Cartoon wars.

[phoenix_fire]

Cartoon WarsYeah, I know, it's kinda old, but I rediscovered it on Veoh today. Usually I think South Park is a little off (but watch anyway) but this time, they've hit the nail on the head. They have the guts (even though their network sometimes doesn't) to tell it like it is.

Mr. Garrison: Welcome to Muslim sensitivity training. It is important for us to understand why the Muslims feel the way they do and why we can never show an image of Muhammad.

Kyle: No, Muslims can't show an image of Muhammad.

Mr. Garrison: Kyle, you're not being very sensitive.

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Reporter: Mr. President, can't you force the Family Guy writing staff not to write anything about Muhammad? Couldn't you...throw them in prison?

Bush: Look, the fact of the matter is the Family Guy writing staff is protected by something called the First Amendment.

Reporter: And what exactly is this First Amendment, Mr. President?

Bush: You know, right to free speech.

Reporter: Mr. President, when your administration came up with this...First Amendment...did it not foresee a problem like this might happen?

Bush: Well...WE didn't come up with the First Amendment. It was already in place.

Reporter: What do you intend to DO about this...First Amendment, Mr. President?

Reporter: Forgive me, Mr. President, but this First Amendment sounds like a lot of bureaucratic jibbery-joo.

Reporters: YEAH!!!

Lol.

[Maryjane]

Meanwhile, Christians are having a shit fit because Kathy Griffin said "Suck it Jesus" when she accepted her Emmy. You can bet South Park and Family Guy will have an episode on it.

reality blurred + Emmys will censor Kathy Griffin's "suck it, Jesus" speech

[phoenix_fire]

I hadn't heard about that. Incidentally, the episodes cover that too: the idea that people can and do cite and depict Jesus in ridiculously offensive ways and no one does anything extreme, while depicting Muhammad "just doing nothing...acting normal" is enough to send Muslims into frenzies of terroristic threat or worse.

[Maryjane]

the idea that people can and do cite and depict Jesus in ridiculously offensive ways and no one does anything extreme,

Yeah, too bad Fred Phelps is proteced by the first ammendment.

Godhatesfags.com

[ZNFYRH]

I thought the "suck it Jesus" was hilarious.

She works for Comedy Central and beat South Park, and her comments made that clear.

Oversensitive people amuse me.

[J. Askiloupos]

Her "Suck it, Jesus" was more than likely a stab at all the media figures who stand to accept an award, spout all sorts of what the majority of theists would consider morally low dialogue, and then end their speech by thanking Jesus and/or God, which I personally find to be laughable at best.

[gratefuldawg77]

I hadn't heard about that. Incidentally, the episodes cover that too: the idea that people can and do cite and depict Jesus in ridiculously offensive ways and no one does anything extreme, while depicting Muhammad "just doing nothing...acting normal" is enough to send Muslims into frenzies of terroristic threat or worse.

Us secularists have worked a long time to tame our
fundies. "Book of daniel" still got cancelled though. The major difference between Muslims and Christians is that most Christians live in places where they are taught to adress thier grievances through peaceful, legal means. And I'll never be against their right to. Fundamentalism tempered by freedom. its a beautifulthing. All the more reason why we need to export freedom. As long as we don't export it via bomb or gun.

[Dan_77]

Us secularists have worked a long time to tame our
fundies. "Book of daniel" still got cancelled though.

I'm a Christian and I liked "Book of Daniel", especially the interactions with Jesus. Some fundamentalists put Jesus in some gilded cage, but if you read his teachings, he obviously would, if here today, be a man of the people.

I also think that the Kevin Smith movie "Dogma" has some of the truest statements about faith ever.

Last Scion: So you actually know Jesus?
13th Apostle (Chris Rock): Know him? Sh*t, n*gger owes me $12!

[gratefuldawg77]

I'm a Christian and I liked "Book of Daniel", especially the interactions with Jesus. Some fundamentalists put Jesus in some gilded cage, but if you read his teachings, he obviously would, if here today, be a man of the people.

I also think that the Kevin Smith movie "Dogma" has some of the truest statements about faith ever.

Last Scion: So you actually know Jesus?
13th Apostle (Chris Rock): Know him? Sh*t, n*gger owes me $12!

That's why I said "fundamentalists" and not Christians. True Christians are peaceful, compassionate, tolerant, and open minded. Fundamentalists are the exact opposite. Scary, though. Some of the rhetoric used by James Dobson, Pat Robertson, and others is a stone's throw away from that used by Osama bin Ladin. The control these guys have over thier followers is not something Jesus would want exercised in his name, I don 't think.

Dogma is a pretty good movie. The fact that you enjoyed it puts you on a plain above most so-called "Christians."

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I liked it. I don't watch it in front of my mom, though. My parents are very traditional Christians. Heavy on the tradition, light on the "Christian". They're the type that think I'm a heretic if my ideals don't line up with those of the Most Holy Republican Party. We fought for about a month when I didn't vote for Bush.

Anyway, one of my favorite parts of the movie was when the Metatron talked about having to tell Jesus what He had to do. It's something that you don't necessarily think about. I bet He was scared to death. And it must have hurt the Father so much. I was surprised that the movie had that kind of depth. I also like the protagonist. It's just like God to use someone like her. And she's typical of the ancestry of Christ, too if you look at it. Our culturalized Christianity tries to tell us that the people that God uses are popular, head-cheerleader and frat king types. These are the models and heroes that they show us. My ex-pastor once tried to tell me that those were the type of people that we needed to be recruiting and fast-tracking into leadership. But in the Bible, that was never the type that God used. He used the second son, the prostitute, the tax collector, the youngest and smallest, the women, the lepers...the abortion clinic worker and divorcee who thinks her life is over because her husband rejected her. I don't know if the movie meant to make some of the points it did, but it was genius.

