marijuana

[Ken Carman]

Gee, I don't get all this anti-outlawing pot stuff. We can see clear evidence of how outlawing it has worked well so far. Wait, no we can't. Never mind.

[Winter wind]

But the next problem is getting the average American to sit still long enough to explain all that. Its much easier to say "just say no, and everyone else is soft on crime, soft on drugs"'

It's political sepuku.

[Nemiroff]

Legalization is spreading! Not anytime soon, but it has begun!

So far president Clinton "didn't inhale", mayor bloomberg smoked it and loved it, president bush did cocaine, and governer shwartznegger publicly considers it not even a drug, just a plant.

The drug subculture has already infiltrated the mainstream. They are all over TV, movies, music, and throughout the youth culture circles. And now its beginning to emerge in politics. The first politician (I think Clinton) said it passively, once, he didn't inhale, and was very cautious, but these confessions are becoming more frequent and more open.
The latest one from shwartznegger outright declared that it isn't a drug!

[Ken Carman]

Quote by: Nemiroff Legalization is spreading! Not anytime soon, but it has begun! So far president Clinton "didn't inhale", mayor bloomberg smoked it and loved it, president bush did cocaine, and governer shwartznegger publicly considers it not even a drug, just a plant. The drug subculture has already infiltrated the mainstream. They are all over TV, movies, music, and throughout the youth culture circles. And now its beginning to emerge in politics. The first politician (I think Clinton) said it passively, once, he didn't inhale, and was very cautious, but these confessions are becoming more frequent and more open. The latest one from shwartznegger outright declared that it isn't a drug!

Sidebar...

I was always bothered by the reaction to "I didn't inhale." The first few times I tried, around 16, I didn't either and I had been smoking tobacco since I was 12. Especially if you're a non-smoker you might not... I didn't with my first puffs on a pipe. I didn't when I tried cigarettes at first either. But his statement has been treated as an absolute, provable, lie... which it absolutely is not. And of course the first time you do you cough your brains out... almost. Clinton, as far as I know, was always a non-smoker of cigarettes, pipes, cigars... so to not inhale wouldn't be unexpected. This story has more to do with the spin of those who hate Clinton beyond all rationality than what actually may have happened.

I'm not sure pols being open about having tried it will translate into decriminalization or legalization. In fact it gives every indication of turned into another "I was lost but I got found" situation, turning former experience and belief into campaign tactics. People, especially those who bandy about "sin" and conversion, will buy into this crud all the time.

It will only truly spread when the public and politicians start getting on the "we have better; more important, things to do with our money and judicial system." Then the ball's rolling. Maybe. Someday.

[Nemiroff]

Its gotta start somewhere, especially in this dimwitted, thickheaded, society of ours.

There are 3 things you can assume about the "I didn't inhale" comment

1. He lied, he didn't even come close, just trying to get the MTV votes. (a likely conclusion seeing as he is a politician)

2. He lied, he inhaled, and he liked it. (a likely conclusion seeing as he is a president and one of the first politicians to mention such a thing but paranoia made him add the I didn't inhale, and rightly so, he was almost impeached on a moral issue that wasn't even illegal)

3. He told the truth (I personally doubt it because if he did it once, didn't inhale, and never thought about it again he probably wouldn't even mention it, if he remembered it all)

Of course none of these possibilities are proveable, but I guarantee the story wasn't spread by anti Clinton people but by pro legalization people. If it was by anti Clinton people, you would've heard about it a lot more like the Monica lewinsky scandle.

Just the fact the political leaders are talking about it in a non bad way is a new phenomena, for them to admit use is definetely a baby step in the right direction.

[another day]

Quote by: Ken Carman Sidebar... I was always bothered by the reaction to "I didn't inhale." The first few times I tried, around 16, I didn't either and I had been smoking tobacco since I was 12. Especially if you're a non-smoker you might not... I didn't with my first puffs on a pipe. I didn't when I tried cigarettes at first either. But his statement has been treated as an absolute, provable, lie... which it absolutely is not. And of course the first time you do you cough your brains out... almost. Clinton, as far as I know, was always a non-smoker of cigarettes, pipes, cigars... so to not inhale wouldn't be unexpected. This story has more to do with the spin of those who hate Clinton beyond all rationality than what actually may have happened. I'm not sure pols being open about having tried it will translate into decriminalization or legalization. In fact it gives every indication of turned into another "I was lost but I got found" situation, turning former experience and belief into campaign tactics. People, especially those who bandy about "sin" and conversion, will buy into this crud all the time. It will only truly spread when the public and politicians start getting on the "we have better; more important, things to do with our money and judicial system." Then the ball's rolling. Maybe. Someday.

