If it started right now... today.... who would win?

[SoylentGreen]

ladiesman217 Why did we go to Vietnam Praxius then? For the oil?

AMERICAN OIL INVESTMENT in VIETNAM post 1994

Vietnam VETS (for some reason ) are doing major research on this OIL QUESTION!! DOESN'T COMPUTE cuz if you were stupid enough to fight there you weren’t smart enough to know that the reason the US GOV was there was to get the single biggest oil deposit on the planet! (In ocean, offshore Nam,)

[Praxius]

Quote by: ladiesman217 Why did we go to Vietnam Praxius then? For the oil? Interpret history however you want to boost your own Canadian ego which is so over-inflated as it is that a pillow could pop it.

Deerrr.... did anybody say anything about oil in Vietnam? :confused:

Nooo.... what were the reasons for you going to Vietnam? For the people's freedom based on your own constitutional logic? Because a few of your boats were sunk by mysterious reasons?

I dunno... how about you go ask your leaders and see what they can tell you.... since they did a far better job covering up their tracks back then, then this looser in power now.

And where does your hatred begin Praxius?

All the way back to when Bush rigged the election.... which even then I knew it got screwed up and it was a scam before I was even bothering to pay attention... but it's more distain then hatred...... just because I'm not prissy and polite doesn't mean I'm totally full of hatred and anger..... if anything I have a moderate level of annoyance towards the level of ignorance on this planet. Ye, have yet to see my hatred.

because every generalization you have made about the American citizens has very very ignorant. Did you google Gordon Sinclair's speech Praxius because I would really like to hear your feedback on it.

1st I don't care about what he had to say, considdering anybody can find 1 person in the world that will agree with them on something.... and it wouldn't do the debate any production anymore then me telling you to go watch Canadian Bacon with John Candy. But for "Entertainment Purposes" ~ I'll get a small jist of whatever you're trying to refer to......

Oh.... and speaking yet again of ignorance, you seem to be pretty ignorant as to who I was referencing in that above quote of mine.... which clearly wasn't in regards to your citizens if you took the time to read it..... I said the Military and those leading it, ie: Military Generals and the dork telling the Generals what to do.... your soldiers don't have the luxury of decisions, therefore nobody can blame them for following the orders given to them.

Even in regards to the friendly fire incidences discused in other threads, I don't directly blame the soldiers in question, but the intelligence provided to them by your leaders.

Next time you try and quote and argue something of mine, get it right.... of course that hasn't happened yet, so why bother?

[Praxius]

Read parts of his speech... whoopie.... anybody can find one brown noser and anybody can find someone who likes to point out the positives..... nor have I even bothered to argue much of what he said. I never once said you guys never did any good in the world.... in fact, I was promoting the good things you guys did in the past, compared to now..... where this relates to the topic I have no clue.

There could be plenty of people down there who could write all about our good things, if they learned any of our past that is..... but we're already knowlegable of our history, we don't need someone outside of the country to brown nose us. (At least I don't)

Like I said though, I never said you guys never did anything good.

So how does this guy's speech relate?

[Praxius]

Oh Wait a second.... he's flawed already now that I re-read it:

the rich bottom land of the Mississippi is under water and no foreign land has sent a dollar to help.

Counter:

Canadian response to Hurricane Katrina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Today, the rich bottom land of the Mississippi is under water and no foreign land has sent a dollar to help. Germany, Japan, and, to a lesser extent, Britain and Italy, were lifted out of the debris of war by the Americans who poured in billions of dollars and forgave other billions in debts. None of those countries is today paying even the interest on its remaining debts to the United States.

Counter: Doesn't the US have the world's largest debt to begin with? Hyocritical if you ask me and is irrelevent.

So far this spring, fifty-nine American communities have been flattened by tornadoes. Nobody has helped.

Well think about that for a second..... how has the US government helped with the tornados? How about the slow response time in Katrina? Your government seems to find the money to continue pointless wars, but when it comes to actual help of your own people, where is the help and money? Where is the government with the help towards your forest fires right now? All I see is help from the individual states nearby other states who are in need of it.... no direct assistance from the US Government.

Who sent firemen across the border to help with those? Canada perhaps? Wow, who would have thought?

Is this speech suppose to prove something? It's pretty inacurate and limited on information surrounding his comments and opinions..... shall I go futher?

The Marshall Plan, the Truman Policy, all pumped billions upon billions of dollars into discouraged countries. And now, newspapers in those countries are writing about the decadent, war-mongering Americans.

Just because you do one or two good things, doesn't excuse one or two bad things.... are they suppose to just shut up and suck up what your government is doing now? Just because they or any other country comments negativly towards your unfounded wars, doesn't make them ungreatful for your assistance..... that's just republican propaganda and irrelivent garbage.

