Things that Liberals believe that drive Conservatives nuts

Quote by: Deadeye We would not have supported Pol Pot. We do not prop up the Saudi leadership, they are doing that on their own. I suppose you'd like that nation to be taken over by the radical Muslims? As for China we have nothing to do with their government either. We just trade with them. I guess that we believe that "keeping our enemy close" is a good plan. So, lets see; if we adhere to your master plan, we've got to invade and annex China, and Saudi Arabia and Pakistan. I'll bet you wouldn't support that plan for a moment. What I think that you support is the defeat of the Bush administration at any cost. I'm sure that you will applaud if we lose this war.

There you go again, making false statements about some "master plan" I'm supposed to have. Given you consistently make false statements about me, why should anyone believe you're not making false statements about everything else?

Regards
S.

Quote by: Deadeye Isn't it about time for your 2 O'clock feeding?

There you go again, another false statement. I don't get a "2 O'clock feeding".

Regards
S.

[LadiesMan217]

One that really bugs me is when they say that the 2000 election was given to Bush by the Supreme Court. I would take more issue with the fact that Gore one the popular vote so more people voted for him because I am not even sure about what to think about the electoral college, it would seem to make more sense to have the one with most votes win, but that is not the way it is so Bush technically won the election.

[Alive]

Quote by: sdbest This is the basis of your defense of the Vietnam war? For all you know, the U.S. would have supported Pol Pot had it prevailed in Vietnam.

For all we know? The US did support Pol Pot. And guess who stopped Pol Pot? The Vietnamese!

Quote by: Alive For all we know? The US did support Pol Pot. And guess who stopped Pol Pot? The Vietnamese!

Correct, and thank you for making the point. I was responding to Deadeye's hypothetical assertion, "If we would have won that war the carnage caused by Pol Pot would not have come about."

Regards
S.

[smallpox]

I guess this thread would be useful if society could be divided into two and everyone on each side shared the exact same opinion concerning everything.
BTW, Deadeye, "Whites" and "Blacks" were also immigrants and I would like the stress 1950's and 1960's. I would also like to refer to today's date, I'm sure you can find a calendar somewhere in your vicinity and figure out how to use it.

[shawmutt]

I think you're getting liberals confused with other groups. You pretty much covered every stereotypical and scapegoat opinion of liberals without adding much substance.

The "conservatives are stupid" thread was locked for a reason.

[smallpox]

As for China we have nothing to do with their government either. We just trade with them. I guess that we believe that "keeping our enemy close" is a good plan.

Of course you have nothing to do with the Chinese government, it's not like they're another small defenseless government to be walked on like a door mat.

[smallpox]

^^And they're starting to do a good job at buying American cars.

[Jern_Sandyer]

Quote by: Deadeye 3. Illegal aliens do work that regular Americans won't do. Nope, not so. When I was a kid in the 50's and 60's all work done in the US was done by White and Black Americans. We tilled the fields, picked the grapes, mowed the lawns, made the beds and hammered the nails. No Mexicans anywhere.

And now you have all gotten a higher standard of living then you grew up in so you think that your children are better than to take such minial tasks. So in comes the Mexicans to fill the void. Question with the amount of illigals in the US has the amount of unemployment of white/black americans increased to a similar degree?

4. Mexican workers are underpaid. Not always. When I was living in Napa, California Mexican vinyard workers made $12 to $16 an hour, and received full medical benefits. No Whites worked in the vinyards. Not because they didn't want to but because the Mexians wouldn't let them.

That is one example, one thing is not enough to show a trend.

5. Failure in Iraq will be good for Americans' future. Nothing could be further from the truth.

In many ways you have already failed.

9. Big Oil is screwing Americans. No, Big Oil is providing gasoline. It's the Arabs who are screwing Americans. I do agree that things could be done by the oil companies so that they could provide cheaper gasoline. First step is to reduce regulations so that more refineries could be built more cheaply.

Thanks for the money America.

11. Drilling in ANWAR is evil. Just the opposite. Some think there's as much oil in ANWAR as there is under the Saudi desert. Let's go after it. The footprint in ANWAR would be only a mile to so square. Little loss for the huge benefit it'd provide.

ANWAR, please explain I did a quick look and all I got is this Bollywood film. (I am Canadian so don't shoot)

12. Social Welfare programs help the poor. No, just the opposite. Welfare programs lock the poor into poverty. AFDC led to the breakdown of Black society, and didn't help the poor of other races as well. There are many example of how The Great Society hurt the poor, but the subject is too long and difficult to outline here.

