If it started right now... today.... who would win?

[Praxius]

This is of course a hypothetical situaiton with no serious final answers that can be proven..... but I figured this would be a good section to put it, for fun of course:

With the US army stretched thin with the war in Iraq, Afghanistan, occupation of South Korea, Japan, and many other countries across the globe... and with Canada building up it's army and equipment to be on par with other major countries as we once were during WWI, WWII and there after until the late 70-80's.... I see a pattern:

As we are becoming more of a stronger force then what we have been in the last 20 some odd years, as our dollar is constantly reaching par with the US dollar, as our employment is increasing, etc...... if Canada was to say..... Oh I dunno.... invade the living b-jesus out of the US right now.... like as you read this.... how long do you think this war would last? Who do you think would win?

Now before you go and say that the US would nuke the crap out of us, or you guys have a larger military compared to us, and the sort.... please do a slight bit of research before posting. Canadian Patiotism is at a good height these days, while in the US, citizens are devided by the government, the deceptions and mistrust the governemnt imposes on it's people, with the stretches forces in Iraq and even your National Guard being sent over..... how do you see the outcome?

Why hypothetical ends do you see?

In fact, I don't just want one side..... I would like to hear both sides from everybody.

What would happen if the US won? What would happen if Canada won? What would happen if the Canadian citizens turned and joined the US? What would happen if the US citizens joined Canada?

Now this is just for fun...... perhaps I could see this becoming some flame war.... but tis all in good fun and I think it'd be interesting to see what people think would happen.

Your answers can be serious or humorus, like if Canada won, everybody in the US would have to be designated flannel coats and pancakes or something.... I dunno.... use your imagination

[SoylentGreen]

As Canada is still part of the commonwealth you would have the full backing and support of all commonwealth countries.
New Zealand will send over their peace keeping forces to help rebuild bridges, schools dig new wells and hand out chocolate bars to the refugee american children. While the SAS will secretly parachute into the rockies from which they will spend their time fishing , hunting deer and drinking while sending faked radio messages on american terrorist movements.
India ( I know there not part of the commonwealth anymore but once they hear of this opportunity they will fall over themselves to rejoin ) will send out troops who will immediately desert and open up restaurants and small shopping markets.
The australians will all get drunk then go and enlist. From there they will be sent to Cairo for three months intensive training and a huge pissup. Then they will all be put on boats and get so drunk that they will end up landing on the wrong beach and iimmediately invade the first bar they come across and get horribly drunk.
And the English will send over troops to get the back the taxes plus interest owed on the tea.

[Praxius]

lmao, that's funny.... nice one.

[shawmutt]

Well, if it's any sign, I'm already learning Canadian. Now how aboot some pop, eh?

[inthemiddle]

Quote by: Praxius Why hypothetical ends do you see?

I wouldnt have a problem if our taxes went down, and we gained freedom. To be honest there are days that I am so fed up with this government, I seriously consider moving to Canada as it is.

But if you really want to know what would happen, just take a trip to Arizona, and look at all the gun stores we have. Most Americans here would fight back.

My guess is that you'd have a lot of luck in some of the more progressive states like vermont, they'd probably be thrilled to be canadians.

I'm not sure the size of your armed forces, but I'm guessing you'd maybe get 1/3 of the US under your control before your progress was stopped.

[Technosoul]

Canada might win, as we could not use nuclear bombs because the fall out could drift back into the the USA. If Canada effected a surprise first strike their jets might reach major military targets here before we knew what was happening as that would be unexpected. Not sure if England would be much help for the USA in that situation, but if Russia came to the rescue of the USA then Canada would have a problem. The northern boarder is not well protected (on both sides) and so if Canada prepared to secure that ahead of time then Canada would have the upper hand, also Canada has lots of wilderness areas to operate out of.

But our military is not our only line of defense, most of our population is well armed and many of us have offroad vehicles, and we have skilled policemen and swap teams, and emergency back up from doctors and firemen, and our population is spread out and not as isolated in local spots as they are in Canada. We could make a quick "deal" with Mexico to get more manpower, and we would say "to hell with Irag" and within a week all our military forces would focus on Canada. (hey, Halliburton would like some of your oil fields to add to the business, as that would be a solution for us to have 'domestic oil resources' once we have occupied Canada. And so Canada might have the advantage for a few days, but then we would overcome and make you another one of our states of the union, while all the Canadian terrorists are placed in prisons that we would build near the north pole - or we could "export our prison business" to China or Mexico like we did for other kinds of jobs.