More? Ok....

Now, I'd like to see one of those countries that is gloating over the erosion of the United States dollar build its own airplanes.

First, where does this comparison of 3rd world countries gloating about the US dollar have anything to do with the topic at hand, or Canada for that matter? So far this speech is only referring towards third world and other developing countries..... I don't see him de-evaluating Canada any.

Come on now, you, let's hear it! Does any other country in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo Jet, the Lockheed Tristar, or the Douglas 10? If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all international lines except Russia fly American planes? Why does no other land on earth even consider putting a man or a women on the moon?

Psshh... this is what you wanted me to read so badly? First, not only is he wrong in his assumption on the rest of the world and what planes they use, but putting a man on the moon? I have still yet to see solid evidence on that either.... let alone any rellivency of sending someone to a sand ball which it's primary use is for our tides alone.

You talk about Japanese technocracy and you get radios. You talk about German technocracy and you get automobiles. You talk about American technocracy and you find men on the moon, not once, but several times, and, safely home again.

Gee.. man on the moon..... wild man, just wild..... can't top that.... I guess that excuses everything in history then. And trivializing other countries accomplishments like he has? What a dork.... I don't attack your accomplishments, I attack your faults, and if nobody picks on someone's faults, then they won't learn they are and continue on their distruction or degredation of themselves. With the above logic this guy shows, I could compare the Soviet T34 to your Sherman tanks and claim they were the most useless tanks of WWII, but were used the most, because they were cheap and quick to develop. The Japanese, and many other countries have had their major developments in technology which the US and other countries take for granted..... like the Canadarm on the space station which is one of the most important tools on the station.... made in Canada.... I hardly see any rellavence to this topic.

You talk about scandals and the Americans put theirs right in the store window for everyone to look at.

3 cheers for the paparazzi.... which the UK has you beat.... good argument.

Even the draft dodgers are not pursued and hounded.

Derr... because they fled for their own saftey across our borders and has already been argued in the past between the two governments.... just because they don't now, doesn't mean they haven't tried before.

And as soon as they cross back, they're right in jail.... good argument.

They're right here on our streets in Toronto. Most of them, unless they're breaking Canadian laws, are getting American dollars from Ma and Pa at home to spend up here.

Shows what he knows of our immigration laws.

When the Americans get out of this bind -- as they will --

I don't disagree with that.... so long as someone finally takes action eventually.

...who could blame them if they said "the hell with the rest of the world." Let somebody else buy the Israel bonds. Let somebody else build or repair foreign dams, or design foreign buildings that won't shake apart in earthquakes." When the railways of France, and Germany, and India were breaking down through age, it was the Americans who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an old caboose. Both of 'em are still broke.

Wow... ther perks of being the so-called richest country in the world and you can't help yourselves.... perhaps you should say to hell with the rest of the world.... I hardly think many countries have much faith in your country now because of Bush's actions.... why would most of these countries have any trust in you guys sending troops or aid anywhere now?

Perhaps the reason why you guys can't help yourselves is because you're out dishing money left and right, as they say.... it's nobody's fault by your own country.... if you want to be generous, if you want to help, then don't go complaining about it afterwards. Nobody stuck a gun to your heads to help anybody, much like when they ask us for assistance...... and don't forget, you guys arn't the only angelic saviors of the planet who help others.

I can name to you 5,000 times when the Americans raced to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name to me even one time when someone else raced to the Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside help even during the San Francisco earthquake.

Is this what you hold your faith to? Holy cripes on a Big Mac diet.... this guys has no clue as to what he's talking about. Perhaps he has some point somewhere, but he lost it in his inaccurate/biased opinions of other countries in the world, including the one he's living in.

Do you seriously believe everything someone tells you so long as it compliments your country? Perhaps this is why you seem to have a hard time accepting the negatives.....

[Praxius]

Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I am one Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them kicked around. They'll come out of this thing with their flag high. And when they do, they're entitled to thumb their noses at the lands that are gloating over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of these. But there are many smug, self-righteous Canadians.

pssh.. lol.... in fact... lmao..... is this what you wanted me to read? Seriously?? As I said, my country is far from perfect as well.... and even we got our own idiots like this guy.... who knows some valid information, but he de-evaluates it with his ignorance of other countries, their points of views and their contributions.... much as many in here are ignorant of Canada's contributions and the like.

This guys is so screwed in his information, so biased and so information-limited in this so-called speech, it makes me laugh.

