Dad jailed 8 years for 'horrific' sex assault:

[Praxius]

If 2, then they didn't know any better. This is strange, since he was in his twenties and apparently functioned that long in society. If he hadn't learned by then, especially with his own daughter, he's not going to learn it any time soon. So he still doesn't belong in any society.

Actually to refine that..... he had to realise he was having sex with his girlfriend/wife or whatever... he must of new of the age gap between the daughter and the mother...... this is beyond help.

[Rooster]

a planned economy? isnt that what we have now w/the current welfare system? I am not willing to "donate" my tax money for the care of people who perpetually commit crimes that result in the death of those who are working to contribute to the current "welfare system"

[Praxius]

Yeah that doesn't make much sense does it.....

You are paying for the care and housing of someone who killed another person who was paying for his housing and care..... you release him, and he kills another one who pays taxes and takes care of his room and board..... nice cycle..... easy life..... gets to murder to release stress.... must be nice

[Chaossaber314]

Studying them imo.... is just going to make one more "Mental Illness" for all of us to accept and one more excuse for them to do what they do..... one more responsibility taken off their shoulders and put on some faceless scientific excuse.

Which is why I said extreme cases and not all cases. If someone wants to kill a whole bunch of people in order to be labeled as an extreme case clearly his mental state and actions warrant him being considered such anyway.

Regardless if we find some reason for them doing what they do or not.... we'll identify it, and they will continue to do it..... if you can't live in a society where people don't kill each other on a daily basis, then why try and pamper them to fit in our society?

I already said I didn't believe in reintegration so we can drop that talk.

They know what they are doing is wrong, I know what is wrong, you know what is wrong, everybody knows what we deem as wrong or not..... you're taught this as a child..... they were taught this as a child..... the only mentality that you have to concern yourself with someone who murders and rapes, is that they think they can get away with it with some excuse that made them do it.... plain and simple..... you don't need to study them, you don't need to test them.... that's all there is to it..... eventually they just say fok it and they do it..... then they panic and try and think of a way to get out of what they did.

Yes and yet, if it was really that simple we'd be able to prevent incidents like this by realizing the warning signs and having the father evaluated by DFS or equivalent.

[Praxius]

Yes, but you never know who's going to do what until it's too late... almost all the time, this is the case.... most all have jobs, friends, family, seem to be normal people, but you never see what's behind the doors..... It's pretty rare there are things you can see that point to them being a danger..... hell even the school shootings, there's been plenty of talk and records online of their thinking, their reasoning, and yet there was no proof showing they were actually going to go through with anything..... therefore there was no right or position by authorities to arrest someone for commiting a crime they have yet to commit.

And any studying of other killers won't help to detect them, not just because of reasons above of normality..... but most likely you'd have to arrest them and submit them to equal tests to detect a match, unless you plan on doing that to everybody in the country.... that's not going to work.


Studying them seems impractical to me and a waste of time. If they are going to kill someone or rape someone.... then they are no use to society, therefore get rid of them. If you study them, you're just going to prolong that criminals life, make them feel that their important, because they haven't been executed like the rest, and even if you can find more information out of them, you will still find it difficult by law to arrest someone until they commit the crime..... so chances of it actually preventing crimes won't be that much imo.

[smallpox]

I don't see the reason for it to be.... how much for one assault rifle assigned for the executions? How much for four rounds of amunition per criminal? 10-15 bucks an hour for the gaurds..... haul the bastard out to the side of the prison wall.... three round in the chest, one in the head..... wow..... economic if you ask me, compared to giving them room and board every year of their lives.

Your lack of knowledge on this is too apparent. If the state is going to kill someone, they better make damn sure they got the right person. That means 8-10 years of lengthy, expensive appeals and a stay in prison for that long under more security. People on death row need the tightest security while people on life sentences tend to be model prisoners. DA, more security guards, courts, judges, legal aid, analysts, and so on.
Their execution method is probably the last and smallest expense.

[Praxius]

It's not lack of knowlege, it's the removal of the useless.... I clarified earlier I was speaking directly towards executing those who either admit to the murder without remorse, those who have way too much evidence behind the crime, etc.

Those who are stuck in a questionable situation, or similar of course require review.....

For example... this twit who admitted he did the crime but tried to pin it on some other excuse..... it's proven he did it.... and he's an idiot based on his excuses..... therefore, to the Cliff of Justice he goes.

I'm referring directly to the ones easily proven, the ones we shouldn't be keeping in some cell for years and feeding the bastard off of our tax dollars, and them smiling all the way......