[Praxius]

Quote by: inthemiddle I'm not sure the size of your armed forces, but I'm guessing you'd maybe get 1/3 of the US under your control before your progress was stopped.

I dunno... You guys have always been know for numbers and tech..... but we've been known more for stratigy and resourcefulness in our military. We were outnumbered when you guys invaded Canada way back when, and we fought back and pushed all the way to washington and burned the white house down when we left..... Sometimes I wonder what could have happened if we kept going.

Also, remember the Devil's Bregade in WWII? They consisted half of US convicts and guys who couldn't really get into the military on their own, and the other half was a group of Canadian soldiers... the two countries merged them together, the Canadians trained the US troops and they became a very skilled bregade.... they sucessfully completed many risky and dangerous missions and the captured Germans called them the "Devil's Bregade" due to their skills. abilities and how quickly they took them over.... as if they were possesed or something.

This is also one of the main reasons why our Canadian troops are in the front lines of Afghanistan right now.... we're in the most riskiest areas of Afghanistan and we've led most of the operations into battle since we've been there. We don't have the most troops there, but we're responsible for most of the very important missions and locations of the country...... and due to the risk, is also why no other countries want to send more troops to help us.... which is also why people here in Canada are starting to want to pull out.... because we're doing most of the work.

Not many know this around the world, but the majority of our missions in WWI, WWII, and abroad have almost always been missions where we wern't expected to suceed. Poland is a good example, and how we liberated them.... we lost many many troops trying to liberate them, but we did..... and Canada and Poland has a very close relationship in the world due to this.... I have great respect for them and what they went through, and people form there I know have great respect and thanks for what we did for them and the sacrifices made to do so.

I think the difference in our troops is that our troops usually have personal beliefs in what they are doing.... that it's not about profit or for oil, or for land..... most of our battles have always consisted towards liberation, freedom and the safety of those who can not defend themselves.....

Our troops who were a part of the UN task forces in Bosnia are another example. When I was joining up for Malitia, I had a chance to talk to my recruiter for a bit, who just came back form there about a month before (This was a few years ago, of course) and I got to talk to him about his experiences. They fight for their own personal principles.... not just for the country, not just for some politician's ideals.... but for things they believe in, whatever that may be.....

Ask most of the troops in Afghanistan, and although we have lost a lot of troops compared to the % we have there, they are all still very determined to be there.... it's not because of the war on terrorism..... now that they are there, they see how the people live and they want them to have better.... plain and simple..... that's mostly their answers given. They love to see the kids smile for a change when they're given toys, and they tell of the progress they see.... although slow.... they can see major changes just in the past year, and thus, this is why they themselves say they have to remain there..... not the poloticians.... the troops.... and so long as they believe in what they are doing, I'll support them.

[Rooster]

That sure would suck for all the people who moved to Canada to avoid the draft.

[Kamehameha34]

Rofl. That was brilliant, Rooster :)

[Praxius]

Yeah that would kinda suck for them..... I wonder what kind of factor that would have? Would their friends and family in the US have more concern for them in Canada then their own country? Would they be insurged into your country for our defense and their protection?

Would those Draft Dodgers feel they need to fight for the freedom they had to abandon everything they knew for? Would Canada be their last stand against the US government and would they join our forces to protect their own freedom?

Wouldn't that be a twist among many? lol

I know if I had to leave my country to keep my freedom, and then that country came knocking on my doors...... I wouldn't be running anymore, because for once I'd have home advantage with the country I fled to..... I wouldn't be surrounded by an entire country bent on my restrictions of my freedom and throwing me into some other war I didn't believe in.... and the country I am in wouldn't want to be invaded either, therefore the country that keeps me free would require my help.... it wouldn't be a war half way across the world for someone else's profit, it'd be for my freedom and way of life.....

If I was a dodger, and the US was coming through Canadian Borders, the one thing that would spell out for me is "Jail" if they won.

I don't see too many of them pleased about that.

[Technosoul]

By the way just how many oil wells do have up there, I wanna make sure it is worth our effort to fight back.

Poor laden did not have any oil wells and so he is still free and tying to egg us on to fight him, but is not getting the full attention of our military. His holy war was kind of a dud, where as the Irag war was conducted full-steam ahead.

