Social Bias on the campus

[HelioPrime]

Why does it seem that we defend the actions of the glitz and glamour crowd while attacking anyone who isn't part of the "in crowd?"

Recently at another campus here in CT there was a girl who fell from the upper level of one of the campus garages. For days e-mails have been sent out, even across the state here in Stores (UConn) We have been getting updates. Never has the cause of what happened been brought into question. Instead it seems everyone has been all up in arms about sending their love and support, connecting if your touched or depressed by this event, contact campus ministry or social services if your think of killing yourself....

From the president:
Even though I spent several hours last evening at the hospital with the family of Cherolle Brown, I can’t begin to express to you the grief they are experiencing. I returned to the hospital earlier this morning to try to learn more but, as is appropriate, the hospital was not able to provide me with any further information. I want to assure you that Cherolle’s family will continue to receive our support.

This incident has also deeply touched the campus, and I do want to say that the response yesterday from all corners of the University was excellent. Professor Charles Mate-Kole gathered Cherolle’s friends and spoke with them and listened to their concerns. The director of Counseling & Wellness Tim Corbitt, Victoria Ginter, the Campus Ministry and others in the office of Student Affairs under Dr. Margaret Toston’s leadership reached out to students and friends in Cherolle’s residence hall and elsewhere. And the University police are doing an excellent job on their investigation. I thank everyone for the assistance they have provided and for the ongoing support that I know many are providing as I write this.

As our prayers and hopes go out for Cherolle, we also need to remember the University community needs to support her friends and classmates. If you see someone who needs help, please point that person in the right direction. We don’t always recognize that we may need emotional support—in response to this crisis or out of our own emotional or psychological pains—we should not be afraid to ask for help. There are many services and interventions available on campus, and the Office of Counseling and Wellness (832-1945) and the Campus Ministry (832-1935) are increasing their availability during this time. We will do everything we can to attend to the needs of students, faculty and staff.

With the upcoming Thanksgiving break, I hope that each and every one of us, while we are thinking about Cherolle and her family, will truly recognize our own blessings.

Jack Miller

President

Ok well to those of us lucky enough to know this girl, she is a sorority girl, and the night in question was on the upper level of the garage because its where she and her friends were pre-gaming while waiting to meet up before heading into the city for the night (Hartford = city). She was drunk and fell off the edge. Oh poor her, she got what she deserved.

So why is it that bit of info will never be public? Yet if these had been black students or kids from a ghetto town they wouldn't have been given 5 minutes of news time. Makes me really hate society and the way we worship the supreme white upperclass race.

[brien]

She was drunk and fell off the edge. Oh poor her, she got what she deserved. So why is it that bit of info will never be public? Yet if these had been black students or kids from a ghetto town they wouldn't have been given 5 minutes of news time. Makes me really hate society and the way we worship the supreme white upperclass race.

So if this unfortunate woman was a member of the minority, would you have also said about her:

Oh poor her, she got what she deserved.

I fail to see the connection between skin color and circumstances. I live in Windham county and probably was away when this happened, so was it a major / minor story in the Norwch Bulletin, The NL Day or even the Hartford Courant?

I think the reason that her inebriation was kept out of the news probably has more to do with autopsy and cause of death rather than speculation regarding public drunkeness. By the time the cause of death is acertained, the story is no longer news. I have to state that skin color here is irrelevant and probably has nothing to do with the:

"way we worship the supreme white upperclass race."

Whatever this means.

[Praxius]

I see what you mean and I agree.... trying to glorify someone for being stupid isn't what should be done here.... instead, there should have been lectures on responsibilities and examples of what not to do.... possibly restricting people from drinking in that area next time or something......

But then they probably have to worry about getting sued, so they have to make a big tribute to her and her idiot ways.

See, this is why I don't drink anymore

But would have the same thing occured if she was of another race? Well think about it.... do you think any campus wants to have anybody die on it, regardless of their race or gender? To me, they did approach this in the best manner for damage control to make it seem like they actually cared.... and perhaps they did.

But perhaps to better strengthen your defense, perhaps you can show a similar example of this in regards to someone of a different race.

