marijuana

[whicker08]

marijuana will never be legalized. Don't get me wrong i am a huge supporter of the legalization of marijuana but it wont be legalized. Lets think about it right quick...the alcohol industry gives the government billions of dollars to help fund with what ever they need. they don't come right out and say this, of course, they instead go through third parties to get the money but never-the-less its coming from the alcohol industry. Now about 30 or 40 years back a study was taken to see how much Americans spent on alcohol a day and it was estimated to be about $40,000,000 a day. Now lets say marijuana is legalized and sold in stores around the country. You walk into the store and see a twenty sack ($20) and a thirty pack sitting next to each other. the thirty pack will last about 1 to 2 days depending on how much u drink and the twenty sack will last most smokers 3 to 4 days. The alcohol industry looses money therefor the government looses money, and we all know how money hungry our government is...

[grandpa]

Quote by: whicker08 marijuana will never be legalized. Don't get me wrong i am a huge supporter of the legalization of marijuana but it wont be legalized.

As the saying goes, never say never.

Grandpa h.

[Derach]

Whicker - of all the reasons to NOT legalize pot ... that's the worst one I've ever heard.

You are suggesting that special interest groups from the alcohol industry are going to pay the government because they view legal pot as a threat to their industry ... that's just nuts. People don't drink beer because pot's illegal. They buy beer and then they go to a dealer and risk life and limb to spend $50 or more for the same amound of weed in that $20 sack you mentioned ... and the state doesn't get a penny from that sale.

I would contest that the alcohol industry would WANT legalized pot because a) pot heads will have more money to spend on booze because weed will be much cheaper ... and b) because alcohol would probably be available at the same venue as pot, so pot heads could make 2 purchases at one point of sale .... it's unlikely a pothead goes from drug dealer to package store to get booze ... but if it's all there, legal, at the same store ... why not?

I also think there is a growing realization of the falacy of marijuana being one of the subjects of the 'war on drugs' and the huge resources being spent to wage war on otherwise mostly peaceful people.


On a side note ... if you want to go somewhere to really enjoy and savor the happy fruit .... hit Jamaica ... That $20 sack that costs about $50-80 on the street sells for about $1.25 and it's the best weed this side of the 1970's.

[ruksak]

Quote by: Derach You are suggesting that special interest groups from the alcohol industry are going to pay the government because they view legal pot as a threat to their industry ... that's just nuts.

No. Whicker was dead nuts correct. The alcohol industry, as well as the pharmaceutical industry overtly view marijuana as competition. The alcohol industry dumps millions of dollars into special interest groups dedicated to keeping marijuana illegal.

Do you remember the "This is your brain on drugs" commercials? They were produced by an ad agency, disguising itself as a well meaning anti-drug lobby group, known as the PDFA. The commercials were largely financed by alcohol and pharmaceutical companies, and I'll give you just one guess as to why.

Partnership for a Drug-Free America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

PDFA was the subject of criticism when it was revealed that their federal tax returns showed that they had received several million dollars worth of funding from major pharmaceutical, tobacco and alcohol corporations, an issue which has been linked to the organization's lack of media discouraging the misuse of legal drugs.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: ruksak No. Whicker was dead nuts correct. The alcohol industry, as well as the pharmaceutical industry overtly view marijuana as competition. The alcohol industry dumps millions of dollars into special interest groups dedicated to keeping marijuana illegal. Do you remember the "This is your brain on drugs" commercials? They were produced by an ad agency, disguising itself as a well meaning anti-drug lobby group, known as the PDFA. The commercials were largely financed by alcohol and pharmaceutical companies, and I'll give you just one guess as to why. Partnership for a Drug-Free America - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now similar adds run on each States Add Council programs which operate on the tobacco settlement monies, anf tax dollars.


Isn't it benevolent of them to use their ill gotten tobacco money to fight the War on Drugs?

[ruksak]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Now similar adds run on each States Add Council programs which operate on the tobacco settlement monies, anf tax dollars. Isn't it benevolent of them to use their ill gotten tobacco money to fight the War on Drugs?

This is why, whether I agree with you or not, Milton, I appreciate your knack of questioning everything that the television attempts to flicker into our brains.

Never believe what that pixelated box has to say before you check it out for yourself. There isn't anything on television that isn't driven by special interests and millions of dollars.

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: Milton Bradley Marijuana can be ingested as well. The buzz is slightly different, and more long term, but eating it is every bit as effectivce as smoking it.

Guess I'd have to start cooking more. (he, he)

[Chaossaber314]

I'm actually shocked that we seem to be having a civil / reasonable discussing on drugs.

I think it was only just last year that Keith was trying to convince everyone that heroin withdrawals are comparable to a mild flu. That's the sort of comment that make decent discussion impossible. I'm glad everyone seems to be trying to keep this factual.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 I'm actually shocked that we seem to be having a civil / reasonable discussing on drugs. I think it was only just last year that Keith was trying to convince everyone that heroin withdrawals are comparable to a mild flu. That's the sort of comment that make decent discussion impossible. I'm glad everyone seems to be trying to keep this factual.

The effects of drugs on the body, and mind can be different for each individual.


I can attest from experimentation that I can use several drugs recreationally, with few, or no side effects.