So if you want to war with the USA please send in your application and make sure your list what oil resources you have so that we can figure in how many troops we want to devote to your war.

[Praxius]

Well for Starters, we got the Alberta Oil Sands.....

Oil Sands

Second only to the Saudi Arabia reserves, Alberta's oil sands deposits were described by Time Magazine as "Canada's greatest buried energy treasure," and "could satisfy the world's demand for petroleum for the next century".

That's right.... all the oil you guys need for the next couple of centuries to yourself is right above your noses..... COME GET SOME!!!

*Shoves the US*

Come on Big man..... what'cha gonna do?

*shoves more*

Come on? What are ya? Chicken??

*Mexico, Cuba, the UK, Iceland and Greenland nearby chanting: "FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!"*

*Principal UN comes in*

"Alright the two of you, knock it off.... I'd expect this kind of thing with North and South Korea, but you two?! Goto my office...... Canada, I'm really disapointed in you.... you used to be a good example.... now you're hanging in with the wrong crowd...... Do you think Columbia cares about your marks? Let me guess? Columbia has been sticking that Mary-Ju-Wana in your face haven't they? What?! You're growing your own??!! Shame shame......"

[tivodan1116]

CANADA:
Manpower fit for military service:

males age 16-49: 6,740,490
females age 16-49: 6,580,868 (2005 est.)

UNITED STATES:
Manpower fit for military service:

males age 18-49: 54,609,050
females age 18-49: 54,696,706 (2005 est.)

Add that in to the face that the United States' military budget is 4% of our much larger GDP, whereas Canada's is 1%, then add in the fact that NORAD operations is on our soil, meaning Canada would lose their air defense capabilities as soon as the United States realized what was going on, then add in the fact that Canadian arms are supplied in no small part by American manufacturers. Then finally add in the fact that if Canadian forces moved 100 miles south they would have barely come across a tiny fraction of the US population, whereas if American troops moved north 100 miles 90% of Canada would be behind enemy lines and largely unable to assist. Oh yeah, and Canada would instantly be fighting a two-front war because the Americans could come in through Alaska as well.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it would be over in a real hurry, even if there were initial successes by the northerners.

[Rooster]

Rumor has it that in North Dakota, they only let people in from the South anyway.

[Praxius]

Quote by: tivodan1116 CANADA: Manpower fit for military service: males age 16-49: 6,740,490 females age 16-49: 6,580,868 (2005 est.) UNITED STATES: Manpower fit for military service: males age 18-49: 54,609,050 females age 18-49: 54,696,706 (2005 est.) Add that in to the face that the United States' military budget is 4% of our much larger GDP, whereas Canada's is 1%

Lol.... that's not apparently helping you in Iraq now is it?

then add in the fact that NORAD operations is on our soil, meaning Canada would lose their air defense capabilities as soon as the United States realized what was going on

That doesn't shut off our Air Defenses..... you think we'd give the US entire control and access to our Air Defense? NORAD is geared towards Nuclear and other ballistic missles around the world.... it was a joint effort between Canada and the US..... do you really think we'd allow all control to be in Colorado and us not being able to do something in an emergency? We're not that two dimensional......

NORAD is not our entire air defense, so'z you know.

and besides.... turning off missile defenses here in Canada that have been fixated towards Russia since the Cold War that have been faulty and crappy since they were installed isn't going to help you much..... the idiot government which was in power at the time should have stuck with the Avro Arrows production.

then add in the fact that Canadian arms are supplied in no small part by American manufacturers.

Really?

You guys designed the Leopord Tank have you?

the C6 and C9 Machine Guns? Built in Belgium

the C7 Service Rifle that is common place in our military?.... built in Canada?

The .50cal LRSW? Canadian.

The C3A1 Sniper Rifle? UK.

M3 Carl Gustav 84mm SRAAW(M) anti-armour platoon gun? Sweeden.


81 mm mortar? UK

ERYX Anti Tank? France.

Javelin surface-to-air missile? UK

LG1 Mark II 105 mm towed howitzer? France.

about 1/3 of our vehicles come from your country, Most of them from Germany (Such as our Leopord Tanks) but I am sure we could find someone else to fill in that tiny gap.

Then finally add in the fact that if Canadian forces moved 100 miles south they would have barely come across a tiny fraction of the US population

Then it should be easy to get quite far with little resistance.

whereas if American troops moved north 100 miles 90% of Canada would be behind enemy lines and largely unable to assist.

lol.... you gotta get behind us first.... hence why were are inceasing our military pressence in the Artic.

