Social Bias on the campus

[HelioPrime]

Well then the information was not correct. Funny it was people who claimed to be her friends who talked about this in class.

And seriously grow up and stop creating multiple accounts.

And further she was a SOPHOMORE AND IT WAS AT NIGHT!

I doubt the whole suicide idea. Something they would cook up to try and not throw a bad image on the campus.

Odd how the major paper conflicts with an online knitting circle.

[socialPsyence]

These aren't multiple accounts, you just managed to anger a lot of people it seems. And it happened at 2:30, I work at the building next to the garage, I saw the police come and shut the area down at that time. The people who are responding to you are CCSU students, so I don't understand why you think you know what you are talking about since you are on a different campus entirely, getting information from people who obviously knew very little about her or the incident.

And the papers won't say suicide at this moment because it hasn't been firmly established, they don't want to get slapped with a libel suit.

2:30 PM might be afternoon, but it's not at night. Gimme a break.

[HelioPrime]

“Sometime between 12:15 and 12:45 a.m. CCSU EMTs came to the scene and then the student was transported to a local hospital,” said Associate Vice President Mark McLaughlin of CCSU Media Relations.

Wheres the 2:30? I guess its all media coverup then?

[somepeople]

I'd love to know what your major is at Uconn and how you even got in because your grammar is horrendous and you don't even know how to spell the town your University is in leading me to believe you do not even attend school there. I hope your major is not journalism because you don't even know the facts. I feel that you post based on what people said about her that "knew" her from high school. Do you know her? If she is an African American student what is your argument about bias now? I think you like to talk a big talk but you don't know what your arguing about. You are sensationalizing the whole race issue. People that do so grow hate inside themselves from making a big deal out of the coincidence that possibly more white people get media attention. Could it be that Connecticut (according to the most recent census bureau) is 84.9% white, that could be the reason white people are in the media more.
On a similar note, I have several friends who are white and died in car accidents or other tragic accidents and received no media at at. I think the reason the CCSU incident received media attention was because it was out of the ordinary.
As to the fall if it was suicide, suicide is a terrible thing and I feel if she tried to kill her self she was not well and it was a call for help and people should not say she deserved it. What if she was drunk, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".

[somepeople]

The Herald - Central students encourage sophomore fall victim to pull through on Facebook
the New Britain Herald article, notice the time.

Student Falls Off Parking Garage -- Courant.com
The Hartford Courant Article, notice the time

[Maryjane]

Why does it seem that we defend the actions of the glitz and glamour crowd while attacking anyone who isn't part of the "in crowd?"

I find myself doing the opposite...

(temporary break/ aol lock up)

Not to bring religion into this but as an atheist, I've always felt a bit of an outsider and as such, not part of the "in crowd" so it comes natural to me not to condem anyone because they are different.

[Jason]

Quote by: somepeople The Herald - Central students encourage sophomore fall victim to pull through on Facebook the New Britain Herald article, notice the time. Student Falls Off Parking Garage -- Courant.com The Hartford Courant Article, notice the time

That was certainly a turn in the discussion, I think. People are much too quick to make assumptions without knowing all the facts, and the sad thing is that often these assumptions are hurtful and—more importantly—inaccurate.

I think this was a tragic event, and we all have a lot to learn from it. If not about the event itself, at least about societal reactions and finger-pointing.

What do you do when you're caught being a hypocrite? I think the only honorable thing to do is to admit your mistake and learn from it.

Sorry to be didactic. But, the world's gotta change.

[dreaminlies]

First of all... I dont believe a Uconn student has any business posting opinions that race or white supremacy had anything to do with the news coverage of Wednesday's tragic incident. YOU werent there. I was. I parked on the top floor of the garage around the same time as Cherolle jumped, and this is a fact because I was unable to exit the garage at 2:45 PM because she had just jumped and the exits were all blocked off! EMT's were JUST arriving to stabilize her and transport her to the hospital as i was exiting the gargage. So, Stop assuming you know what youre talking about when you have NO idea. It happened at 2:30 p.m. , there was NO alcohol involved, the student was AFRICAN AMERICAN, and clearly, it was a suicide attempt. Us CCSU students are terribly upset over this incident and we should be feeling sorry for the students who actually witnessed the jump itself who were seen by my own two eyes crying and holding eachother on the nearby sidewalk because they had clearly witnessed the horrific fall. Its skeptical bastards like those who post lies that give people the wrong message and turn everything back around to focus on race, class, and white supremacy. Get over yourself, and get the facts straight before posting lies.

[Jack]

I dont believe a Uconn student has any business posting opinions that race or white supremacy had anything to do with the news coverage of Wednesday's tragic incident.

Have Uconn students surrendered their freedom of speech? I don't recall the Constitution demanding correctness in the first amendment.

YOU werent there. I was.

Oh, OK, so only people who were on the scene have the right to post their opinions?

Get over yourself, and get the facts straight before posting lies.

Why would you presume intentional lying? Isn't it possible the person was misinformed and only posted what he believed to be the case?

[brien]

For the fall of a drunk girl in the days after it happened it bugs me why they don't report the fact she had been up their drinking. Police are still investigating my ass..... Since your from CT you remember when those 4 yale students were killed in a car crash on I-95? Ever here about the drugs and alcohol in the car? Of course not.

You are totally disregarding the time it takes to do an autopsy and for the M.E. to issue the report. The news of the accident is immediate and the M.E.'s report lags by days or even weeks.

The media can't just report the girl was drunk or the students were drugged up w/o any evidence to back it up from the M.E.'s office. If they did, it would be irresponsible reporting on their part. However, if the police make a statement that drugs or alcohol are suspected in the case, the media can choose to report this of leave it out b/c it is only a suspicion.