Whenever I get into these threads about the banning of substances, I always imagine the government of Brazil attempting to educate their more remote populations on just which leaves it is that they're not allowed to graze upon.


Because that's just how silly this argument seems to me.

[Chaossaber314]

Quote by: Milton Bradley The effects of drugs on the body, and mind can be different for each individual.

While that is true, I think you can agree that if you are addicted to a substance, any substance, to the point that you're suffering withdrawals, comparing them to a mild flu is disingenuous at best. The very nature of the term "withdrawals" somewhat precludes itself from such a term as "mild" let alone in the context of the common cold.

[another day]

Quote by: Milton Bradley The effects of drugs on the body, and mind can be different for each individual. I can attest from experimentation that I can use several drugs recreationally, with few, or no side effects. Whenever I get into these threads about the banning of substances, I always imagine the government of Brazil attempting to educate their more remote populations on just which leaves it is that they're not allowed to graze upon. Because that's just how silly this argument seems to me.

You might have experimented but if you haven't had a heroin habit, you can't know how horrible the withdrawal must be for a real addict. Never done heroin myself but I have read Junky by William S. Burroughs, who was addicted to heroin for 50 years until he died at 86 or something (yes, he did live that long, surprise surprise), and the way he writes about it, it seems more like the worst experience of anyone's life, let alone a mild flu.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Chaossaber314 While that is true, I think you can agree that if you are addicted to a substance, any substance, to the point that you're suffering withdrawals, comparing them to a mild flu is disingenuous at best. The very nature of the term "withdrawals" somewhat precludes itself from such a term as "mild" let alone in the context of the common cold.

Perhaps he was just using the vernacular that the people asking the questions were familiar with, and the persons reactions could be classified as "mild", or "flu like", I don't know.


I would be inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt since we know that agenda is not being forwarded by monied interests. Plus, it sort of mirrors my own experience with synthetic narcotics, barbituates, and opiates.

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: another day You might have experimented but if you haven't had a heroin habit, you can't know how horrible the withdrawal must be for a real addict. Never done heroin myself but I have read Junky by William S. Burroughs, who was addicted to heroin for 50 years until he died at 86 or something (yes, he did live that long, surprise surprise), and the way he writes about it, it seems more like the worst experience of anyone's life, let alone a mild flu.

I'm fairly convinced that I did have an poropoxyphene addiction, but I kicked it myself, and I had no real negative side effects other than the desire to ingest more for the "buzz".


I never actually stuck a needle in my body, but the doctor has, and I have self medicated a number of times for medical, and recreational purposes. I firmly believe I could use heroin recreationally if I had the courage to inject it. I have played with the synthetic equivalents many times.

[Ken Carman]

While it is true that one can be addicted to anything, I would love to see any significant evidence that there's withdrawal when it comes to pot. I'm sure those who smoke it often, frequent and on a regular basis might have problems getting off it... but that would be more like picking your nose than mainlining heroin, for instance.

Seems that should be considered, which it is not, when classifying something as Schedule 1.

[Derach]

Pot is psychologically addictive .... like pornography, gambling, videogames, the internet, overeating ... to me, the word 'habit' is more appropriate to those activities than 'addiction'. I guy once told me 'habits are hard to break ... good or bad ... and if you do anything for 30 days, it becomes a habit' ....

I've found that to be true.

I think alcohol, nicotene, heroin, cocaine and the like create different physical reactions to the removal of these substances from the body, creating a physical dependance.

[Ken Carman]

Quote by: Derach Pot is psychologically addictive .... like pornography, gambling, videogames, the internet, overeating ... to me, the word 'habit' is more appropriate to those activities than 'addiction'. I guy once told me 'habits are hard to break ... good or bad ... and if you do anything for 30 days, it becomes a habit' .... I've found that to be true. I think alcohol, nicotene, heroin, cocaine and the like create different physical reactions to the removal of these substances from the body, creating a physical dependance.

I agree that "habit" is more appropriate. Personally, I wonder if there's anything that can't be psychologically addictive.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Ken Carman I agree that "habit" is more appropriate. Personally, I wonder if there's anything that can't be psychologically addictive.

That's a good point. It seems that, in order to have more control of your life, you should be aware of your own addictive tendencies. Also, I think many addictions occur when people have a little too much time on their hands.
Some say that natural functions are not addictive, but even those can be (like eating, sleeping).

Grandpa h.

[Nemiroff]

on the topic of marijuana addiction, check back a few pages where i said that psychological addiction is just a demonized way of saying, you like it, technically, anything we like, we are addicted to, and if our likes are taken away, obviously we're gonna be alittle edgy.

i dont do cocaine or heroin, but from what i hear, cocaine is alittle more of a serious addiction, such as jitters, feeling excessively cold, actual symptoms, not being alittle pissed cause you can't get your fixed.

as for heroin, i hear its a completely different level, heroin makes your body think it really really needs more heroin....needs like air and water. If you go cold turkey, supposedly, some of your cells will even start to die, and you should go on that methodone treatment of slow withdrawl.

I think regardless of how much money congress is being bribed by, once a large majority of the tax paying population is yelling for legalization, and we have some political support, (which we are already starting to muster) it will become legalized. congress isn't a king, regardless of how much they try to act like one, and the weight of the people can crush it if we push hard enough.