the word "often". Love it, hate it, no matter. It's true. Often they cite the non-violent aspects of Islamic female oppression as a cultural connotation. As you pointed out yourself here;

Wait, you act like all Muslim women are against the vale, which they aren't. Just take a look at Briton and some of the hot topics there.

I doubt very much that many of these women whom live outside of Islamic law states really want to hide behind the vale. Their reason for doing so, with a smile, is that to not abide by this cultural connotation would bring much shame to their family. It is simple cultural oppression.

I haven't, I don't care what religion you are from, you don't get to impose your believes on others. (not you, I'm talking about everyone, including Muslims).

Thats what the vale represents. Only a fraction of the inane cultural "laws" under which Muslims operate. A sister, a wife, a daughter, is forced through cultural oppression to hide her entire body under a blanket. If they choose not too, the price is extreme. Even deadly in some random occurrences.

[Winter wind]

I doubt very much that many of these women whom live outside of Islamic law states really want to hide behind the vale. Their reason for doing so, with a smile, is that to not abide by this cultural connotation would bring much shame to their family. It is simple cultural oppression.

Can you prove that? Until you can, freedom of expression isn't something so easy to dump. Otherwise you maybe taking away something that maybe of religious importance to them. If people have to grow their beards to a certain length according to a religion, then fine. If they have to go to Church every Sunday, thats not religious opression, but it could be. It's not unheard of that a person go to Church only so they don't "bring shame to the family". Saying grace before meals can be seen as a form of "cultural oppression"

Thats what the vale represents. Only a fraction of the inane cultural "laws" under which Muslims operate. A sister, a wife, a daughter, is forced through cultural oppression to hide her entire body under a blanket. If they choose not too, the price is extreme. Even deadly in some random occurrences.

Which is the problem of having a theocracy in the 21st century, and that is something I agree is dumb.

[nine steps]

Most of the young women (and a great deal of older women) today don't know anything about anything especially issues in another country! Are you kidding me?

The quickest way to end an encounter with an American female today is to start an intelligent conversation about something actually interesting.

American women only care about celebrities and shoes. Why do think A.W. consider Oprah, possibly the most over-rated human to ever live, to be an 'intellectual' goddess, when she has, by male standards, a strictly average I.Q.?

Then look at the magazine rack next time you are in the store.. all the magazines that appeal to men are about everything from A-Z- mostly concerning constructive hobbies, to science and politics, or at least sports.

Now look at the magazines that appeal to women. Every cover has a photograph of a pretty woman on the cover with lots of make-up. Besides the obvious, creepy, neo-lesbian implication of this, what this says is that women are completely self-centered.

Just make you never tell them that- AW 'believe' they are more intelligent than men because they have been told this over and over. When you do this to a group of poeple, it makes them worthless.

Then there are the 'feminist' types who are so obnoxious. Here's how you can have some fun with these walking freakshows.. next time you hear one of these blowhards trying to educate everyone on women's equality, ask her just this one question: "By the way, when exactly was it that the Equal Rights Amendmant was passed- was it the 60's or 70's?" They'll always say the 70's. That's when you point and explode with laughter and say, "you idiot, it was a trick question.. the ERA was never passed!!! HAHAHAHAHA!!! And you know why? Because women didn't want it passed." Then tell them there's nothing more pathetic than someone who doesn't even know anything about what they cannot shut up about!!! One thing you can count on is that liberals are lazy and do not do their homework and are virtually illiterate idiots.

American women just don't care.

[ruksak]

Quote by: nine steps The quickest way to end an encounter with an American female today is to start an intelligent conversation about something actually interesting. American women only care about celebrities and shoes.

So you met my ex-wife?

American women just don't care.

My current girlfriend is an exception to this. As well, I meet women all the time that do not fit this description. I find many men to be as ignorant and pop-culture oriented as there are women.

What experience do you base this on? Personal or second hand observation of pop-culture?

[Winter wind]

Here we go

IQ wise men do about the same as woman with maybe a 3 point variance.

I think we should argue the rest on the topic for the superficial woman.

[nine steps]

Quote by: Winter wind Here we go IQ wise men do about the same as woman with maybe a 3 point variance. I think we should argue the rest on the topic for the superficial woman.

The average American female is ignorant by choice.

[ruksak]

Quote by: Winter Wind Can you prove that?

Yes. Yes I can.



OK OK. So it's just common sense that leads me to this belief.

Until you can, freedom of expression isn't something so easy to dump.

Freedom of expression is also something that Muslim woman DO NOT have.

[Winter wind]

The average American female is ignorant by choice.

The average American in general is ignorant by choice. The average American guy cares more about cars, and hot girls, and pop culture.

But I'm going to revive the old "woman are more superficial then men" so we can continue the old debate.

[nine steps]

Quote by: ruksak What experience do you base this on? Personal or second hand observation of pop-culture?

Have you actually ever met an American female? You sound like someone who just dropped out of the sky 5 minutes ago.

[Winter wind]

Have you actually ever met an American female? You sound like someone who just dropped out of the sky 5 minutes ago.

Last American girl I saw was a genius in AP politics and knew how to summarize an argument and analyze a political field better then most politicians I've met.

Freedom of expression is also something that Muslim woman DO NOT have.

They should have the freedom to not express anything as well. But what about the rest of the post.

[ruksak]

Quote by: nine steps The average American female is ignorant by choice.

And the men aren't?

C'mon bro. Be real. The average dude is just as plugged into pop-culture worship as the average woman. If I start talking about current events, politics and topical intellectual conversation with guys at work or otherwise, they have nothing to say about it. Other than "Hey dude, you seen that new episode of 24"? Or....."Man that Tom Brady sure is a good quarterback. You think the Patriots are gonna go 16-0"?

So please, get out your sharpest knife and cut the bullsh*t.