Racist Remarks in Die Hard 4.0?? (Spoiler Warning)

[gallo]

1. The movie isn't all that good. As I said to my wife as we left the theater, "I doubt that there will be any Academy Award nominations.

2. If you are familiar with the "Die Hard" series, then you know what to expect. You have to do a whole lot of suspension of disbelief. Like any of it is even possible - and they walk away.

3. It's always fun to see a bunch of things blow up.

4. Maggie Q looks Asian and the part she played was that of a bitch. Nevertheless, the remark about the Asian bitch could have been left out without any change in the effect of the movie. She could have been called a "skinny bitch". Just as true. Just as effective. Maybe a more positive image for young women.

5. While she is a skinny bitch, she was still fairly hot in the movie.

6. Anyone who said "your an idiot" in this discussion is an idiot. It should be "you're an idiot." 'Your' is a possessive - as in "your car", "your book", "your double-wide."

[thx1138]

6. Anyone who said "your an idiot" in this discussion is an idiot. It should be "you're an idiot." 'Your' is a possessive - as in "your car", "your book", "your double-wide."

Thanks for correcting me on that one.

[tinybear]

Well, Maggie didn't always look this skinny. Maybe it's the vegetarian diet.

[banko]

I am starting to think that tiny has a bit of an obsession.

[Praxius]

Pssh.... compaining about a few racist remarks in a movie? I guess people have been stuck under a rock.

Anybody remember Payback with Mel Gibson? Lots of racist remarks in the movie.... much worse then what I am hearing here, but it didn't detract from the movie's action and entertainment, nor did it influence me to start being racist.... come on.

This is about as trivial and those who want to ban smoking in movies..... because it's a bad influence. Guess what? Not everything in movies are suppose to be good influences.... if they were, then chances are the Hannibal series wouldn't exist, 8mm wouldn't have come out, because people would start running around killing and eating one another or making snuff videos..... seriously, most people arn't that stupid.

Someone being bad, racist, or whatever is a part of a movie, a book or a story..... they potray real life to an extent, and perhaps before people start complaining and controlling the media we all watch, perhaps they should concentrate on the real life first, which the media potrays.

I'll probably watch the movie someday.... but the only time I would have to refuse to watch a movie based on racism, would be if that was the central basis of the storyline. It's not in this movie, the so-called racism remarks in the movie are indeed to portray the character in the movie.

If you have to remove the bad talking, the smoking, the drinking, the violence from a character in a movie to please all those easily offended, then what kind of movie are you going to have left? Something unrealistic and pretty cheesy if you ask me.

If you don't like it, don't watch it... but if the overall movie was entertaining, but these small spots of racism in the movie ruined the whole thing, man..... some people's kids I tell ya.

[Praxius]

Oh yeah... and if racism was a bad thing in movies, I guess American History-X wouldn't have gotten all the acclaim it did when it came out, which revolved completely around racism......

and Schindler's List. Frig, both those movies had plenty of racism in them.... yet they were so popular and got so many awards, etc..... and then you got one movie like Die Hard, where a few sly comments slipped in regarding to racism and everyone wants to boycott the movie.....

pssh.

[Crimsonking]

Yay Praxius, thank you for making sense.

Racism is a common fact, albeit a sad one. We all need to come to accept that it will be around for a while, and work with it to make it better.

[James]

That wasn't racism in that movie. I saw it, and I didn't think twice about it. To me, it just showed that Willis didn't like the woman who had tried to kill him, and was the girlfriend of another person also trying to kill him. Come on, people. Would we have ever heard anything about it if she had been a white woman (which I thought she was most of the time)?

[Praxius]

Yeah you don't hear too many people complaining about blacks and other people in movies calling white people crackers, honkies, and all that other foolish racial stuff that most of us just laugh it.....

People need to get a grip.

[tinybear]

Yeah, but just try using derogatory remarks on gays and the censors will wield the sledgehammer on the movie.

[Crimsonking]

Quote by: Praxius Yeah you don't hear too many people complaining about blacks and other people in movies calling white people crackers, honkies, and all that other foolish racial stuff that most of us just laugh it..... People need to get a grip.

agreed, the double standard is just sickening, as it is in many facets of "prejudice" nowadays. Yesterday, I was at a friends, and his sister went up to the mother and said "Woman, make me a sandwitch" and the mother laughed and made it, A week earlier the same friend had said it in the same faceious tone (while I was over there strangely enough) and recieved a lecture of about an hour and a half

[LadiesMan217]

The remarks were not even offensive, he only said them to piss off the bad guy in the movie which is just typical wise-ass remarks from John McClane which is why we all love him. Yippee Ki Yay Mother F**ker!!!

[Apeman81]

Quote by: tinybear Folks, I haven't seen this movie yet which just opened a few days ago worldwide, but for those who have seen it, is it true about the racist remarks? Live Free Or Die Hard #1 - Racist Moviemaking « Slant Eye For The Round Eye

The attempt to cast this movie in a racist light, based upon this single line of dialogue, is a far reach indeed.