But I digress again.

[phoenix_fire]

To be back on subject, though, I was reading the wiki on the movie and I came across an interview in which the idea of a post 9-11sequel is discussed. The director had this to say:

And we'd need a bigger budget - because the entire third act would be the Apocalypse. Scary thing is this: the film would have to touch on Islam. And unlike the Catholic League, when those cats don't like what you do, they issue a death warrant on yer a**. And now that I've got a family, I'm not as free to stir the sh*t-pot as I was when I was single, back when I made "Dogma". I mean, now I've gotta think about more than my own safety and well-being. But regardless - yeah, a "Dogma" followup's been swimming around in my head for some time now.

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[Dan_77]

FYI, some of Kevin Smith's best interviews ever are on the Opie & Anthony show - if you read his message boards, he says he likes the loose "hang" feel of the show, and often drops by not to promote anything but just to shoot the shit.


Just my plug for my favorite radio show.

[another day]

Brilliant episode! One of the most on point political episodes of south park, which btw, is an absolutly genius satire show.

The best part is at the end. The screen goes blank when the image of mohammed was to be shown and the text is displayed "In this scene, mohammed was to be shown passing a salmon helmet to peter...Comedy central has refused to air an image of mohammed on their network" (this is actually true btw)...

In the next scene, we see jesus crapping everywhere and being crapped on by americans. Lovely hypocrisy isn't it?

Who said violence doesn't get results? Because it apparently does from these spineless cowards. It's funny because mohammed was a character during a full episode of south park a few years back. Along with other dieties he fought against david blaine's cult. But of course that was before muslims around the world rioted and murdered nuns. Now they won't show it.

South park is perfect. It spares no one with it's satire. It mocks republicans, democrats, jews, blacks, whites, spanish, asians, men, women, celebrities, feminists, religious fanatics, atheists etc etc. It is a parody of humankind and it's hilarious.

Btw the new episode is next week on wednesday!

Hhaha... "Forgive me mr. president, but this "first amendment" sounds like a whole lot of bureaucratic jibbaryjoo."

[donfie]

Yeah! I hate Muslims too and their evil Quran that tells them to go out and kill everyone who doesn't believe as they do.

I've never read any of the Quran, spoken to any Muslims about it or read any other work on the subject but I've seen all about it on the news and all the non-Muslims that I talk to when we're at the cross burning say the same thing...Yeah! The baby killing bastards!!

Not like the good humoured, non-zealous Christians who like nothing more than a good laugh at themselves because the bible says that you should love everybody no matter what they believe and, unlike Allah, God has never done or said anything remotely violent or bad in any shape or form.

I've never actually read all of the bible but I know everything about it and how good it is and all of my friends at the Klan say the same.

Nob!

For those who are not dangerous bigots, I agree that the world is a lot better off since both South Park and Family Guy.

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Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook. I would've thought the merits of the OP to be self-evident given the Danish cartoonist fiasco, but then again I always overestimate.

Does anyone...anyone...see yet how every single conversation we ever have about the Muslims has to degenerate into a Christianity-is-worse-nyah-nyah p*ing contest? C'mon. Let's leave it for now and stick to the topic.

And why does anyone who says anything bad about Islam automatically got to be a Bible-illiterate, Qur'an-illiterate, cross-burning Klansmen? Can't normal people who've read up on things and who tend to be pretty tolerant, even to the point of having Muslim (and Hindi!) friends be able to look at something like the fallout from the Danish cartoons and think "gee, well, that was uncalled for"?

Sheesh.

[another day]

Yeah! I hate Muslims too and their evil Quran that tells them to go out and kill everyone who doesn't believe as they do.

I've never read any of the Quran, spoken to any Muslims about it or read any other work on the subject but I've seen all about it on the news and all the non-Muslims that I talk to when we're at the cross burning say the same thing...Yeah! The baby killing bastards!!

Not like the good humoured, non-zealous Christians who like nothing more than a good laugh at themselves because the bible says that you should love everybody no matter what they believe and, unlike Allah, God has never done or said anything remotely violent or bad in any shape or form.

I've never actually read all of the bible but I know everything about it and how good it is and all of my friends at the Klan say the same.

Nob!

For those who are not dangerous bigots, I agree that the world is a lot better off since both South Park and Family Guy.

Who said anything to this effect? Your full of sh*t.

[WWFStern]

Meanwhile, Christians are having a shit fit because Kathy Griffin said "Suck it Jesus" when she accepted her Emmy. You can bet South Park and Family Guy will have an episode on it.

reality blurred + Emmys will censor Kathy Griffin's "suck it, Jesus" speech

Come on, man!

It burnt their widdle ears....

[Thanatos]

Who said anything to this effect? Your full of sh*t.

Several million people. Welcome to the internet. We have plenty of infuriating people ready to satisfy your every need to feel angry and depressed. The current supply of them does shockingly ignorant, angry and raving, mocking and semiretarded, so mentally FUBAR its actually sort of fascinating, and pure unadulterated evil plus many more. Best of all, its all free! You don't even have to ask for an argument like that Monty Python skit! 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365.4 days a year!

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Ok, who in the thread? Seriously you can't be pretending that it wasn't a totally unrelated rant.