Risk, rewards in military duty for illegal aliens

[thx1138]

Commentary: Risk, rewards in military duty for illegal aliens - CNN.com

SAN DIEGO, California (CNN) -- What if we offered illegal immigrants a path to citizenship that included a stint in the U.S. military? The idea has been trumpeted by thoughtful people such as Max Boot, a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, who thinks this is the time for a "freedom legion." He's talking about a unit of the military made up entirely of the foreign-born -- including illegal immigrants -- where the compensation would include U.S. citizenship.

Isn't this what got the Roman Empire into trouble? What kind of background checks are made before letting someone handle a gun?

Max Boot, a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations
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[SleepingOwl]

In my oppinion, the military can handle them. Also, they should be considered a high or higher risk group and would likely be kept under adequate supervision.

Of the ways to solve the problem of illegal immigrants in the country, there are many opposing views. Some may say that this will beget only more illegal immigration. If that is the case then, allow it for those here now. This is much easier than trying to round them all up and deport them. It is also better than another option of simply allowing them to despite being illegal.

[SoylentGreen]

It would beg the question of what purpose these people would be put to.
I would assume that the bulk of illegals are uneducated, illiterate and with a poor grasp of the english language.
So there not exactly officer material, nor would they be trained in specialised fields. More likely to be foot soldiers or in other words cannon fodder. But for which war would they be useful in, is the government in need of more such soldiers to fight an even more extended war that they are planning?

[SleepingOwl]

It is not so much that they are needing more soldiers, the Army is just undermanned and the Air Force is overmanned. This problem is a nasty one, and the Air Force is forcing people out, some of which get scooped up by the Army.

As for what positions they are lacking, i am unsure. The illiteracy and lack english language sense, may be a problem, but those things are required for citizenship any way. There are programs that exist or could be created to help in that regard.

The military usually trains people to work in a certain field while they are in. I am sure they will be able to fill postions other than "footsoldier" with the illegals.

[PatrickHenry]

I don't favor non-citizens serving in a US uniform.

Call it what it is. Mercenaries. For an Imperium.

In an aggressive foreign war that would remain unwaged in a democratic nation.

We don't need foreigners for troops. We need US soldiers out of unnecessary combat zones.

[SoylentGreen]

Such as?

Again I would assume that people with qualifications and a reasonable amount of education would not need to jump fences in order to enter america for work.
Those that do are probably receiving a poor if at all education.
So the army would have to teach them basic literacy, maths and language before they could train them in any special field.
Can you point out what use they would have beside a shield wall for the professional soldier?

[SleepingOwl]

besides, something needs to be done about them. What would you have done with them. This option provides an environment in which aliens can obtain the learning and job they need to become citizens. Also, being in the military, they will become properly documented and it will be possible to to track them to be sure they are paying taxes and such. Which is another problem with illegal immigration.

[SoylentGreen]

Yes , but it still begs the question of what need the military have with a bunch of people who are only qualified to march bravely into death.
And what of your own home grown uneducated who are in need of qualification and training? Do they also get a look in on this?
Considering that they are mostly employed in the farming area, hoe does training someone to kill with a bayonet reduce the weed problem in a tomato field?
Wouldn't it be better to load the responsibility of training on the farmers who will directly benefit from the employment of the illegals?

[SleepingOwl]

Yes , but it still begs the question of what need the military have with a bunch of people who are only qualified to march bravely into death.

The military usually trains people to work in a certain field while they are in. I am sure they will be able to fill postions other than "footsoldier" with the illegals.

The military puts people through basic training first. After that they go to school again to learn what they need to know to perform there various jobs. There are undoubtedly idiots from our own country that go into the military, i have met several. If they can teach them, they should be able to illegals (after language integration of course).

I am not really considering what they go to do after they serve their term of a few years. Think of this as a program to integrate, register, teach, and provide a job for the illegals until they earn citizenship.

