Woman Are Far More Superficial

[nine steps]

"Unfounded statistic. Do you have any support for this claim?"

Are you *#*%%**&* kidding me? All I can conclude from a question like that is that you've never actually dated a woman before.

"Strange. I've never made more than $28K in a year and have never had trouble getting women since high school."

The subject isn't 'getting women' as in girlfriends or getting laid. The topic here is about marriage. I made that quite clear at the beginning. Go back and read.

"It is clear from your posts and your signature that you are obsessed with women as evil beings... have you been hurt in the past? Why don't you go to the miscellaneous forum and lay out your problems for us, we'll listen (read, whatever...)"

Actually most of the other topics in this section are the ones that belong in the miscellaneous forum. Mine is one of the few that actually addresses an important issue that people really have to deal with in every day life. You obviously are uninformed and uneducated on the laws.

Women are not evil, they are what is called 'amoral.' (Look it up) That is a fact and has nothing to do with 'what I think.' In addition, I haven't been 'burned' because I play it smart like all intelligent men do today. You on the other hand, are walking a tightrope without a net. LOL

"The difference is, with the help of my wife, MY genetic material, line, estate, whatever, lives on in my son. If you can't have a relationship with a woman yours does not."


Too bad that under the current child custody laws there is an extremely high likelyhood you won't be able to see your son after the divorce. Sorry.

[Epistemologist]

Quote by: phoenix_fire Nah, Tivo. The current ideal of beauty in our culture actually makes women with a low probability of having viable offspring the most desirable. They are malnourished: their bones are brittle from lack of calcium in their diets. Certainly not good for a healthy pregnancy. And their weakened bodies, made all the more unstable by synthetic implants to compensate for the unintended effects of the aforementioned malnutrition are not suitable for carrying children. Implants make nursing impossible. And the temperament of these women indicates that they would be more likely to eat their young than provide even sufficient care.

Yuck, yucky creatures.

[nine steps]

Quote by: Epistemologist Please. Finances are a major factor to consider in marriage, but they are not the only factor. Love, societal approval, and general possibility for a successful future are all factors that must also be considered when making the decision to marry someone or marry at all for that matter. True, some factors may be considered more than others, and often the differences in how they are considered might be considered wrong. A lady who marries mostly for money and snubs most people who offer her less than a 10K engagement ring would be justifiably seen as a shallow person. But by the same token, a totally lubby-dubby, impractically romantic couple may also be seen as bad in terms of their propensity for success. Even The Taming of the Shrew suggests that impractical romanticism is inappropriate. It seems that you're claiming that any women who considers her potential husband's earnings is superficial. But as it goes, you are wrong. As for women who consider finances only considering men who have higher salaries than they have, they are making other considerations as well. These considerations may be cultural, vis-a-vis the norm that a husband usually makes more than the wife, or just a matter of financial security, where the woman will know that she can be safe. But is even thinking about those considerations wrong? Nope.

Wow! That was a lot of work for little to nothing. All you have basically said in just a more gentle way is that yes, women are superficial and then bizarrely, that's OK because it's widely accepted.

Newsflash: That's the problem I am addressing. Hello!

[grandpa]

Quote by: nine steps "Unfounded statistic. Do you have any support for this claim?" Are you *#*%%**&* kidding me? All I can conclude from a question like that is that you've never actually dated a woman before.

You were asked a perfectly reasonable question and offered a very weak reply. I'm not surprised.

I'll give you an example of my superficiality, okay? Yesterday I was sitting at a computer and there was a cute girl sitting next to me, and I tried to think of something interesting to say to her, based mostly on how she looked. That's superficiality. Girls do the same thing. It's hard to not do it, because it's just how we're designed.

It's no secret that many guys use pornography as well, straight or gay.
It's not just that we all objectify or hate women (or whoever we're viewing in such material), but we're lagely superficial, visual creatures. Again, we're just susceptible to superficiality.

Also, one of the likely reasons women are so superficial is that we historically have had a very male-dominated society. The male-dominated media pumps out images and propaganda that women should look a certain way, that they have to be weak and only be interested in love, sex and marriage. That too is no secret.

There are cultures where both sexes are less superficial. You should probably look into that as well.

Grandpa h.

[Epistemologist]

Quote by: nine steps Wow! That was a lot of work for little to nothing. All you have basically said in just a more gentle way is that yes, women are superficial and then bizarrely, that's OK because it's widely accepted. Newsflash: That's the problem I am addressing. Hello!

Nope, I'm saying considering money isn't necessarily superficial. Also, it wasn't much work, I get mucho pleasure from posting here, especially from reading extremist postings. Oo la la.

[nine steps]

Quote by: grandpa You were asked a perfectly reasonable question and offered a very weak reply. I'm not surprised. There are cultures where both sexes are less superficial. You should probably look into that as well.

You've got it backwards;asking a question like that is weak. It's not just weak, it's nothing more than a goofy and infantile way of just trying to deny what is obvious and 4 billion pound gorilla in your face everyday.

Hey, about this one?

Statement: "People who work earn money."

Response: "Hey- I'm going to need to see some statistics on that because I'm mentally retarded and have never left the house before." LOL

[Epistemologist]

Quote by: nine steps You've got it backwards;asking a question like that is weak. It's not just weak, it's nothing more than a goofy and infantile way of just trying to deny what is obvious and 4 billion pound gorilla in your face everyday. Hey, about this one? Statement: "People who work earn money." Response: "Hey- I'm going to need to see some statistics on that because I'm mentally retarded and have never left the house before." LOL

Calm down. Why are you so intent on claiming that all women are always superficials all the time? Even you should know that extreme, absolute statements aren't that great, especially when the evidence goes against them.