What about the working poor who just can't make ends meet? They are hard working Americans but life circumstances mean they are below the poverty line.

13. All slaves in the US suffered terribly. Not so, while I'm not a proponent of slavery, it's true that only 3% of Blacks imported from Africa came to the US. Under slavery the Culture of Black Americans thrived. We see the results of this throught out America society today. Jazz and some forms of tap dancing are examples. And don't forget a third of all Blacks living in the Ante Bellum South were freed men and women. Jim Crowe hadn't come about yet and didn't until Reconstruction. And a great many Black Americans, both free and slave owned slaves themselves. Again, I do not support slavery in any way. But slaves came out of slavery pretty well, and some/many lived pretty good lives in bondage.

It is a very small population that lived nearly a half decent life. Does whipping mean anything to you. Ownership of a person. That is wrong to every moral fibre that should be in your body. Also one word defies your rational for after slavery was abolished

Segregation

14. Before the arrival of Europeans in the New World the Indians lived idealic, peaceful lives. Nothing could be farther from the truth. Indian cultures were in a constant state of vicious warfare.

True it wasn't idealic but it wasn't constant warfare either. They led mostly normal lives with occasional wars cropping up do to conflict. The Iroquis Confedercy point and case

15. Whites in the US wanted to slaughter the Indians. No we wanted to eduate Indians and keep them safe from other Indians. Least most of the time. It was the Indians who were slaughtering fellow Indinas and Whites that caused the settlers to demand that soldiers be brought to the West to protect them from marauding Indians.

You have been watching TOO many Cowboy and Indian movies. You forget that the settlers demanded that soldiers be brought out west to get indians off the land which they wanted. The indians protecting thier ancestoral land that they were being forced off of. Marauding Indias HA, more like PEOPLE trying to get thier land back.

16. We should not have dropped the nuclear bombs on Japan. Far from true. We saved many millions of lives, both Japanese and American by dropping those two bombs and thereby winning and ending World War II.

But was 2 needed?

17. FDR was a great president. No so. The New Deal was universally considered a failure in 1937. Social Security is/was a disaster. FDR gave victory to the Soviets after WWII.

I don't know enough about FDR but the glance we gave him when I was studying my small amount of American history in grade 9 I got the impression that the New Deal saved the American economy. If I remember correctly one of the things it did was provided many jobs to the vast unemployed numbers of Americans.

18. Viet Nam was a bad war. Nope. If we would have won many millions of people would both be alive and more prosperous now that they were after our defeat.

May I ask what you have been smoking? Please share.

19. We should only allow people to speak to us if we agree with them. This belief that is popular among the Left is atrocious. All people, even those who are wrong have a right to be heard.

That is a left belief?

20. Christians are evil. By in large Christians are good. Sure they have had some rough history, but they learned and they genuinely believe in the goodness of peace and love.

I never knew that was a liberal belief as well. I guess my church it a bunch of self haters. (United Church of Canada, only mainstream denomination to support gay marriage)

21. Gay people are predisposed to be that way. I suppose this may be true in some instances. But for the most part gays are "that way" because they want to be.

So people want to be treated as second class citizens? No I think they just want to live the truth about themselves.

23. If it feels good do it. No, if it's the right thing to do for most people then do it. If that is, it conforms to our cultural beliefs.

You have taken two end of the spectrum of which neither is the right answer.

24. We can stop Global Warming. The climate of the Earth is always in a state of flux. We can do nothing, or very little to change this fact.

But we try to limit the effects we are having in changing the climate.

26. Capitalism is bad. No, socialism is bad. Capitalism provides more goods and services as well as contented successful citizens than does any other economic system. Capitalism happens by itself. It's not created. Adam Smith did not cause capitalism to happen he just observed and codified it.

He only saw a form of quasi-capitalism and tried with a high degree of success to fix the system that was in place. But he made a few mistakes, like he didn't take monopolies into account. The government is needed to counter buiseness when the corporate interests are against societies intrests.

27. The rich exploit the poor. The rich people employ the poor, so that they too can become rich. There are more rich workers in this country than in any other society in history.