[Sweet Katie]

I agree with you entirely. Unfortunately, humans are animals with emotions and it's more difficult to practice simple logic in reality than it is to discuss it in theory.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: HelioPrime Why does it seem that we defend the actions of the glitz and glamour crowd while attacking anyone who isn't part of the "in crowd?" Recently at another campus here in CT there was a girl who fell from the upper level of one of the campus garages. For days e-mails have been sent out, even across the state here in Stores (UConn) We have been getting updates. Never has the cause of what happened been brought into question. Instead it seems everyone has been all up in arms about sending their love and support, connecting if your touched or depressed by this event, contact campus ministry or social services if your think of killing yourself.... From the president: Even though I spent several hours last evening at the hospital with the family of Cherolle Brown, I can’t begin to express to you the grief they are experiencing. I returned to the hospital earlier this morning to try to learn more but, as is appropriate, the hospital was not able to provide me with any further information. I want to assure you that Cherolle’s family will continue to receive our support. This incident has also deeply touched the campus, and I do want to say that the response yesterday from all corners of the University was excellent. Professor Charles Mate-Kole gathered Cherolle’s friends and spoke with them and listened to their concerns. The director of Counseling & Wellness Tim Corbitt, Victoria Ginter, the Campus Ministry and others in the office of Student Affairs under Dr. Margaret Toston’s leadership reached out to students and friends in Cherolle’s residence hall and elsewhere. And the University police are doing an excellent job on their investigation. I thank everyone for the assistance they have provided and for the ongoing support that I know many are providing as I write this. As our prayers and hopes go out for Cherolle, we also need to remember the University community needs to support her friends and classmates. If you see someone who needs help, please point that person in the right direction. We don’t always recognize that we may need emotional support—in response to this crisis or out of our own emotional or psychological pains—we should not be afraid to ask for help. There are many services and interventions available on campus, and the Office of Counseling and Wellness (832-1945) and the Campus Ministry (832-1935) are increasing their availability during this time. We will do everything we can to attend to the needs of students, faculty and staff. With the upcoming Thanksgiving break, I hope that each and every one of us, while we are thinking about Cherolle and her family, will truly recognize our own blessings. Jack Miller President Ok well to those of us lucky enough to know this girl, she is a sorority girl, and the night in question was on the upper level of the garage because its where she and her friends were pre-gaming while waiting to meet up before heading into the city for the night (Hartford = city). She was drunk and fell off the edge. Oh poor her, she got what she deserved. So why is it that bit of info will never be public? Yet if these had been black students or kids from a ghetto town they wouldn't have been given 5 minutes of news time. Makes me really hate society and the way we worship the supreme white upperclass race.

Now, Helio, you know full well that if it hadn't been some rich white girl the story and the response would have been entirely different.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: brien So if this unfortunate woman was a member of the minority, would you have also said about her, "Oh poor her, she got what she deserved."

Well, I wouldn't have said "Oh, poor her" but I would have said something along the lines of "Well, she had no business being up there and had no business drinking" (I suspect she was not of legal drinking age).

I fail to see the connection between skin color and circumstances. I live in Windham county and probably was away when this happened, so was it a major / minor story in the Norwch Bulletin, The NL Day or even the Hartford Courant?

The difference is in what the reaction to it would have been.

I think the reason that her inebriation was kept out of the news probably has more to do with autopsy and cause of death rather than speculation regarding public drunkeness. By the time the cause of death is acertained, the story is no longer news. I have to state that skin color here is irrelevant and probably has nothing to do with the, "way we worship the supreme white upperclass race."

It's really simple, the rich white girl gets good press so as to make people feel sorry for her. Everyone else gets publicly trashed for doing something stupid (as the rich white girl should have).

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: brien I fail to see the connection between skin color and circumstances. I live in Windham county and probably was away when this happened, so was it a major / minor story in the Norwch Bulletin, The NL Day or even the Hartford Courant? I think the reason that her inebriation was kept out of the news probably has more to do with autopsy and cause of death rather than speculation regarding public drunkeness. By the time the cause of death is acertained, the story is no longer news. I have to state that skin color here is irrelevant and probably has nothing to do with the: .

Courant.com
Story was on evening news as well.

For the fall of a drunk girl in the days after it happened it bugs me why they don't report the fact she had been up their drinking. Police are still investigating my ass.....

Since your from CT you remember when those 4 yale students were killed in a car crash on I-95? Ever here about the drugs and alcohol in the car? Of course not.


The real issue here is how the media portrays this with a screen to bring about sympathy. Students around the state are holding prayer groups and going to therapy over a fallen drunk girl. Pathetic. Don't people have better things to do than spread lies like this.

Had the fall involved perhaps a group of black teens who were not students, or arab or whatever minority you choose I doubt there would have been such an attempt to create a public response.

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Praxius But would have the same thing occured if she was of another race? Well think about it.... do you think any campus wants to have anybody die on it, regardless of their race or gender? To me, they did approach this in the best manner for damage control to make it seem like they actually cared.... and perhaps they did. But perhaps to better strengthen your defense, perhaps you can show a similar example of this in regards to someone of a different race.

I'd have it dig into archives but like I mentioned above around the same date the 4 yale students were hit by a truck and killed 2 kids from east hartford died in an auto accident as well.

