Shitty mainstream music dictatorship.

[nerdvincent]

"You loved me but you don't love me anymore but I still love you but it can't work between uuuuuuusssss!"
Put an electronic drum beat, some synth effect, a stripping girl and peoples will belive there is talent.
An alternative: give a guitar to the first dude you meet, teach him two chords and put a lot of propaganda. You'll have Tokio Hotel and some millions teenish girl following them at all their concert.

Where is music? Lost somewhere, hidden by "musical" industry's oily and meat-less BigMac. In 20 years, all that is listenable was underground or very little known band, such as Buckethead, Joe Bonamassa or some jazz fusion artist getting old.

First of all, what's good music? Music is art, art is a way to express his feeling. Good musicians are people who can laugh and cry with his/her guitar, sax or keyboard. Gilmoure's soloing, Miles Davis' composition, Yes and King Crimson art rock...rich music is no more on the scene.
Modern ARTISTS exist, but are in the shadow of Rihanna's umbrella. What about jazz in MTV? No way sir, it's far too expensive to find talent: we've got an army of pre-fabricated boys-band waiting the current one to be unfashionable, let's say in 6 months.

You're not missing real music?

[phoenix_fire]

I import from Japan. There's also some good Christian alternative. Hey, no one's playing you "top 40" at gunpoint.

[butterbut]

Quote by: nerdvincent First of all, what's good music? Music is art, art is a way to express his feeling. Good musicians are people who can laugh and cry with his/her guitar, sax or keyboard. Gilmoure's soloing, Miles Davis' composition, Yes and King Crimson art rock...rich music is no more on the scene. Modern ARTISTS exist, but are in the shadow of Rihanna's umbrella. What about jazz in MTV? No way sir, it's far too expensive to find talent: we've got an army of pre-fabricated boys-band waiting the current one to be unfashionable, let's say in 6 months.

Right on I hate just about everything about the hippies but I have to admit they had some damn good music. You can't hardly find a blues station on the radio even the blues is the best and first kind of music. Oh and I'm a college student so I have to listen to all this stupid punk shit all the time.

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: nerdvincent First of all, what's good music?

An entirely subjective question, which is why your post is, no offense, ridiculous.

Look, I lament the decline of true singer-songwriters and the dependence on image to sell music as opposed to "talent", but you can't say that something is good music and some other thing isn't.

Let me guess: You think every band that becomes popular "sold out" and your favorite radio station is the one at the local college because commercial radio stations are all too corporate, maaaaaaaaaaaaaaan...

[nerdvincent]

I don't give a sh** if peoples are eating poison or not. I'm not going to prohib pop, the only thing is that it makes shadows to true artists.
I go at the music store and ask for an Allan Holdsworth CD. The clerk tell me this kind of music don't sell well enough, see you and good luck.
See my point? When there is more than 3 different notes in a song it's prohibed. Just like Hitler prohibed art and Mao religion.
Dictatorship.

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: nerdvincent I don't give a sh** if peoples are eating poison or not. I'm not going to prohib pop, the only thing is that it makes shadows to true artists.

Based upon YOUR opinion. You missed my point entirely. To some people, pop musicians are true artists. Your opinion that they aren't is no more or less valid than theirs.

I go at the music store and ask for an Allan Holdsworth CD. The clerk tell me this kind of music don't sell well enough, see you and good luck.

Mr. Holdsworth's music is available through his website or on iTunes, according to him:
The Real Allan Holdsworth Music

See my point? When there is more than 3 different notes in a song it's prohibed.

Assuming you mean "prohibited", how is it prohibited? Is taro root prohibited because your local small grocery store doesn't carry it? Is "Lawrence of Arabia" prohibited because your local multiplex doesn't show it every night?

Merely because a private business chooses not to sell a certain product does not mean it's prohibited. Should every music store be forced, under penalty of law, to carry every album ever recorded?

I really don't think you've thought this through.

Just like Hitler prohibed art and Mao religion. Dictatorship.

The difference are Hitler and Mao were governments. A private record store is not.

By the way - 5th post in the thread and already Godwin's law is invoked. Pretty steep... :rolleyes:

[Jack]

I was once a music store manager for Sam Goody. There's a reason they went kaput and were bought out, in the end, by Wherehouse Records. Big record stores are a thing of the past. They never learned how to cope with the internet or digital distribution. Any record store these days is in survival mode; if there isn't a profit in carrying an artist, it doesn't want that title in their stacks. Why do you think you can now buy video games and action figures in music stores? High margins is why, even if those products have nothing to do with music.

There's no censorship being practiced. The distribution channels have changed; hell, the whole music industry is on the edge of a major reinvention. The labels are at risk of becoming redundant, which is why they're resorting to desperate measures like DRM. Brick-and-mortar stores are too expensive to maintain compared to a website.

The music you want is out there, you just need to find it. Consumers, as much as the distributors, need to adapt to the new scene.

[Osborn F Enready]

I am totally unhappy with the "new music" thats out there.

I like a lot of artists who are currently popular, active and recording, but the bulk of the material coming out really sucks.

Sure would like to see another 7 man band with the talent level Lynyrd Skynyrd, the original band had.

Seems like all there is in music anymore is bubblegum, trendy crap.

If it wasn't for "Tool", I don't know if I would even listen to new music.

Did anyone see the recent Robert Plant concert on Public Television?

Robert Plant actually was jamming out some "Tool" songs! WOW!! Rocked!


As far as "mainstream dictatorship", it isn't just limited to music in my opinion.
I think the "trends" in music, movies and video games for the last couple years pretty much sucks.