The first say, 5 or 6 times i smoked weed, I didn't get high, because I wasn't inhaling properly, just sucking the smoke into my mouth and blowing it out, and I was trying to get high!

[ruksak]

Quote by: Another_Day The first say, 5 or 6 times i smoked weed, I didn't get high, because I wasn't inhaling properly, just sucking the smoke into my mouth and blowing it out, and I was trying to get high!

Same, well 3-4 times here. I was 14 and my friends were getting stoned smoking out of a toke stone. They were acting silly as hell and I couldn't understand why I wasn't acting like them. They looked like they were having fun. My buddy Brian said, "All ya gotta do is say f*ck it and suck the smoke deep into your lungs". So I did, I choked and coughed for a few and ZING!

Next thing I know we're all riding our mopeds down the middle of the street, cars lined up and honking, as we navigated the unplowed 10 inches of snow on the roadway.


Good Times!

[Ken Carman]

Quote by: another day The first say, 5 or 6 times i smoked weed, I didn't get high, because I wasn't inhaling properly, just sucking the smoke into my mouth and blowing it out, and I was trying to get high!

When I first smoked tobacco I didn't inhale... until I was made fun of. The same with weed. I don't smoke either anymore and haven't for quite a while. Pot was a brief college thing that never quite felt right to me. I tend to love being creative and it took me places I knew better than to go to when I was straight. Nah, if others enjoy, then they do... but give me an extreme IPA, Russian Imperial or Barleywine any day. Almost everything I've ever done with those is something I wanted to do anyway.

[Ken Carman]

Quote by: ruksak Same, well 3-4 times here. I was 14 and my friends were getting stoned smoking out of a toke stone. They were acting silly as hell and I couldn't understand why I wasn't acting like them. They looked like they were having fun. My buddy Brian said, "All ya gotta do is say f*ck it and suck the smoke deep into your lungs". So I did, I choked and coughed for a few and ZING! Next thing I know we're all riding our mopeds down the middle of the street, cars lined up and honking, as we navigated the unplowed 10 inches of snow on the roadway. Good Times!

Hell, I used to do that with my Harley Rapido sober. Six feet of snow with ice and snow coated roads: mostly ice... quite the challenge.

Amazing that I survived teenhood and college.

Odd.. but even with inhaling it took a long time for the THC to do it's job, and that was only because the idiots I was rooming with had cut it with something(s). Idiots? What else do you say about college students whose favorite sport was to get high and drive around a police station yelling, "Pig!?" Of course they thought was was "stupid" for thinking that was insane.

[ruksak]

Quote by: Ken Carman When I first smoked tobacco I didn't inhale... until I was made fun of. The same with weed. I don't smoke either anymore and haven't for quite a while. Pot was a brief college thing that never quite felt right to me. I tend to love being creative and it took me places I knew better than to go to when I was straight. Nah, if others enjoy, then they do... but give me an extreme IPA, Russian Imperial or Barleywine any day. Almost everything I've ever done with those is something I wanted to do anyway.

Alcohol makes me feel sick anymore. It has for years now. I used to drink to get trashed in my late teens/early twenties. But not for ten years has so much as a beer or two done anything but make me feel sick.

My marijuana consumption in tuned toward a very casual use. No more "wake-n-bake" for this fella.

I smoke almost nightly, only 2-4 hits, maybe a bit more with friends on a night off.

I spend about $120-$160 dollars on an ounce of pot. This bag I will immediately separate and ration it out. An ounce lasts me anywhere from 6-8 weeks. Less than $25 dollars per week, on average.

Sounds like a lot? Keep in mind that I do not drink beer. I do not eat out at restaurants very often at all, even fast food. I do not buy DVDs, rent movies or buy much of anything fruitless.

Marijuana is my "not-so" guilty pleasure. It makes the stress of the day go away. It gives me something to look forward to on those hum-drum boring nights where I find myself alone. With pot, even the most mundane activities become wholly entertaining.

I actually pity people that don't have marijuana in their lives. And before anyone slams me for thinking that statement is pathetic, you need to do some research on the billion dollar industry that is the pharmaceutical stress/depression racket.