4 white law school students vs 2 kids from a "ghetto" town (best way to describe east hartford)

On the 4 Yale students the media NEVER touched on what was found in the car, and they made the front pages with lots of quotes and teary eyed relatives and officials.

Did the 2 east hartford students receive anything? A paragraph on the deaths of 2 teens while driving, police suspect drugs or alcohol involved. Nothing more was ever given.

[HelioPrime]

Oh. Well should mention I guess I didn't make it clear in the OP, but she survived the fall with condition listed as unknown as the current time.

[jennyct]

ARE you absolutely, positively sure this was a "rich white girl?" Or even the circumstances surrounding her death? Is your source reliable? Do a search on google and you'll see her name associated with Maloney High School (not a rich person's school) in Meriden, and her membership in Africana Students Organization (ASO) at CCSU.

[Praxius]

Quote by: HelioPrime Courant.com Story was on evening news as well. For the fall of a drunk girl in the days after it happened it bugs me why they don't report the fact she had been up their drinking. Police are still investigating my ass..... Since your from CT you remember when those 4 yale students were killed in a car crash on I-95? Ever here about the drugs and alcohol in the car? Of course not. The real issue here is how the media portrays this with a screen to bring about sympathy. Students around the state are holding prayer groups and going to therapy over a fallen drunk girl. Pathetic. Don't people have better things to do than spread lies like this. Had the fall involved perhaps a group of black teens who were not students, or arab or whatever minority you choose I doubt there would have been such an attempt to create a public response.

Well that's disapointing, as here, if information is there for the media, the information is provided... regardless of race, gender or location.

If it's known she was drinking, and people were there who witnessed it and know she was drinking, then why don't they report it?

Then again, if they are investigating, then wait and see what happens when they are done.... and hound their asses until there is answers.... say you were concerned or something

[socialPsyence]

Helio, you are a fool. Get your facts straight before you start formulating theories about who did what, and what the media's approach to the event was based on what race you think the girl was.

First of all, she's not some rich white girl.

Second, it wasn't from drinking. It happened at 2:30 in the afternoon, no pre-partying, and was likely an attempted suicide.

Third, it hasn't been days.. it happened yesterday

Fourth, it's called "Storrs" and you live around here?

Clueless

[jennyct]

Student Suicide Attempt at CCSU « Knitting Clio

A professor says it's a suicide attempt. I also know she had a class at 4pm and it happened at 2:30 pm. So yeah, I would be interested as to why you wrote this.

[Suburbanite]

She deserved it? You've never gotten drunk and done something stupid? How do you spend your Saturdays?

[Little Red]

You clearly have NO idea what you are talking about. I am a student here at Central and the girl that fell fell at 2:30 in the afternoon. it happened yesterday AFTERNOON while she was supposed to be in class. If you knew anything, they released her name around 6:00 last night. She was not drunk and it was not night time. You have no idea what it is like to be here right now. People are praying for her because we care about her. I don't know what you are trying to prove, but you are quite insensitive to post on a topic that you don't even have full information on.

[Little Red]

And my the way, claiming you know the person is just asinine. I am beside myself of the things that you have said. You need to think before you post false information or critcize someone. You have NO IDEA what happened, which is clear from what you have written. Oh and not to mention... Cherolle's an African American student.

[Praxius]

And thus the difference between information and assumptions....

It would have been nice if the OP supplied information about this prior to telling us all she was drunk at a party.

Nice to see how communication works around campus.

So now that there has been a bit of enlightenment on the matter, clearly the first post was the racist factor.

But then again... if she commited suicide, that's even more stupid and therefore she had it coming to her even more so... she did it herself.

So therefore if it wasn't an accident and she did it on purpose.... then all the sympathy stuff is just as bad.

I mean I understand condolences for those who knew her and their emotional baggage, but if she killed herslef, I don't have much sympathy.

[socialPsyence]

What exactly did she have coming to her in the first place? I don't understand the premise of this part of the argument either. And nobody is asking for your sympathy Praxius, but if you are incapable of feeling pity for people who are suffering from mental illness to the point where they take their own life, then I feel sympathy for you.

[Jack]

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[yourmom]

Ok first off...
She was not in a sorority here at CCSU...we only have one active one and she is not in it...
Second she was black so stop trying to act like this is a huge deal because she was white...because last time I checked she is black...so nice try on that one..

she was not drunk, it happened at 230pm up on the top floor, there was no drinking involved and it was an attempt on taking her own life...

my campus has been really upset about this and concerned for her and her family and friends so stop trying to make this a racial thing, because it is not.
instead spend your time on speaking for something worth mentioning... preventing things like this...

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