Are you trying to compare my annoyances of your own government screwing you and the rest of the world as gloating and kicking you guys while you're down? Got anymore republican propaganda to send my way? I suppose that since I'm not with Bush, I must be on the side of the Terrorists? Pssh.... please. I guess you guys arn't used to getting constructive critism.....

your country seems so egar to invade other countries for your own gains, to kill civilians and claim their collateral, you point and rub your own dam fingers in other countries matters even when it's not wanted, yet when the tables are turned, here you are, using this fool as backup to complain about other countries doing exactly what you guys do, minus invading other countries due to false pretenses.

And finally, the American Red Cross was told at its 48th Annual meeting in New Orleans this morning that it was broke. This year's disasters -- with the year less than half-over -- has taken it all. And nobody, but nobody, has helped.

Funny our Red Cross is doing pretty well in comparison.... how does the crappy funding from the Bush administration somehow get other countries blamed?

You find it suprising that many countries won't help you guys after you guys made yourselfs look like the worst things to happen to the world in a long time? Blame Bush for that..... these countries if you looked into their hatred, it's geared 90% on Bush then you guys.... the other 10% is for you guys actually allowing him to stay in power and not stopping his tyrany.

I'm pretty sure that as soon as Bush is out of the picture and you guys revert back to the proud country you once were, you would see most of this return back to normal.

Much as how you guys are protesting the regiem in Cuba by not helping them, trading with them, etc..... they are doing the same thing to you..... oh but it's towards the US, so it's not fair..... get real.

Once again, blaitenly wrong in his information.... but I guess you believe anything anybody says that puts the US on a high pedistal of perfection.... perhaps this would explain why you guys sucked up Bush's BS about invading Iraq to begin with..... he touted a bunch of US Patriotism and how pround you guys are (And you should be) just to suck up what he wanted you to suck up..... much like how you sucked up everything this guy said:

source:

Online Speech Bank: Gordon Sinclair - "The Americans"

So once again.... please explain to me why I wasted my time with this speech and how this speech has anything to do with the topic at hand? I would like to know.

[Yarn]

The US military vastly outnumbers the Canadian one.

US has:
1,426,713 Regular personel
858,500 Reserve personel

Canada has:
62,300 Regular personel
23,900 Reserve personel
List of countries by number of active troops - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The US has 1,029,264 land army personel*, and about 800,000 of them are currently stationed in the United States. Canada has about 40,000 land army personel (U.S. quietly, dramatically increasing Iraq troop levels)
United States Army - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Canadian Military

*-Counting Reserves
Canada has 527 aircraft in its airforce whereas the US has 6173.
Canadian Forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
United States Air Force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

277 ships in active service and more than 4,000 operational aircraft.
Six super carriers...
United States Navy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Canada has 34 ships, mostly light, a few moderates
Canadian Forces - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[LadiesMan217]

Praxius I am glad you read the speech but it seems you read everything except the date maybe that is why you did not get the relevance of it and before you throw it back in my face that it is of no importance to what is going on now I could say the same thing about your WWII bull so don't bother. Now that we have been sufficiently sidetracked I think we should get back to the OP.

[christibe]

Yeah, the rest of the world was also pretty sad when Kennedy was assassinated. All in all, the generation preceding this gentleman's speech was a pretty shining time for the U.S. But, he was angry for the world boycotting us because of Vietnam, yeah? One bad move in the field of so many positive marks? Thanks Canada for usually defending us, in spite of common sense sometimes. Especially now...


It's why you guys'd never invade.... c'mon now. Right? Please? :eek:

[Praxius]

Well Personally, I don't see any use for invading your country. I don't see any benifits even if handed over.... seems like more of a hassel to set everything up, get what you guys want for each of your states, figure out how to fix the schools and get more funding into them, etc.... I mean if I Had to do it, I would.... but I'm comfy in my life right now, no need to go stir crap up.

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Now besides the technicalities of it all, which I already knew before hand, let alone already knowing that in a mostly US forum, all this kind of info was gonna be thrown in...... How about the other side of the thread, which was more of what I was gearing at:

The Funny part of it all:

Now in your personal opinions, if the US won over Canada, or if we merged into your country for some odd reason (Invasion was just an example to get the ball rolling) what would you personally change about Canada..... and vice versa..... what do you think would happen if Canada won the US or the US merged into Canada?

Now make it as offensive or sterio-typical as you want.... this is for laughs now.... I'm not reading anything beyond this point and considdering it serious.... thus, any of my responses I shall attempt to make them in comical responses, etc.

Cripes people, lighten up.

[christibe]

Eh, probably would make you guys stop pushing jumbo-size hockey pucks around with brooms.....



But, what about the Crown?

[Century 25]

This is bullshit pushed by anti-government wackos.

