marijuana

[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: Wind While I do own my body, I'm willing to let the smart person decide what is best for it.

I'm sure you are. However, other people have different views and priorities from you, and should therefore be free to decide for themselves what is best.

[Winter wind]

Ok fair point...

Different priorities can be taken into account, but at the end of the day, if the patient says he didn't have an affair and therefore can't have a deadly STD, and the doctor says he does have STD beyond a shred of doubt, should we listen to the patient and ponder what he could possibly have or should we listen to the doctor and give him the medication for the STD?
hmmmm.
I'm going to go with the doc.

[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: wind Different priorities can be taken into account, but at the end of the day, if the patient says he didn't have an affair and therefore can't have a deadly STD, and the doctor says he does have STD beyond a shred of doubt, should we listen to the patient and ponder what he could possibly have or should we listen to the doctor and give him the medication for the STD?

In terms of finding the truth of the matter, we should listen to the doctor.

However, in terms of deciding a course of action, we should listen to the individual. If his priorities dictate that denying his affair is more important than curing his STD, you have no objective grounds on which to tell him he's wrong.

[ruksak]

Quote by: The Bacon Guy In terms of finding the truth of the matter, we should listen to the doctor. However, in terms of deciding a course of action, we should listen to the individual. If his priorities dictate that denying his affair is more important than curing his STD, you have no objective grounds on which to tell him he's wrong.

Why are we talking about STD's? This thread is about marijuana, and STD's cannot be addressed with marijuana as a medicine.

When it comes to the illnesses and symptoms that marijuana can address, often its the patient who knows whats best. Because marijuana isn't "curing" anything. Its soothing and providing both psychological relief and physical relief. Glaucoma; Marijuana relieves the stress on the affected area, the eye. Stomach cancer; Marijuana soothes the ache and makes it possible for patients to eat. Hypertension and depression; Marijuana appeals to many sufferers of these illnesses as soothing.

In many of these instances, a doctor cannot tell you how you feel or what makes you feel better. No more than a doctor can tell you what turns you on sexually. These matters are not black and white. They are subjective to individual experiences and vary greatly on a physiological level from patient to patient.

If you need a cure for gonorrhea; ask your doctor.
If you need something to ease your mental pains; ask yourself. "Does this make me feel better"? If the answer is yes, then you have made the right diagnosis. Lets us not pretend that doctors always make the correct diagnosis. They make mistakes just like your car mechanic can make mistakes. Even with issues and illnesses that are indeed black and white. So its safe to assume that in regards to what makes a patient feel better, the patient is the ultimate judge.

[another day]

Quote by: Winter wind Right, so it should be reserved until the other ones don't work. Isn't that how the medical system works now? If not, I know some docs that would be out of their mind.

NO! Morphine, Oxycontine etc are offered first because medical marijuana is not legal in the united states. Some states have exemptions but the federal government can still prosecute anyone, including doctors who prescribe it.

Why should it be reserved until all else fails? Why is that your opinion? Can you not see how badly you have been brainwashed by society telling you that weed is bad because it's illegal?

Weed is FAR FAR more safe then any of those drugs (oxycontin, percocet, vicodin). Would you advocate heroin over marijuana? Because that is essentially what you are saying. Those drugs are synthetic forms of heroin and are extremely addictive.

[Winter wind]

Why should it be reserved until all else fails? Why is that your opinion? Can you not see how badly you have been brainwashed by society telling you that weed is bad because it's illegal? Weed is FAR FAR more safe then any of those drugs (oxycontin, percocet, vicodin). Would you advocate heroin over marijuana? Because that is essentially what you are saying. Those drugs are synthetic forms of heroin and are extremely addictive.

Give me facts and I'll see where we're at.

[Compugasm]

Marijuana will never be legal, because you can't patent it. Case closed.

[Sumrlovn]

I don't think our government federally or locally has any right banning or not banning anything in nature. Everything was put on this earth for our benefit. We should be FREE to use it that way. Just like we do oranges and apples and spices and everything else. Just because idiots wish to use those things for harm doesn't mean the masses should be punished. Punish the deed not the weed. The government can't take away our personal freedoms. It's not right. Period.

[ruksak]

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[Winter wind]

I don't think our government federally or locally has any right banning or not banning anything in nature. Everything was put on this earth for our benefit. We should be FREE to use it that way. Just like we do oranges and apples and spices and everything else. Just because idiots wish to use those things for harm doesn't mean the masses should be punished. Punish the deed not the weed. The government can't take away our personal freedoms. It's not right. Period.

Nuclear bombs were put on this earth by God. Should anybody who knows how, be able to get weapon grade plutonium. How about a small pox virus.
Somethings undeniably need to be regulated.

As for marijuana, I don't think it is bad to make legal. In fact I'm all for getting rid of the crime industry. But I do know that parents are keeping kids away from drugs with a chain and chair. So I can see both sides.
I care less about marijuana from a freedom sense because I'm not going to be taking it. (music and sugar is my drug).

[ruksak]

Quote by: Winter Wind Nuclear bombs were put on this earth by God. Should anybody who knows how, be able to get weapon grade plutonium. How about a small pox virus.

Worst analogy ever!