[grandpa]

Quote by: nine steps You've got it backwards;asking a question like that is weak. It's not just weak, it's nothing more than a goofy and infantile way of just trying to deny what is obvious and 4 billion pound gorilla in your face everyday.

So now it's a sign of weakness to ask elementary questions? You have a very bizarre approach to discussions, but I should expect that here, I suppose.

Now I ask you, how is it "goofy and infantile" (a whole level down from just being "weak," I'm sure) to ask for some basic proofs of your assertions? Keep in mind, you don't necessarily require statistics here, just a very compelling argument.

It's not obvious that women are more superficial to men, for reasons I've already presented.
I see men and women walking around fairly often in daily life, and there is little indication that women are more superficial than men. If anything, men have proven more superficial, which is why women wear makeup and get boob jobs to appeal to them. That's also part of why women marry for money, because plenty of men regard women as if they are prostitutes (superficiality there, to be sure). Trophy wives actually exist, and that kind of superficiality takes two (and ultimately probably more). Keep in mind, I'm not saying women aren't superficial, but you're ignoring the history of male-dominated cultures here.

Have you ever been in a locker room? Ever hear guys boast about "wanting to bang" so and so because she "is so hot"? This happens frequently, and is no secret. It's certainly superficiality. There are probably literally billions of other ways one could debunk your argument, however "weak, goofy and infantile" they may be.

Grandpa h.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Epistemologist Calm down. Why are you so intent on claiming that all women are always superficials all the time?

All he's doing is giving the people here a hard time.
He is clearly off course. It is kind of amusing.

Grandpa h.

[nine steps]

Quote by: Epistemologist Nope, I'm saying considering money isn't necessarily superficial.

When money is the deciding factor between marrying someone and not marrying someone there isn't anything that could be MORE superficial! That is topic here. Feel free to jump right in to the actual conversation anytime!

[Epistemologist]

But I'm saying that usually it's not the only deciding factor. Yes, when it's the only one, that's pretty superficial. But you're suggesting that marriages are all decided based on one and only one deciding factor each time. Your thinking, then, is quite flawed. And again, it would be great if you calmed down.

[Winter wind]

All i had to do was look at the topic and I was in stitches for hours.

Guys are the ones into cars.
Guys act tough to gain social status
Guys will spend hours at the gym without health in mind, but with how ripped they can make their body...cause.
Guys are more likely to marry for looks. Girls may marry for money but looks are much more superficial then money is. (and last a lot less time)

The list goes on and on. But I think that Superficial has less to do with sex then it does on culture. Culture will place value on superficial things.
Nine steps is probably a guy so he's less harsh against the superficial things guys do. I think...

But maybe your just hanging out with the wrong women. I know plenty of sharp women, starting with my grandma and mother

[grandpa]

I should also mention that, every great once in a while, a girl will flirt with me, and I'm by no means a looker, and especially not rich. So they can't all be so superficial.

Grandpa h.

[cassie]

Men and Women are both very superficial.But women arent necessarily more superficial then men. For example, as a woman, i don't go for guys that make more money than me. My Boyfriend actually makes less than me. And, although, looks are very important to me. Its more important that the person I am going to be with has a brain, and a personality. Men arent any more superficial than women are, though. Because, although it does matter to guys what a girl looks like, that isnt all they are interested in, either.

[nine steps]

Quote by: grandpa So now it's a sign of weakness to ask elementary questions? You have a very bizarre approach to discussions, but I should expect that here, I suppose.

It's bizarre that someone would have to ask for 'proof' that 90% of all women marry up. What is funny is that you cannot even see how ironic your condescending statement, "but I should expect that here, I suppose," is when you are presenting yourself as not even educated or experienced enough to know one of the most basic facts of life. If you really don't know that 90% of all women marry 'up,' then you need more than education, you need therapy.

[cassie]

Maybe at one point that was a fact of life, but in this day and age many women actually make more than their Significant others. And, although, i can see where you would get this idea, its not exactly true at this time.

[Winter wind]

It's bizarre that someone would have to ask for 'proof' that 90% of all women marry up. What is funny is that you cannot even see how ironic your condescending statement, "but I should expect that here, I suppose," is when you are presenting yourself as not even educated or experienced enough to know one of the most basic facts of life. If you really don't know that 90% of all women marry 'up,' then you need more than education, you need therapy.

which is more superficial, "marring up" or marring for looks. Don't tell me men don't marry for looks.

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: nine steps Sorry to be the one to break the news to you, but you need to be brought up to speed. According to all the stats, countless articles, and women themselves, marriages wherein the wife has a higher salary than the husband generally end in divorce in just under 3 years, so things are looking, well, pretty bleak for you. Women quickly lose all respect for men that earn less than they do. At first they will be accepting, but this changes due to their perception of the world. What your wife is laughing at is you.

So...basically...there is no workable solution for you, is there? If she has a lower salary, she's a leech and if she has a higher salary, it's doomed to failure. That's dreary.

[Jack]

If homosexuality were a choice, this thread would make a great recruiting tool.

[phoenix_fire]

Oh, no. I still wouldn't choose it. Women are crazy. Despite my peeves with men sometimes, the very things that make us different give us a chiral complementarity. I find masculinity intriguing.