Your scope is too small. you view America but where do the low priced goods for the American consumer come from? Malaysian sweatshops, $1 day workers in Ghana, child labourors in Uganda. Rich America exploits poor third world countries. And please don't use the retort of if we didn't give them a job who would. Many of the third world's problems are a result of coloniaism which made them econmically fragile then when the countries became independant they were open to economic exploitation. Multinationals (many which are American based) tend to inadvertantly help continue the poverty cycle. They take many of the profits from thier overseas operations and bring it back over to America.

Jern_Sandyer

[shawmutt]

ANWAR, please explain I did a quick look and all I got is this Bollywood film. (I am Canadian so don't shoot)

It's ANWR, but politicians and others with an agenda like to make everything into an acronym to suck all the life out of the term. Lots of talk about "small footprints" blah blah. It is the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, and some think that the answer to all our problems is more oil! In reality, the huge oil lobby and the record profits received by oil companies has gone a long way to making the case to feed us more oil. It's all about the money.

Realistically speaking, and looking at trends past and present, the more oil we have the more we'll use. Drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge is just a slippery slope that offers no real solution.

For some research and opinions on the matter:

Arctic National Wildlife Refuge

The following link is pushing a pro-drill agenda. This one's pretty funny, complete with pictures of animals interacting with oil pipelines to prove that there's no effect on wildlife.

anwr.org - Arctic National Wildlife Refuge

[grandpa]

Quote by: Deadeye Simple: If we would have won that war the carnage caused by Pol Pot would not have come about. The standard of living in South Vietnam would be greater than it is today.

Simple, but also dead wrong.
The Vietnam War killed millions of Vietnamese, caused birth defects among their population, destroyed vast sections of land, left landmines all over the place, etc. etc.

I know you aren't really capable of acknowledging any of this, but the facts remain.

You also immediately suggested that the Vietnam War would have prevented Pol Pot, even though US bombing in Cambodia was heavily responsible for his coming into power to begin with.

Grandpa h.

[belverron]

Quote by: Deadeye 20. Christians are evil. By in large Christians are good. Sure they have had some rough history, but they learned and they genuinely believe in the goodness of peace and love.

Quote by: Wikipedia, "Current members of the United States Congress" Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, allegedly a Scientologist, has been in Congress since 1989. Dalip Singh Saund, elected in 1956, was the first, and so far only, Sikh in Congress.[1] Keith Ellison became the first, and so far only, Muslim to be elected into the United States Congress on November 7, 2006. [2] Mazie Hirono and Hank Johnson became the first two Buddhists to be elected to the United States Congress on November 7, 2006, although Mazie Hirono is not a practicing Buddhist.

I am not myself Christian and am obviously not represented as I would like in our government. This is the kind of stuff that pisses people off. You claim that a large portion of the population harbors anti-Christian sentiment, but there is no evidence of that in the body of people that leads us. In fact, the vast majority of Americans does not care what your religious beliefs are, as long as you are not an atheist, which I pretty much am.

21. Gay people are predisposed to be that way. I suppose this may be true in some instances. But for the most part gays are "that way" because they want to be.

This ignorance cannot be substantiated by any reputable source.

23. If it feels good do it. No, if it's the right thing to do for most people then do it. If that is, it conforms to our cultural beliefs.

As another poster has pointed out, John Stuart Mill hates you.

24. We can stop Global Warming. The climate of the Earth is always in a state of flux. We can do nothing, or very little to change this fact.

Really? You might want to let the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change know. I'm sure they would find it a relief. Oh, and the U.S. National Research Council. And the American Geophysical Union. And the American Institute of Physics. And the American Astronomical Society. And the Federal Climate Change Science Program. And the American Association for Advancement of Science. I'm sure they'll C.C. all the rest.

The American Association of Petroleum Geologists will be glad of the backup. They were getting lonely.

27. The rich exploit the poor. The rich people employ the poor, so that they too can become rich. There are more rich workers in this country than in any other society in history.

This comes from the Wikipedia article on the subject. The Gini coefficient measures inequality in income distribution, with the highest number indicating the greatest inequality.

Gini coefficients for the United States at various times, according to the US Census Bureau:

* 1967: 0.397 (first year reported)
* 1968: 0.386 (lowest coefficient reported)
* 1970: 0.394
* 1980: 0.403
* 1990: 0.428
* 2000: 0.462
* 2005: 0.469 (most recent year reported; highest coefficient reported)

So much for the poor becoming rich. We also have the third-highest wealth disparity in the world, right behind our good pals, Russia and Mexico.

I look forward to your well-reasoned and well-supported response. K thx bye.