[Winter wind]

Quote by: ruksak Worst analogy ever!

Ok

Quote by: sumrlovn I don't think our government federally or locally has any right banning or not banning anything in nature. Everything was put on this earth for our benefit

By this logic, all Weapons of Mass destruction are included. That was put on the earth. So by this logic, Weapons of Mass destruction should be made legal for everyone.

Your right, it is a bad analogy because it isn't one. It is finding a scenario in the logic that proves why it's faulty.

[ruksak]

Quote by: Winter wind Ok By this logic, all Weapons of Mass destruction are included. That was put on the earth. So by this logic, Weapons of Mass destruction should be made legal for everyone. Your right, it is a bad analogy because it isn't one. It is finding a scenario in the logic that proves why it's faulty.

Granted, he worded that very poorly. I believe he meant to say that the government has no god damn right to tell me that I can't grow a plant in my backyard, pick it, dry it and smoke it without worrying about being thrown in a cage with rapists and robbers and having all my possessions taken because I might have bought them with drug sale profits, even though I have a job.

Marijuana is a naturally occurring plant that grows on all 7 continents, in a wider variance of climate than any other plant on Earth. It has medicinal applications, industrial applications and recreational applications all while remaining virtually 100% safe.

[Winter wind]

Granted, he worded that very poorly. I believe he meant to say that the government has no god damn right to tell me that I can't grow a plant in my backyard, pick it, dry it and smoke it without worrying about being thrown in a cage with rapists and robbers and having all my possessions taken because I might have bought them with drug sale profits, even though I have a job.

Why does the government not have the right to tell you you can't grow something, but does have the right to stop people from dealing with small pox and nuclear weapons?
I'm asking this because I want to know where you draw the line. Where it becomes dangerous right?

Anywho, legal wise is one thing, but I want to talk about whether you should smoke it or not. Is it unhealthy for you? Is it dangerous to do it and drive or something? What are the draw backs and what are the advantages.

I know I'll never do drugs because caffeine (wait that's a drug) and music do just fine.

[ruksak]

Because my smoking a plant that makes me giggle doesn't hurt anyone. Nuclear weapons and highly contagious diseases do.

It is my land and my body and I will kill anyone whom wishes to stop me from smoking pot and tries to put me in a cage for it. An automatic death sentence handed down from the high court of me for any pig or judge that tramples on my inherent right to do what I want with my body.

Quote by: Winter WInd Anywho, legal wise is one thing, but I want to talk about whether you should smoke it or not. Is it unhealthy for you? Is it dangerous to do it and drive or something? What are the draw backs and what are the advantages.

I'll let someone else field that one. I have posted the pros of marijuana so many times it makes me sick to think of doing it again.

I'll give you the short version; Pot is good for your head and minimally bad for your body if you smoke large amounts daily.

It doesn't really matter. If I want to smoke rat poison and shove a hot poker up my ass for kicks, then it is my right to do so.

[Winter wind]

It is my land and my body and I will kill anyone whom wishes to stop me from smoking pot and tries to put me in a cage for it. An automatic death sentence handed down from the high court of me for any pig or judge that tramples on my inherent right to do what I want with my body.

Wow, you really like your weed...

I'll give you the short version; Pot is good for your head and minimally bad for your body if you smoke large amounts daily.

Isn't there a stat that says it affects memory? Also, it should be regulated at the very least in the sense you shouldn't smoke marijuana and drive, right?

[ruksak]

Quote by: Winter Wind Wow, you really like your weed...

I really like my human rights. I may live in America. Under American law. In an American society. But this is MY body, not theirs. And they will not impede on what I do to my body. This is MY land and I will grow marijuana if I please. I will smoke it if I please.

Quote by: Winter Win Isn't there a stat that says it affects memory?

I can't remember if there is or not.

Also, it should be regulated at the very least in the sense you shouldn't smoke marijuana and drive, right?

Right, sure. It's their roads and other peoples bodies we're talking about then.

[Winter wind]

The biggest issue (and the reason why it isn't legal) is that no politician would dare be for it and risk having most of the parents in the country thinking you will be handing out joints in class and taking them out to night clubs and getting them heroin and a half drunk girl or guy.

Otherwise i think it would be legal.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Winter wind The biggest issue (and the reason why it isn't legal) is that no politician would dare be for it and risk having most of the parents in the country thinking you will be handing out joints in class and taking them out to night clubs and getting them heroin and a half drunk girl or guy. Otherwise i think it would be legal.

It's a plant. I'm not for it or against it, nor am I particularly concerned what other people do with it.
Politicians make little sense on this issue, and people unfortunately do a lot of what they say. Meanwhile, parents who wouldn't take the time to give their children a proper education fly off the handle, getting all paranoid over the possibility their kids might smoke a "spliff." It's nonsense. Not only are they unwilling to see the issue from a scientific perspective, but they're willing to throw their kids, neighbors and others in jail for their own paranoia and prejudice.

Grandpa h.

[Nemiroff]

Weed slows reaction time so you really shouldn't drive on it, just like you shouldn't drive sleepy or tired, but have you ever been drunk, or seen someone really drunk, they can't even walk straight!! Its just not the same, i've seen people not want to move from smoking weed, but never to the point where they can't walk.