Bush visits the Old West in a shootout at the OK Corall

[Technosoul]

Quote by: Century 25 Praxius.. I think you have a right to be concerned. I think that with the insatiable thirst China has for oil, and the Haliburton/Bush/Cheney syndicate licking greedily at their lips.. anything is possible. I did read where Bush stated that the land above ?? latitude was "open" for.. exploitation.. I wouldn't speculate on an actual "war" with Bush Inc. - however.. the real danger to Canada's forces would be the "armed-to-the-teeth" populace here. These people here are nutty.. shooting at someone means little.

Interesting point, if the Bush type people were still around we could see a war over the underground resources near the north pole. Russia and Greenland are also making claims for the oil (has any been discovered?).



The USA could enter as "peace keepers" to prevent Russia or China or even Greenland from moving in on those resources (we already have working deals with Canada for oil) but in the process of peace keeping a company like Hulliburton could "manage the oil" as they now do in Irag.

But don't worry Canada we will offer you a "reconstruction fund".

Code name "Quin" ( as in Quin the Eskomo ). If I revealed a real top secret code name it was only due to a lucky guess on my part.... honest.

[mikie77]

First of all who ever posted this question must be like 10 years old or have no knowledge of what is going on in the world. Let me get right to the point. Canada is the perfect place to live. The reason we have free health care and low crime and no country would ever dare to invade us and its not because we have a strong military, its because we boarder the strongest military country in the entire world.

The whole question makes no sence. It a hypothetical question because it could never happen. Maybe back in 1922 we might have been able to surprise attack them but they would have wiped us out in less than a week and we would be another state.

however today the united state can read the license plate off a car from space. lol They know everything about us. They know what were up too at all times. There could never be a surprise attack. There military is strong they would know about it ahead of time.

Here is what would happen.

Lets say we (canada) decided to go ahead and try to invade the united states or committ suicide what ever you want to call it. The united states would know about it before we even started and by the time our commanders got they order to go for it the united states would have already taken out every military station that we have so our own military could not even comunicate with each other.

Then thats only the beggining. Not one canadian soldier would make it across because soon as the word got out every united states police officer and special forces team would be on that boarder within 4 hours.

Then the president would send the usa airforce over here and turn canada into a parking lot.

Dude that why I live in canada. You think for one second that if the united states was not right behind us that russia would hessitate to come and steal our oil feilds. Get a brian dude we would not even get a tippy toe into the usa. Funny question though.

[Thanatos]

The American people are sufficiently numerous and well-armed that the Canadians couldn't occupy us. If they caught America by surprise with some nerve gas to cut the population down to a manageable level first it would work...but we have nuclear weapons out the wazoo left over from the Cold War and we're crazy enough to use them.

After about 24 hours North America would be a completely uninhabitable and scorched wasteland. Left unattended by the initial gas attacks, America's nuclear power plants eventually malfunction and begin spewing more radioactive debris into the atmosphere and add to the clouds of fallout drifting about.

Meanwhile, U.S. and Canadian forces lucky enough to be stationed outside the continent weather the nuclear winter. The imperialistic policies of the U.S. have given us the advantage by scattering our forces around the globe, meaning that a few battalions will almost certainly survive the initial attacks and be able to declare victory.

[Suburbanite]

Quote by: Praxius Oh I dunno.... invade the living b-jesus out of the US right now.... like as you read this.... how long do you think this war would last? Who do you think would win?

A war between humans a moose? It would last seconds, we'd send our best sniper to kill your great moose leader.

[Suburbanite]

Though, if Canada attacked us during Bush's presidency we'd go to war with Mexico.

[J. Askiloupos]

Canadian military composition suggests: an SAS-esque campaign of infantry-based resource denial and morale-breaking attacks, followed up by a crushing drive by the more-than-decent Canadian armor. The Canadian Air Force would likely be employed as a surgical tool, bombing supply lines and organizational centers into nonexistence.

US military compostion suggests: Airborne harassment from their plethora of domestic bases while organizing a mass front of mobile infantry, backed by staggered waves of armor. The vaunted store of nuclear warheads would have to go unused, as the US itself would be affected by fallout and nuclear winter.

The Canadians would immediately be joined by Alaska and Northern Michigan, which are practically Canadian provinces in the first place. Once this subversion of the best US trackers and marksmen (nothing against the Plains shooters) had occured, a systematic campaign of surgical strikes against governmental and military targets of priority would begin, culminating in a final strike on DC- which is as far as the Canadian military would, in all probability, reach. At this point, the US population at large would be outraged by the assault on their nation's center of government, and the invaders would suddenly have to deal with a guerilla war that made Vietnam look like a children's outing. New York, Detroit, and many of the other urban centers would break out in unprecedented terrorism and rioting, and the occupying Canadian forces would have to tuck their hat flaps down and run back to the hills of Canada.