Face it folks, life sucks and it wears you down. Weed makes this aspect of life become laughable, quite literally.

[Ken Carman]

Quote by: ruksak Alcohol makes me feel sick anymore. It has for years now. I used to drink to get trashed in my late teens/early twenties. But not for ten years has so much as a beer or two done anything but make me feel sick. My marijuana consumption in tuned toward a very casual use. No more "wake-n-bake" for this fella. I smoke almost nightly, only 2-4 hits, maybe a bit more with friends on a night off. I spend about $120-$160 dollars on an ounce of pot. This bag I will immediately separate and ration it out. An ounce lasts me anywhere from 6-8 weeks. Less than $25 dollars per week, on average. Sounds like a lot? Keep in mind that I do not drink beer. I do not eat out at restaurants very often at all, even fast food. I do not buy DVDs, rent movies or buy much of anything fruitless. Marijuana is my "not-so" guilty pleasure. It makes the stress of the day go away. It gives me something to look forward to on those hum-drum boring nights where I find myself alone. With pot, even the most mundane activities become wholly entertaining. I actually pity people that don't have marijuana in their lives. And before anyone slams me for thinking that statement is pathetic, you need to do some research on the billion dollar industry that is the pharmaceutical stress/depression racket. Face it folks, life sucks and it wears you down. Weed makes this aspect of life become laughable, quite literally.

I'm all for people... carefully... enjoying themselves. Getting hooked on anything is a bad idea: which sounds like what you haven't done. I have a cousin who I wish would smoke pot instead of doing alcohol. Alcohol turns some people mean and doing it daily "for courage," as he does, is a really bad idea. My preference for strong, full bodied, sometimes spiced, ales works well for me, is all I'm saying. When I have too much I either make a lot of jokes: more than I already do, or I fall asleep.

Yes, they'd love to keep us on a diet of uppers/downers. Plus, depression is viewed as an illness? Well, sometimes it's a quite understandable, natural reaction. Imagine Jackie Kennedy after Dallas. If she wasn't depressed I would have wondered if she had a problem. I too have had those moments in my life when if I hadn't been depressed I would have questioned my sanity.

As with all things, drug/alcohol-related, emotional... anything: does it control you, or do you control it?

[Nemiroff]

Addiction is a questionable word. The physiological addiction of harder drugs is trully scary. Those drugs put getting more drugs on the same level as food, air, and water.

The addiction associated with marijuana is called psychological addiction. That is bullshit. A psychological addiction is a want its akin to watching TV or a specific particular food, or reading, drawing, playing.

They used to say video games are addictive, yet they are obviously not chemical. Its just an evil sounding word for fun, or something you enjoy doing and want to do again. Stupid politicians

[improvident]

Quote: Quote by: sumrlovn I don't think our government federally or locally has any right banning or not banning anything in nature. Everything was put on this earth for our benefit By this logic, all Weapons of Mass destruction are included. That was put on the earth. So by this logic, Weapons of Mass destruction should be made legal for everyone. Your right, it is a bad analogy because it isn't one. It is finding a scenario in the logic that proves why it's faulty.

Pot.. is a plant.. Nuclear Weapons and other such things.. are made by humans.. see the difference? Yes.. No.. God i hope..

I have ulcerative colitis.. which basically means my entire large intestine is riddled with bleeding ulcers..the only cure is ass tons of medication (about 16ish pills a day) or surgery where the entire large intestines are removed. I found an alternative.. smoke weed.. watch what i eat.. and attempt to be as stress free as i can.. because i absolutely hate taking medications daily.. let alone 4 pills 3 times daily..
Marijuana has the double effect of calming the nerves and soothing the stomach.. so its the obvious choice.. do i care if its illegal? No.. why should i? Because the money i spend on weed will secretly somehow make its way to some terrorist organization (remember those commercials? lol) If you honestly think that.. or any of the other government fed bull shit is true.. then wow.. i dont even know what to call you
Unfortunately the only way for someone who has never smoked to realize its not some devil 'drug'.. is to smoke it.. before i smoked i used to hate the idea of weed.. thought it was some horrible substance that only criminals used.. then i smoked.. and actually got really stoned for the 1st time.. and i was like wow.. this isnt at all what i thought it was.. and ive been smoking ever since

[Ken Carman]