Ok how about this then?

Execute second time offenders...... being involed in two murders would be a bit questionable.

[Praxius]

Quote by: smallpox If the state is going to kill someone, they better make damn sure they got the right person.

That's what a Trial is for.... If they got it wrong, then I guess that kinda proves that the system doesn't work, therefore requiring more change.

And yes, there have been plenty of cases in the past that this happened to.... which is why if capital punishment becmoes a norm, then other things must change as well..... but right now, the topic in question I guess would be about capital punishment's fundimentals first, before we get into other laws.

[Rooster]

I still like the idea of feeding them to the big cats at the zoo but the cliff of Justice will work just fine.

SmallPox :If the state is going to kill someone, they better make damn sure they got the right person

When they find the victims blood in his car, on the knife in the trunk and on his garage floor. Fibers from the quilt on his bed on the victims body...it become pretty obvious to everyone who the guilty party is.

No amount of studying will ever be able to pre-determine which criminal will and will not commit more crimes or increase the serverity of his crimes. People like this are just a waste upon society assets

[Maybe-not]

Quote by: Rooster a planned economy? isnt that what we have now w/the current welfare system? I am not willing to "donate" my tax money for the care of people who perpetually commit crimes that result in the death of those who are working to contribute to the current "welfare system"

A planned economy, is when everything is owned collectively.

Quote by: Praxius It's not lack of knowlege, it's the removal of the useless.... I clarified earlier I was speaking directly towards executing those who either admit to the murder without remorse, those who have way too much evidence behind the crime, etc.

Removal of the useless... This sounds like Genocide to me. You wanna kill the handicapped and unemployed to?

Quote by: Rooster When they find the victims blood in his car, on the knife in the trunk and on his garage floor. Fibers from the quilt on his bed on the victims body...it become pretty obvious to everyone who the guilty party is. No amount of studying will ever be able to pre-determine which criminal will and will not commit more crimes or increase the serverity of his crimes. People like this are just a waste upon society assets

So are the Handicapped. The retarded, and a HELL lotta' people. Heck, priests. They are pretty fucking useless. They just read from a fucking work of fiction from the medieval ages.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Maybe-not Removal of the useless... This sounds like Genocide to me. You wanna kill the handicapped and unemployed to?

Don't put words in my mouth, it makes you look silly.

I am regarding muderers and rapists..... unless those you spoke of decided to go around killing and raping, then I don't see a relation to what I was saying.

[Rooster]

Maybenot :So are the Handicapped. The retarded, and a HELL lotta' people. Heck, priests. They are pretty fucking useless. They just read from a fucking work of fiction from the medieval ages

When did the handicap and retarded come into play here? People with disabilities were never brought up by anyone...except you! When I mention "people like these are waste upon society, I clearly mentioned what type of people I was referring to.

[Maybe-not]

Quote by: Praxius Don't put words in my mouth, it makes you look silly. I am regarding murderers and rapists..... unless those you spoke of decided to go around killing and raping, then I don't see a relation to what I was saying.

You mentioned "removal of the useless". What "use" are the chronically handicapped to wider society?

Quote by: Rooster When did the handicap and retarded come into play here? People with disabilities were never brought up by anyone...except you! When I mention "people like these are waste upon society, I clearly mentioned what type of people I was referring to.

Se above.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Maybe-not You mentioned "removal of the useless". What "use" are the chronically handicapped to wider society?

Well if you considder them useless then that's your own bag, not mine. So long at they can think and have imagination, or some sense of input into society then they or anybody is useful... Stephen Hawking is a perfect example.

I say useless towards those who kill inocent people, who deminish the free minds and thinkers, those who contribute to society, whether they pick their nose for chairity, or they find a cure for a virus..... every mind has that opportunity..... but those who are proven to be a continual danger to society without regard, should have no place in taking any benifits from that society, plain and simple.

I don't generalize my opinions.... they are very specific most times..... so when I say someone is useless and I refer it to someone in the topic in question, then try not to jump into other acusations that are not there, please.

Se above.

I have read that, but I never said that.... actually I didn't even read that until now, so I must have missed it, or forgot.... but my comment towards the useless was in regards to my comments previous, alone..... not the handicap, or disabled...... that is not my opinion, nor do I agree with it..... my apologies if I confused you on that. I have handicap in my family, and I have respect for them, just as I would anybody else on this planet.

I meet people in life at a 50% mark.... depending on the first 10 seconds of conversation, do I determine if I have more respect or less for them..... I do not judge on apperance or disability, nor would I want someone to do that to me.