[SoylentGreen]

Yes . but why should it be the armies job?
Shouldn't those who will benefit from the training be responsible for the training. And shouldn't those who hire illegals be made responsible for that.
The farmers and sweatshop owners are getting a free ride here.

[GHook93]

Quote by: thx1138 Commentary: Risk, rewards in military duty for illegal aliens - CNN.com Isn't this what got the Roman Empire into trouble? What kind of background checks are made before letting someone handle a gun? Max Boot, a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations The CFR is worth researching about... YouTube - CNN Video:Lou Dobbs Slams CFR & North American Union The CFR is also behind The North American Union

I like the idea, except mix them in with the regular troops. No isolation!

[GHook93]

Quote by: thx1138 Commentary: Risk, rewards in military duty for illegal aliens - CNN.com Isn't this what got the Roman Empire into trouble? What kind of background checks are made before letting someone handle a gun? Max Boot, a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations The CFR is worth researching about... YouTube - CNN Video:Lou Dobbs Slams CFR & North American Union The CFR is also behind The North American Union

This was done with the immigrants coming off the boat and then fighting in the Civil War

[Gods_Mercenary]

I agree, otherwise we'll basically have our own French foreign legion and use like the french do, as a probing force that clears the way for our troops. We'll be far too keen to get involved, at that point, since nobody cares if a few foreigners die. (Though the Legions sacraficiability has allowed it to do some good.)

If these men are offered citizenship, then they technically wouldn't be foreigners. But I'd see it as better to intigrate them.

[xyzer]

Why don't we just enforce immigration laws..catch em' and deport them?Heavilypenalize any employer who hires them?

As has been well pointed out these are in the main poorly educated, low skilled people who may or not .prove useful. Some may have health problems and even criminal tendencies? What loyalty do they have to the USA? Why waste money and time on them? We can do better.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: xyzer As has been well pointed out these are in the main poorly educated, low skilled people who may or not .prove useful. Some may have health problems and even criminal tendencies? What loyalty do they have to the USA? Why waste money and time on them? We can do better.

Uhh...

SOMEBODY has to carry the rifles, and US citizens are less and less enthusiastic about the Imperium's foreign wars. The army needs bodies...:confused:

[Gods_Mercenary]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Uhh... SOMEBODY has to carry the rifles, and US citizens are less and less enthusiastic about the Imperium's foreign wars. The army needs bodies...:confused:

It's tough to get soldiers when you're the richest nation in the world and your leaders whether through corruption or sheer ignorance underman and under supply you for the mission they were planning on giving you. The sooner we get out of Iraq with some dignity the better for the armed forces.

[SleepingOwl]

Quote by: xyzer Why don't we just enforce immigration laws..catch em' and deport them?Heavilypenalize any employer who hires them?

Well thats a good point. Even if we start that now though, we still have to do something about the ones here now; finding them, rounding them up, and deporting them. That will take a lot of work. Money too.

I dont think it should be the Army's job, i am suggesting it as an option to give the illegals that now reside in America. If they dont want to do it, fine they can go home and try to reenter legally.

Many of you are making a mistake in logic. to assume that poor and dirty equates to mental deficiency, you are sorely mistaken.

I like the idea, except mix them in with the regular troops. No isolation!

Agreed

[SoylentGreen]

So if you get rid of them then who gets to do all the low paid dirty jobs that a white man wouldn't touch?

[SleepingOwl]

Yes . but why should it be the armies job?

The Army needs more people, they are undermanned. Dont think of this as a burden on them. They may need to create a few jobs to help with integration but, the overall effect will be beneficial to both parties.

So if you get rid of them then who gets to do all the low paid dirty jobs that a white man wouldn't touch?

What do you think they will do win the get out of the military. This program is to allow them to earn citezenship. I dont think this should be the only option either. It is not like every single illegal will be in the military.

[thx1138]

I think there would be a tendicy by leaders to use the military option even more freely then they do now. Nobody is going to loose to many votes for sending illegal immigrants to be killed in a war.