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Mr.Vicchio · Aug 12, 2007, 03:55 pm

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A group of Muslims have opposed plans for a pet food factory to be built as possible pork emissions will violate their religious rights.

Butchers Pet Care could shelve plans for a factory in Coton Park, near Rugby, because angry Asian families have complained to their residents' association about pork smells drifting into their garden.

Muslim residents in the area also claim the pork will effectively "rain down" on their homes and gardens after the factory's 100ft chimney has pumped the meat extracts into the atmosphere.

The Coton Park Residential Association said they have received complaints from Muslims - who are directed to not eat pork by the Qur'an - and are taking the matter very seriously.

Muslims protest over pet food factory that could 'rain down' pork | the Daily Mail

It's a free country, they can move. Factory = jobs, jobs trump their fears.

But we know that they will win, and the factory won't be built, and people who would benefit from the jobs will be out of luck.

What's next?

jose · Aug 12, 2007, 04:17 pm

wont affect you much Mrv as this is in UK,
but it reminds me of the Jewish dilemma....a free ham

Mr.Vicchio · Aug 12, 2007, 04:21 pm

Well watching the west fall prey to the demands of Islam should concern any free thinking freedom loving person. Civil war is coming. A real no kidding fighting in the streets war between Islam and the west is coming, or we all better get real familiar with the Koran.

Compugasm · Aug 12, 2007, 04:31 pm

So, will it rain bacon or not? I bet you could find people willing to pay a premium to be showered with pork products.

**Matt W** · Aug 12, 2007, 04:34 pm

Is it the fact that this is another act of NIMBYism bothering you, Mr.V? Or just the fact that it's Muslims? Tell me, does the Daily Mail mention protests by any other groups? I bet they don't....

arielmessenger · Aug 12, 2007, 05:40 pm

to some degree.

If you let Muslims dictate their religious beliefs so that non-Muslims are deprived of rights, e.g. here, deprived of jobs so that Muslim religious sensitivities are not offended, then where do you draw the line?

Islam is based on religious lies. Time to expose the lies and stop the religious madness from continuing on in nations where citizens are supposedly educated.

Mr.Vicchio · Aug 12, 2007, 05:45 pm

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Quote by: Matt W

Is it the fact that this is another act of NIMBYism bothering you, Mr.V? Or just the fact that it's Muslims? Tell me, does the Daily Mail mention protests by any other groups? I bet they don't....

Covering for the muslims again Matt?

They don't want to be rained on by "Pork" products. It's not NIMBY it's forcing their religious restrictions on the world.

**Matt W** · Aug 12, 2007, 06:19 pm

Covering for Muslims, or confronting discrimination? Again, did the Daily Mail have anything apart from this? Or have you been seduced by tabloid journalism again, Mr.V?

**Jack** · Aug 12, 2007, 06:26 pm

How is this any different than a Christian group protesting the opening of an adult book store in their neighborhood. I agree with you, Mr. V, no religious group should be allowed to restrict our freedoms based on their beliefs. To paraphrase ariel, "If you let Muslims, Christians or any other religious group dictate their religious beliefs so that non-Muslims or other non-believers are deprived of rights, e.g. here, deprived of jobs so that Muslim, Christian or other's religious sensitivities are not offended, then where do you draw the line?"

Technosoul · Aug 12, 2007, 07:49 pm

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Quote by: Mr.Vicchio

Muslims protest over pet food factory that could 'rain down' pork | the Daily Mail

It's a free country, they can move. Factory = jobs, jobs trump their fears.

But we know that they will win, and the factory won't be built, and people who would benefit from the jobs will be out of luck.

What's next?

They can also move the factory site somewhere else instead of moving that whole community of people, and another location can get all the jobs ( along with the pork polution). No big problem.

Most companies like that as well as resturants are required to install proper filters or locate in unpopulared areas. No one wants to be subjected to 'fall outs' and that is not news. They only made it newsworthy because Muslems are part of the story.

Technosoul · Aug 12, 2007, 07:52 pm

Side issue; Never feed your doggies ham because it can kill them.
Pet food company?

Mr.Vicchio · Aug 12, 2007, 07:58 pm

Adult bookstores are a lot different then a pork factory. Nice try though Isherwood.

Let's compare!

Jobs:
Pork Factory: 50+.

Adult Bookstore: 5+/-2

Winner! Pork!

Clientèle

PF: Trucks, trucks and more trucks. Noise, congestion.

ABS: Shady people, sexual predators And people that just want porn.

Winner: Pork!

Crime Rates:

PF: Laid off people, homeless, drugs.

ABS: Rape and other sex crimes, drugs.

Winner: Pork, but only by a snout

So there you go, your comparisons are not valid Isherwood.

Aug 12, 2007, 08:04 pm

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Quote by: Mr.Vicchio

Muslims protest over pet food factory that could 'rain down' pork | the Daily Mail

It's a free country, they can move. Factory = jobs, jobs trump their fears.

But we know that they will win, and the factory won't be built, and people who would benefit from the jobs will be out of luck.

What's next?

Gee, V. Don't people have any rights to be concerned about local development and quality of life issues? It's the fact they're Muslims that bothers you, it seems.

Regards
S.

Mr.Vicchio · Aug 12, 2007, 08:06 pm

No, it's the fact that people can't have jobs because of them. I could care less that they are muslim.