Oh yeah, and Canada would instantly be fighting a two-front war because the Americans could come in through Alaska as well.

Split your forces? ok... Considdering Alaska is pretty much an extra Canadian Province anyways, lol....

Sorry to burst your bubble, but it would be over in a real hurry, even if there were initial successes by the northerners.

Yeah, Iraq was suppose to be quick too..... keep diggin. If this was to happen, you're own arrogance would be your downfall.... history continues to prove this.

[yourwrong]

Praxius, your forgetting how important the U.S. economy is if we grow broke, We would cause a worldwide depression. So a lot of countries would ally with the United States . Like possibly china, rich terrorists in saudi arabi who own oil, and Drug lords from multiple countries. Plus all the mercenarys that we can hire. While Canada would only have Al Queda and other terroist groups not dependant on the U.S. buying their oil.

[tmay563]

the US would slaughter Canada in a month if they ever tried to invade us.

[Alive]

Quote by: Praxius Now before you go and say that the US would nuke the crap out of us, or you guys have a larger military compared to us, and the sort.... please do a slight bit of research before posting. Canadian Patiotism is at a good height these days

Now how exactly does patriotism protect against nukes? This might be useful someday.

[Century 25]

Praxius.. I think you have a right to be concerned. I think that with the insatiable thirst China has for oil, and the Haliburton/Bush/Cheney syndicate licking greedily at their lips.. anything is possible. I did read where Bush stated that the land above ?? latitude was "open" for.. exploitation..

I wouldn't speculate on an actual "war" with Bush Inc. - however.. the real danger to Canada's forces would be the "armed-to-the-teeth" populace here. These people here are nutty.. shooting at someone means little.

[Praxius]

Quote by: yourwrong Praxius, your forgetting how important the U.S. economy is if we grow broke, We would cause a worldwide depression. So a lot of countries would ally with the United States . Like possibly china, rich terrorists in saudi arabi who own oil, and Drug lords from multiple countries. Plus all the mercenarys that we can hire. While Canada would only have Al Queda and other terroist groups not dependant on the U.S. buying their oil.

I guess you don't keep up with the news that it is projected that our Canadian Dollar will meet level and possibly surpass the value of the US Dollar? It's almost at it's highest peak in 30 years.

Stephen Harper is now as of this week touring in South America to look for more countries to trade with us, because we have no previous reputation of interfeering in their business.....

I think you might be suprised in another year and a half.

the US would slaughter Canada in a month if they ever tried to invade us.

Oh please.... by all means explain your theory to us so we can understand how you know this for sure.

Praxius.. I think you have a right to be concerned. I think that with the insatiable thirst China has for oil, and the Haliburton/Bush/Cheney syndicate licking greedily at their lips.. anything is possible. I did read where Bush stated that the land above ?? latitude was "open" for.. exploitation..

Which would explain why Harper has been plane hopping as of late to negotiate with other countries that the US won't touch..... We're going at it with a soft approach to these countries and we're not trying to undermine their countries..... as of now... Canada for the most part doesn't have much on their records to be angry about.... except for fighting in Afghanistan, but even the Taliban there claim they have respect for us, but still would wish us to leave, lol.... (Taken from a previous interview of a captured Taliban head figure a few months back)

I wouldn't speculate on an actual "war" with Bush Inc. - however.. the real danger to Canada's forces would be the "armed-to-the-teeth" populace here. These people here are nutty.. shooting at someone means little.

We know all about it..... as mentioned in another thread, over half of our media comes from the US.... so whatever you guys learn and know on TV, we know. Whatever you guys say on CNN or any other local station in a small town, we get and we hear.......

Of course other Provinces get other Channels form you guys, but here in NS, I knew we get Fox, CBS, ABC, PBS, CNN, CNN Headline, NBC, Not including your entertainment channels..... and that's just in my location with Basic cable.

Just out of curiosity, how many Canadian Channels do you guys get down there anyways? I ain't got a clue myself.... just wondering if it's the same..... because we do have almost as many channels and all that as you guys.... just wondering if this went back and forth.

But back to the civilians with the weapons and worrying about them.... We have been studying you down there for quite some time now Mr. Anderson..... we understand the devotion and patriotism towards freedom and the right to decide......

come to the dark side..... we have cookies.