Quote by: Nemiroff Addiction is a questionable word. The physiological addiction of harder drugs is trully scary. Those drugs put getting more drugs on the same level as food, air, and water. The addiction associated with marijuana is called psychological addiction. That is bullshit. A psychological addiction is a want its akin to watching TV or a specific particular food, or reading, drawing, playing. They used to say video games are addictive, yet they are obviously not chemical. Its just an evil sounding word for fun, or something you enjoy doing and want to do again. Stupid politicians

I think there is such a thing as an addictive personality. But in that case it's more a matter of whether you control you impulses or they control you. Some people who down that road so often and so much they become abusive and dangerous to all around them. I'm not even sure if it necessarily has to do with any substance, or plant. I do agree that it's used as an attempt to scare others into being addicted to what they want you to be addicted to.

Self control is the topic in this case, not hard drugs, or pot, or alcohol. Now some substances can affect brain chemistry over a period of time to make addiction worse. But, once again, I think the word has been misused and abused. Much of the rhetoric surrounding this topic has. For instance, I have heard ads that claim if you have one beer and climb into your car you WILL kill someone. Obvious balderdash. Now should you? Obviouslyt the more you have the less you should. I believe that about anything that affects reflexes and the mind... including cough syrup.

[Ken Carman]

Quote by: improvident Pot.. is a plant.. Nuclear Weapons and other such things.. are made by humans.. see the difference? Yes.. No.. God i hope.. I have ulcerative colitis.. which basically means my entire large intestine is riddled with bleeding ulcers..the only cure is ass tons of medication (about 16ish pills a day) or surgery where the entire large intestines are removed. I found an alternative.. smoke weed.. watch what i eat.. and attempt to be as stress free as i can.. because i absolutely hate taking medications daily.. let alone 4 pills 3 times daily.. Marijuana has the double effect of calming the nerves and soothing the stomach.. so its the obvious choice.. do i care if its illegal? No.. why should i? Because the money i spend on weed will secretly somehow make its way to some terrorist organization (remember those commercials? lol) If you honestly think that.. or any of the other government fed bull shit is true.. then wow.. i dont even know what to call you Unfortunately the only way for someone who has never smoked to realize its not some devil 'drug'.. is to smoke it.. before i smoked i used to hate the idea of weed.. thought it was some horrible substance that only criminals used.. then i smoked.. and actually got really stoned for the 1st time.. and i was like wow.. this isnt at all what i thought it was.. and ive been smoking ever since

The only reason drug money finds its way to terrorists is because it is highly illegal, and only regulated through illegality. People who argue that way are the same people who encourage the continuation of a system that facilitates funneling money to terrorists and criminals. If you made it legal, the money source for such groups would dry up. If you treated it differently, instead of making them strictly illegal with harsh punishments, it wouldn't dry up... but it would barely trickle in.

[Nemiroff]

afganistan is big on exporting heroin....pots too easy to grow and to big bulky and smelly to transport. it would be retarded to imply (as they did) that pot supports terrorism

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Nemiroff afganistan is big on exporting heroin....pots too easy to grow and to big bulky and smelly to transport. it would be retarded to imply (as they did) that pot supports terrorism

Well, once upon a time, we did import a fair quantity of marijuana, and a lot of that came right out of Colombia. But the US government was determined to create a pretext to interfere in the sovereign affairs of other nations, so they declared the exporters from Colombia to be "Narco-Terrorists", and promptly went to work dictating terms to foreign entities, and breaking domestic, international, and Colombian laws in order to appear to the taxpayer, who was funding this "War on Drugs", that there was some headway being made.


In the end, they did eliminate most of the marijuna being imported from South America, and instead, the importers find it more profitable to import cocaine.


Once again, the governmnet does what the private sector cannot, which is make the situation into the worst case scenario.

[Nemiroff]

USATODAY.com - Denver votes to legalize marijuana possession


baby steps people, baby steps

[kubedawg]

I'll tell you what. If Ron Paul gets elected, and gets rid of this war on drugs, and puts it in states hands, I could see at least 25 of the 50 states to legalize marijuana within his first year of office.

[grandpa]

Quote by: kubedawg I'll tell you what. If Ron Paul gets elected, and gets rid of this war on drugs, and puts it in states hands, I could see at least 25 of the 50 states to legalize marijuana within his first year of office.

I would hope so (though this would probably be within the first couple years, if at all). I think the war on drugs, like the war on poverty. has not beeen very successful. In fact, the war has probably contributed significantly to poverty.

Grandpa h.