[triad]

My all time favorite band is TOOL (my username is actually one of their songs - from their lateralus album), but I like Rage Against the Machine (look at my avatar), I like A Perfect Circle, I like some Smashing Pumpkins, I like GodSmack, OH and I fuckin LOVE korn, system of a down..


I could keep going.


If you're not finding any good new music then you are not looking hard enough, there are TONS of underground or new bands that aren't played on the radio (yet) and can kick some ass.


Quit whinning and turn off your damn radio and go to your local CD shop and stay away from the "POP" section. Or DOWNLOAD

[grandpa]

I think we need more musicians like Patti Smith. I listened to her song "land" today. It is only one song but it had all the depth and range of an entire quality album.

Somebody mentioned RATM, and they are a lot like that, too. Zach D is one of the angriest, most in-your-face vocalists of all time. And Tom Morello is a truly awesome guitarist. He doesn't just shred like some pathetic 80s band, he plays for the song, and in a very tight, innovative way.

For that matter, where are the instrumental bands on the radio (aside from pop jingles)? And I don't just mean monotonous techno, but other forms. For example, where's stuff like Tangerine Dream? I'm not the biggest fan of their stuff, either, but it's far better than what I hear on most radio stations or on MTV.

Grandpa h.

[Sweet Katie]

Excellent post. Excellent points! Roses! Kisses!

Let's take rap music. When rap music emerged, Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five put out one of the best songs ever written, The Message. If you're not familiar with the song, it explained life in the ghetto:

A child is born with no state of mind
Blind to the ways of mankind
God is smiling on you
But He's crying too
'Cause only God knows what you'll go through

^^^ Now, that's powerful wording!

From there, NWA put out F*** the Police. It also had a message. This genre of music has/had so much promise. It could have been (should be) a way for a specific community to express their discontent with society. The African American community found a wonderful means to express their dissatisfaction with their current oppression, and they are letting it slip through their fingers! Their should be rap singles such as Hey, Whitey, get out of Harlem! Instead, there are "hip hop" (even the name changed) about materialism, fur coats, diamond rings, and other useless things.

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Other genres of music:

Country music portrays the Republican message. This may be why there is such an interest in country music right now.

Music is as its been. It's a business with the eye on the bottom line. To expect "high art" from music is like expecting the tide to turn at your will. :) If you enjoy a particular song, the best way to ensure more of it is through your consumer power. :)

[nerdvincent]

Nice lyrics indeed. But today, hearding this is utopic.
The thing is that we should give a mediatic advantage to rich music, real talent. Tivodan1116 said the "artists" I qualify shitty are true artists to some people. Easy to tell, but I really want somebody to explain me, to take the modern music's lawyer seat and debate.

[Chris]

dude,

thats what the whole online revolution has done to the pop music industry- its murdered it. I get indie bands and unsigned bands and buy their stuff directly from them. I buy the mainstream stuff that I happen to like from iTunes. All other stuff I buy is for the support of the artists directly, cutting out the damn record companies.

this is the way of the future.

[nerdvincent]

Yeah I do download music on iTune now, supporting them. May the other jackass die...in the mass' general opinion.:)
But can somebody tell me how music and why music died?

[tivodan1116]

Quote by: nerdvincent The thing is that we should give a mediatic advantage to rich music, real talent.

But "rich music" and "real talent" are matters of opinion. This is a 100% subjective area. You might not think that Carrie Underwood is talented, but to others, her voice is beautiful and that makes her talented. Who are you to judge?

Tivodan1116 said the "artists" I qualify shitty are true artists to some people. Easy to tell, but I really want somebody to explain me, to take the modern music's lawyer seat and debate.

There's nothing to explain. Some people say they are artists, some people say they are not.

There's no debate. It would be like trying to whether the ocean or the sky is more beautiful.

Quote by: nerdvincent Yeah I do download music on iTune now, supporting them. May the other jackass die...in the mass' general opinion.:) But can somebody tell me how music and why music died?

So you have all of the music you want on iTunes or through the artists themselves, cutting out the middleman. Apparently these artists are successful because they can maintain their websites, go out on tour, and continue recording music.

Why then, exactly, do you keep saying music "died"? Because the music you like isn't popular, and you don't like the popular music?

[phoenix_fire]

I have eclectic tastes in pretty much everything, so I'm used to it being difficult to impossible to find what I'm looking for. Especially since I grew up in a small farming town where you couldn't find anything at all that wasn't cowboy-and-country-music related. Imagine looking for a sushi joint there! As a matter of fact, I get a little suspicious if it's too easy .

[Suburbanite]

There IS such a thing as bad music. Proof: The new hiphop song soulja boy. It makes NO SENSE!

First verse:
Soulja Boy Off In This Hoe
Watch Me Lean And Watch Me Rock
Super Man Dat Hoe
Then Watch Me Crank Dat Robocop
Super Fresh, Now Watch Me Jock
Jocking On Them Haterz Man
When I Do Dat Soulja Boy
I Lean To The Left And Crank Dat Thang
(Now You)
I'm Jocking On Yo Bitch Ass
And If We Get The Fightin
Then I'm Cocking On Your Bitch
You Catch Me At Yo Local Party
Yes I Crank It Everyday
Haterz Get Mad Cuz
"I Got Me Some Bathin Apes"


WTF?

[phoenix_fire]

I agree. That is truly absurd. I can't make heads or tails of it. Of course, I'm not exactly the target demographic, I guess.

[Suburbanite]

I am though, and I don't get it. No one gets it, but they love playing it on the radio and in the clubs.

[grandpa]

Does he really say"I Got Me Some Bathin Apes"? I have to admit that's an interesting statement.

Grandpa h.