The real issue here is how the media portrays this with a screen to bring about sympathy.

What else would you have them do? Report with an attitude like: "Oh well, too bad. Accidents happen everyday"? Or worse, report with utter disdain for the victim like: "serves her right for being in the wrong place at the wrong time"? Or perhaps, with a sprinkle of contempt like: "Stupid girl, she should have been more careful"? Please, do you not have some compassion for the victim's family, no matter what their race, gender, or socio-economic class is here?

Had the fall involved perhaps a group of black teens who were not students, or arab or whatever minority you choose I doubt there would have been such an attempt to create a public response.

This is speculation on your part. Do you have any examples? In fact, I recall two black students recently robbed and shot execution style in Newark NJ. It was all over the news. Granted it wasn't a accident, but nevertheless, it was a classic case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time and the case generated a tidal wave of sympathy for the victims.

I still don't see the distinction you underline between class, race and socio-economic class with regard to news organizations and their legal and / or moral responsibility toward the public. I think you are mistakenly whipping up resentment against the news media for doing their job in a compassionate and responsible manner. Furthermore, I utterly fail to see any racial prejudice in this situation by comparing it to speculative instances that don't exist in reality. Sorry.

[Praxius]

Quote by: socialPsyence What exactly did she have coming to her in the first place? I don't understand the premise of this part of the argument either. And nobody is asking for your sympathy Praxius, but if you are incapable of feeling pity for people who are suffering from mental illness to the point where they take their own life, then I feel sympathy for you.

As a balancing act to civilize it to Ish's request before it begins... I will respond to clarify my stance on this.

1st, this doesn't have any offense to me, if you wish to feel this way about me, so be it... it's not like it will ruin my day or anything.

But besides that, you are not currently aware of my own dealings with suicide at a very young age, as well as last year dealing with a lot of deaths, being paul barrers for many, and then being thrown on Anti-depressants for a period.

I know some of the things that goes through someone's mind during suicidal times in their lives... many have different reasons, but the choices and outcome are usually the same.

Quite frankly in relation to this topic... of course I have no pity for this person..... much as I imagine nobody would have had pity for me if I commited suicide.

Nobody's life is all Buttons and Biscuits, and we will all face challeneges through our lives that will test our limits and tollerances..... and not everybody's gonna make it through.

She killed herself in a manner in which it would get immediate attention from those around her.... yeah.... poor poor her.

I wonder if she realized that if she took out student loans or other loans to goto school, that now her parents have to pay for it all, since they don't count suicide as an accidental death?

Hopefully she and her family were rich, because nobody covers suicides.... so if she had loans, not only would the parents have to pay that all off, but also the funeral costs and other.

[brien]

It seems from the reports she did fall at 2:30PM.

Student Falls Off Parking Garage -- Courant.com

NEW BRITAIN - A Central Connecticut State University student was seriously injured in a fall from the top of a campus parking garage Wednesday afternoon, campus police said. The student, Cherolle Brown, was taken to a local hospital after falling about 2:30 p.m. from the Welte Garage near Route 71 and Ella T. Grasso Boulevard, police said. Police did not provide the name of the hospital. Brown's condition was unavailable late Wednesday. Police were still investigating but said there was no indication of foul play

Interesting how the OP was so inaccurate, contained foolish assumptions, and pointed the finger at the media. Hmmmmmmm

[Praxius]

Quote by: brien Interesting how the OP was so inaccurate, contained foolish assumptions, and pointed the finger at the media. Hmmmmmmm

Boo this man.... BOOOOOO!

[Dan_77]

Quote by: brien Interesting how the OP was so inaccurate, contained foolish assumptions, and pointed the finger at the media. Hmmmmmmm

Interesting says you, "typical" says me.


So, Helio, are you ready to retract your entire post and apologize for (at least) starting a discussion based upon facts you had no clue about? It seems considering the people who have joined the discussion to be the decent thing to do.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: tivodan1116 Interesting says you, "typical" says me. So, Helio, are you ready to retract your entire post and apologize for (at least) starting a discussion based upon facts you had no clue about? It seems considering the people who have joined the discussion to be the decent thing to do.

He could retract the example he used but his question at the beginning of his post, as a general topic for debate, is worth exploring:

Why does it seem that we defend the actions of the glitz and glamour crowd while attacking anyone who isn't part of the "in crowd?"

[Maryjane]

I was trying to steer the discussion in that direction...

I commend Jason for his attempt at damage control. Agreed, we can all learn from this.

Heilo,
Come on man, do the right thing...apologize and set another example so we can continue the debate.

[Praxius]

New guys can't apologize.... that would be a sign of weakness jk

[Maryjane]

Can't or won't? Being accountable for a mistake is a sign of character, not weakness.

[Praxius]

notice the jk at the end..... most usually see that as a joke

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Jason That was certainly a turn in the discussion, I think. People are much too quick to make assumptions without knowing all the facts, and the sad thing is that often these assumptions are hurtful and—more importantly—inaccurate. I think this was a tragic event, and we all have a lot to learn from it. If not about the event itself, at least about societal reactions and finger-pointing. What do you do when you're caught being a hypocrite? I think the only honorable thing to do is to admit your mistake and learn from it. Sorry to be didactic. But, the world's gotta change.

Well looks like my information wasn't accurate. Sorry for the posting and assumptions. Although IMO to certain people I was a member of VIBE, meaning white people can still be part of diversity groups. Saying someone is part of a group doesn't make them logically not white.

Still I think its an interesting topic what Praxius is bringing up. Why should be come to the aid of people who choose to take their own life?

I guess we can continue on the subject of how we treat suicide. Coming to their aid and giving them attention seems to be a way to influence people to WANT to attempt to end their life.