But keep assuming, it suits you.

**Jack** · Aug 12, 2007, 08:44 pm

Your comparison of adult book store vs. pork factory is unconvincing. What about the vendors and suppliers who also will see a profit from a book store? But that aside, you failed to comment on making your advocated policy apply to all religious objections.

Netopalis · Aug 12, 2007, 11:10 pm

Personally, I think that the US constitution rightly makes it unconstitutional for a city to determine land use on a property in situations like this. However, citizens can also protest - it is their constitutional right. In the end, I don't believe that I've ever been near a factory with pork emissions, so I can't speak from experience - but I don't believe it would be that big a deal. Really.

**Matt W** · Aug 13, 2007, 01:58 am

How does this:

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Quote by: Mr V

I could care less that they are muslim.

Compare with this:

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Quote by: Mr V

Well watching the west fall prey to the demands of Islam should concern any free thinking freedom loving person. Civil war is coming. A real no kidding fighting in the streets war between Islam and the west is coming, or we all better get real familiar with the Koran.

Exactly? :rolleyes:

SoylentGreen · Aug 13, 2007, 02:54 am

Did it ever occur to you that there isn't a great need to build a factory in that spot.
Would seem easier to move one factory than dozens of households.
And if there mostly muslims in the area then its not providing jobs for the locals is it.

Aug 12, 2007, 04:21 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	Well watching the west fall prey to the demands of Islam should concern any free thinking freedom loving person. Civil war is coming. A real no kidding fighting in the streets war between Islam and the west is coming, or we all better get real familiar with the Koran. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Aug 12, 2007, 04:31 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Compugasm Son of X51 Location: San Diego Posts: 3,780	So, will it rain bacon or not? I bet you could find people willing to pay a premium to be showered with pork products. Death to Videodrome! Long live The New flesh!

Aug 12, 2007, 04:34 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 6,771	Is it the fact that this is another act of NIMBYism bothering you, Mr.V? Or just the fact that it's Muslims? Tell me, does the Daily Mail mention protests by any other groups? I bet they don't.... I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

Aug 12, 2007, 05:40 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
arielmessenger BANNED Posts: 701	Vecchio's right to some degree. If you let Muslims dictate their religious beliefs so that non-Muslims are deprived of rights, e.g. here, deprived of jobs so that Muslim religious sensitivities are not offended, then where do you draw the line? Islam is based on religious lies. Time to expose the lies and stop the religious madness from continuing on in nations where citizens are supposedly educated.

Aug 12, 2007, 06:19 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Matt W Moderator Location: Reading, UK. Posts: 6,771	Covering for Muslims, or confronting discrimination? Again, did the Daily Mail have anything apart from this? Or have you been seduced by tabloid journalism again, Mr.V? I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

Aug 12, 2007, 04:17 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
jose Volcanic Erupter Location: España Posts: 2,608	wont affect you much Mrv as this is in UK, but it reminds me of the Jewish dilemma....a free ham

Aug 12, 2007, 06:26 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 13,741	How is this any different than a Christian group protesting the opening of an adult book store in their neighborhood. I agree with you, Mr. V, no religious group should be allowed to restrict our freedoms based on their beliefs. To paraphrase ariel, "If you let Muslims, Christians or any other religious group dictate their religious beliefs so that non-Muslims or other non-believers are deprived of rights, e.g. here, deprived of jobs so that Muslim, Christian or other's religious sensitivities are not offended, then where do you draw the line?" The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Aug 12, 2007, 07:52 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
Technosoul Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,663	Side issue; Never feed your doggies ham because it can kill them. Pet food company?

Aug 12, 2007, 07:58 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	Adult bookstores are a lot different then a pork factory. Nice try though Isherwood. Let's compare! Jobs: Pork Factory: 50+. Adult Bookstore: 5+/-2 Winner! Pork! Clientèle PF: Trucks, trucks and more trucks. Noise, congestion. ABS: Shady people, sexual predators And people that just want porn. Winner: Pork! Crime Rates: PF: Laid off people, homeless, drugs. ABS: Rape and other sex crimes, drugs. Winner: Pork, but only by a snout So there you go, your comparisons are not valid Isherwood. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Aug 12, 2007, 08:06 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,335	No, it's the fact that people can't have jobs because of them. I could care less that they are muslim. But keep assuming, it suits you. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Aug 12, 2007, 08:44 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 13,741	Your comparison of adult book store vs. pork factory is unconvincing. What about the vendors and suppliers who also will see a profit from a book store? But that aside, you failed to comment on making your advocated policy apply to all religious objections. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Aug 12, 2007, 11:10 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
Netopalis Peculiar. Location: Bluefield, WV Posts: 179	Personally, I think that the US constitution rightly makes it unconstitutional for a city to determine land use on a property in situations like this. However, citizens can also protest - it is their constitutional right. In the end, I don't believe that I've ever been near a factory with pork emissions, so I can't speak from experience - but I don't believe it would be that big a deal. Really.

Aug 13, 2007, 02:54 am	#18 (permalink) (top)
SoylentGreen Volcanic Erupter Posts: 2,866	Did it ever occur to you that there isn't a great need to build a factory in that spot. Would seem easier to move one factory than dozens of households. And if there mostly muslims in the area then its not providing jobs for the locals is it.