[tinybear]

Quote by: ladiesman217 The remarks were not even offensive, he only said them to piss off the bad guy in the movie which is just typical wise-ass remarks from John McClane which is why we all love him. Yippee Ki Yay Mother F**ker!!!

I agree. People are probably too sensitive about race these days. But I'd like to bring out another related issue, if I may. Let's suppose it was Halle Berry playing Maggie's role and Bruce had referred to her as a 'black whore'. Would you view that remark in the same light?

[thx1138]

just typical wise-ass remarks from John McClane which is why we all love him

Not all of us love him.

[tinybear]

Old action heroes should retire gracefully and allow the next generation to take over. Harrison Ford, Sylvester Stallone, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Bruce Willis, Jackie Chan; it's time to make a graceful exit, guys. :)

[LadiesMan217]

Not all of us love him.

Whatever, I don't know how anyone can't get a kick out his snide, smart-ass remarks and the heartpounding action in all the Die Hards(except for 3, that one sucked hard), well unless you're a woman, than I can understand your disinterest in the films, but every red-blooded American male should love these movies.

Old action heroes should retire gracefully and allow the next generation to take over. Harrison Ford, Sylvester Stallone, Arnold Schwarzenegger, Bruce Willis, Jackie Chan; it's time to make a graceful exit, guys.

I don't know, after seeing Live Free or Die Hard I think Bruce has still got it but probably not for very much longer and once I see Rush Hour 3 I will tell you if Jackie still has it too.

[Dan_77]

Quote by: Technosoul After looking at the link you provided I must think they went over the line this time. Perhaps the intent was to show Willis as a "tuff guy" because he used those words and had that attitude, it is still not something to be promoted for viewing because he has a "fan base" that admires him as a role model.

Bruce Willis hasn't appeared live in a movie appropriate for children in over 7 years (Disney's The Kid, 2000). Exactly who is he a "role model" for?

I am removing that movie from my future "watch list".

Rather petty to remove a movie from your watch list because of a couple of words.

Quote by: Technosoul Willis is not a black rapper and so they should not have him use the term 'Asian Bitch' in the movie.

I see. So black rappers get a pass when it comes to being racist? Why?

And to tell people to "calm down and allow rasism" seems to be a lame idea in my book. Do you also have funny drawings of Jews with long noses on the wall to laugh at?

No, but if you can tell me where I can get some, I'd love to have them.

FUNNY has nothing to do with offensive or not offensive. If something is funny, it is.. Humor offends people. Too bad. If something racist is funny I will laugh at it.

Quote by: banko If we are to pick apart all the racial crap in hollyweird we would be here all day. In the end if this type of thing bothers you then don't see the movie.

Exactly.

Quote by: Ken Carman Good point, but I do wish Hollywood would think a little more and at least offer a token positive role model no matter what the stereotype they throw around. Would I regulate it? Hell, no. Just think it wise.

Why does Hollywood need to offer positive role models? Why can't they make a movie about disgusting or dishonorable people? It's an art. The content of the art should be what the artist desires, not what some social engineer thinks is "wise".

Quote by: Praxius I'll probably watch the movie someday.... but the only time I would have to refuse to watch a movie based on racism, would be if that was the central basis of the storyline.

I would watch any movie if it was good, regardless of the storyline. There have been very good movies made about racism and plenty of good media where the main character was an unabashed racist. WHO CARES. It's just words and thoughts. When we start trying to make words and thoughts unacceptable we are in big trouble.

Quote by: tinybear I agree. People are probably too sensitive about race these days. But I'd like to bring out another related issue, if I may. Let's suppose it was Halle Berry playing Maggie's role and Bruce had referred to her as a 'black whore'. Would you view that remark in the same light?

Yes. In fact, if he called her a "dirty watermelon-eating n*gger" I would still see that movie. (censoring myself so the mods don't)

I find jokes about racism and racist jokes funny. I find jokes about rape funny. I find jokes about serial killing to be funny. I think Dateline NBC's "To Catch A Predator" is one of the most unintentionally funny shows ever on television, and it is about exposing real-life would-be child molesters. I find politically incorrect things to be funny. WHO CARES?

There is no Constitutional right to not be offended.

[LadiesMan217]

Very good post tivodan and I also think it is funny that of all the movies out with questionable remarks and racism that "asian whore" is what seems to be ruffling everyone's feathers. Calling someone an asian is not racist but when you put whore on it is?

[Chris the Chees]

Quote by: thx1138 What can you expect from a garbage movie like Die Hard 4? Hollywood pumps out a lot of crap like Die Hard 4 and Rocky, but there are some really good movies out most do not come from Hollywood.

Yet your username is of a film co-produced and distributed by a major Hollywood production company.