Does Hijab or veil show islamic social ineptness?

[Arawn-ap-Hywel]

Does the wearing of the hajib or veil by Islamic females show us the inadequacy of their society?

Why do they hide their bodies and faces from the world?

Why do these females show a lack of confidence in their fellow humans, a disdain lack of trust of other males beyond their family circle?

Is it because their males are socially inept?

Is it because their males cannot look at any female (who is not related to them as mother or sister) without losing control of their very basest urges?

Are these males nothing more than lascivious lust in the flesh and beyond trusting by a civilised, society that can allow a female to both appreciated for all of her natural beauty and at the same time feel safe in the company of any gender?

Should we of the more civilised nations condemn such extremes of dress and refuse to allow the practice of wearing such outfits in public? A head scarf only being allowed if it worn in a chic and alluring manner

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Arawn-ap-Hywel Does the wearing of the hajib or veil by Islamic females show us the inadequacy of their society? Why do they hide their bodies and faces from the world? Why do these females show a lack of confidence in their fellow humans, a disdain lack of trust of other males beyond their family circle? Is it because their males are socially inept? Is it because their males cannot look at any female (who is not related to them as mother or sister) without losing control of their very basest urges? Are these males nothing more than lascivious lust in the flesh and beyond trusting by a civilised, society that can allow a female to both appreciated for all of her natural beauty and at the same time feel safe in the company of any gender? Should we of the more civilised nations condemn such extremes of dress and refuse to allow the practice of wearing such outfits in public? A head scarf only being allowed if it worn in a chic and alluring manner

It's about one thing: modesty.

[Jack]

One Islamic woman's opinion:

Islamic law provides women with a plethora of rights, from the right to financial autonomy (the right to make and keep her own earnings, own property, barter, trade, sell, obtain or grant loans, etc); the right to be maintained financially in a marriage (according to Islamic law, the man has the responsibility to provide for the needs of the family; if the woman chooses to work, she is not obliged to spend a single penny for the maintenance of the household; if she does, it is considered charity); the right to inherit; the right to seek an education; the right to consent to her marriage (no marriage is valid without a woman's consent in Islamic law); the right to a dowry or marital gift (this belongs to the woman alone, not to her parents or husband); the right to participate in the political affairs of her country; the right to vote; etc. While Muslim women owned property, inherited property and established endowments as far back as the 7 th century and throughout Islamic history, let's not forget that in our own country, the United States of America, it was not until 1839 that the first state, Mississippi, granted women the right to hold property in their own name, but only with their husband's permission. Despite all of this, the greatest beef some feminist critics have with Islam is the hijab – the mandatory covering of a woman's hair and body. Although religious scholars ascertain that this is a fard or religious obligation, it is ultimately each woman's prerogative to decide whether or not she will cover her hair. No one – not a father, husband, or bother – can ever force a woman to cover against her will, or that in fact violates the Quranic spirit of "let there be no compulsion in religion." I have personally decided to wear the hijab and I relish in the freedom the hijab gives me, the freedom from having my body exposed as a sex object or from being judged on a scale of 1-10 by strange men who have no right to know what my body or hair look like. For Muslim women, the hijab is a form of modesty, security and protection, shifting the focus of attention from a woman's physical attraction, or lack thereof, to the personality that lies beneath. By forcing people to look beyond her physical realm, a woman is valued for her intellect, personality and merit. More importantly, however, is that I wear my hijab for God. My belief in God and my ultimate accountability before God is the driving force of my behavior in life. My desire to be with God in the hereafter motivates me to make certain sacrifices even if they might make me unpopular or elicit ridicule by others. Even if others perceive me as a victim of patriarchy or as oppressed or uneducated due to my hijab, I recognize that my happiness, success and destiny in this life and the next are in the hands of God alone, not anyone else's.

Hadia Mubarak: OnFaith on washingtonpost.com

[Praxius]

The coverage of most of their body is kinda along the lines of no sex before marriage in Christian society.

Basically in their culture from my understanding, is that those parts of the female body are to be reserved for their husband's pleasure and "worship" perhaps, not to be exposed to other men who they do not know.

Think of it as what occured in the 1950's in US culture and abroad where women were practically in Ronald McDonald suits when they went to the beach, and where exposing anything above the ankle was indecent exposure.

So in other words, Western culture isn't that far ahead of their culture, if you want to look at it that way, as it was not even 50 years ago where similar practices were being used here.

[Arawn-ap-Hywel]

Quote by: Praxius So in other words, Western culture isn't that far ahead of their culture, if you want to look at it that way, as it was not even 50 years ago where similar practices were being used here.

and for pretty well the same reasons, women were chattels and man could not be trusted to think with anything but what is between his legs

it shows a lack of self control and lack of recognition of a female as another and equal human being

[jose]

If your lucky enough, you should see what they ware under the hijab
and its just for you

[Praxius]

Quote by: jose If your lucky enough, you should see what they ware under the hijab and its just for you

Bom Chicka Wah Wah!

[shawmutt]

To say this is to say the same thing about Mennonites and the Amish in the U.S.

[Arawn-ap-Hywel]

Quote by: shawmutt To say this is to say the same thing about Mennonites and the Amish in the U.S.

if the cap fits, then yes

[tinybear]

Quote by: Chancellor It's about one thing: modesty.

Ya think? Nah, I think it's about men protecting their possessions (i.e. women) from other men's prying eyes.

[Arawn-ap-Hywel]

Quote by: tinybear Ya think? Nah, I think it's about men protecting their possessions (i.e. women) from other men's prying eyes.

tinybear you truly are to nice and very generous

[tinybear]

Shall I take that as a compliment?

[Arawn-ap-Hywel]

Quote by: tinybear Shall I take that as a compliment?

tinybear you may

for that is how it was intended

[another day]

Social ineptness is certainly not the reason, but it's likely the result. Leading such stiff lives all around prevents much real, human interaction between people, whether it's hardcore muslims or uptight conservative types. They all follow the way of life that says you must adhere to strict social rules when conversing and communicating with people.

[phoenix_fire]

I've never understood Muslim girls who wear the hijab to conceal their hair, but who wear clothing that leaves little ambiguity as to certain other feminine attributes. I dunno if maybe it's different in other cultures, but when a guy is checking you out, seems like he's not overly concerned with concentrating on your hair. Unless its some strange kind of fetish that I'm not aware of.

[tinybear]

Phoenix, what are you talking about? They are literally covered up from head to toe.

[Maryjane]

By forcing people to look beyond her physical realm, a woman is valued for her intellect, personality and merit.

So it's a passive aggressive form of control? While on the other hand a feminist would say...WTF's your problem? and come off as a bitch for standing up for herself.
Who's the socially inept one?

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: tinybear Phoenix, what are you talking about? They are literally covered up from head to toe.

Does that prevent something from being very form fitting? Having something very form fitting does not seem to synch with the standard of modesty set by the hijab.

[Praxius]

Quote by: phoenix_fire Does that prevent something from being very form fitting? Having something very form fitting does not seem to synch with the standard of modesty set by the hijab.

Example?

[Chancellor]

Quote by: tinybear Phoenix, what are you talking about? They are literally covered up from head to toe.

You might be thinking of the burkha, not the hijab.

Here's a website that shows women in burkhas: Afghanistan on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

Here's one that shows pictures of women wearing the hijab: Flickr: Photos tagged with hijab