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castille · Oct 17, 2003, 12:47 pm

When I was a kid, I always travelled without a ticket (always forgot to buy one from the damn machines). I was poor too. Parents on welfare.
When the "evil" ticket inspectors caught me, I always apologised. They let me go with a warning.

One of my friends was caught without a ticket. He swore at the cop, threatened to sue him, and so forth. He got a ticket and a threat to be jailed.

When I got a car, I sped (while still a Prob!). The cop caught me, I apologised and gave him my license, admitted I was speeding. He let me go without any ticket.

Everyone I know is hostile to the inspectors. As a result, they get fined.

One of my friends recently got involved in a court case against Officeworks (a very large company). He was a poor business owner in debt. In one month, he went to 14 networking events, met over 40 lawyers, helped them out with small favours, and one of them offered to defend him, in exchange for a IOU! A top-notch lawyer, who won the case for him, without charging him money!

Any other person in his case would have complained about the unfair legal system. But not him! He actively went out, attended those events (spent his last cent paying for the tux hire!), and actively tried to seek help.

Does the law only protect the rich? No, it only protects common sense! :D

GreatWyrm of Babylon · Oct 29, 2003, 10:54 pm

I can see why this one gets no replies here. lol Not getting in trouble is more a case of convincing the civil servant you respect them and regret the action, than having money. Police are police because they either want power, or because they want to fix the world. Letting them think you respect them works great on both types, trying to start a fight does not, period.

castille · Oct 31, 2003, 08:13 am

[quote=GreatWyrm of Babylon,]I can see why this one gets no replies here.[quote]

True - seems like the silence is simply an admittance by the far left that they can't argue against fact!

**Sean** · Nov 1, 2003, 12:08 pm

Wait let me get this straight, because one man went out and found a high-profile lawyer to work pro-bono after basically getting on his knees, we're all safe from injustice if we put in some hard work? I think if everyone went out and did that, it wouldn't work anymore; that well would dry up very fast.

I'm not as left as some of the people here, but I'm aware of the huge population of prisoners we have (some without trials). We have the largest prison population in the world (2,000,000 last time I checked). I think it's safe to say there is some injustice in this country concerning law.

I get my cynical view of this matter from personal experience. I work part-time for a company that pays old cops to guard the stores. If I ever get pulled over I just have to say the store name and I'm off the hook.

The Devil · Nov 1, 2003, 02:29 pm

One of my best friends is becoming a cop right now. I wonder if I'll be able to pull strings in the near future...

castille · Nov 1, 2003, 09:14 pm

Do you live in Asia?

If so then having cops for friends/relatives will get you into a better position.

My uncle is a cop over in Asia, and he is allowed to walk into petrol stores and demand goods without payment. Somebody doing that in the US/Europe would be arrested immediately.

RebelWithanAK · Nov 2, 2003, 12:21 am

Ooh, you so funny, castille. Yes, I know people from Asia, too; and what's more, I absolutely love to make personal anecdotes and then appeal them to an entire continent.

GreatWyrm of Babylon · Nov 3, 2003, 01:38 am

Sean
Now let me get this straight, testimonial is the favorite debate tactic of the left, but it is shot down when not used by the left? Hmmm

I could see it if he used personal experience, since lefties hate that tactic as badly as the right hates testimonials...

**Sean** · Nov 3, 2003, 02:34 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (GreatWyrm of Babylon,)
Sean
Now let me get this straight, testimonial is the favorite debate tactic of the left, but it is shot down when not used by the left? Hmmm

I could see it if he used personal experience, since lefties hate that tactic as badly as the right hates testimonials...<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Since when do my opinions represent the entire "left"? As I've said, I'm not as left as some people here.

GreatWyrm of Babylon · Nov 3, 2003, 03:46 am

:)
Just curious how you would handle a pot shot, better than most. lol

castille · Nov 3, 2003, 10:07 am

Well, I do have personal experience to back up what I'm saying....

We call it inviting somebody to dinner at restaurant and giving them a nicer present than usual.

Unfortunately when I go to a western country they call it bribery.

RebelWithanAK · Nov 3, 2003, 12:10 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,)
Well, I do have personal experience to back up what I'm saying....

We call it inviting somebody to dinner at restaurant and giving them a nicer present than usual.

Unfortunately when I go to a western country they call it bribery.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>So how does that prove your point? It's still another personal anecdote, and you've still yet to name a region smaller than the most populous continent in the world.
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (GreatWyrm of Babylon,)
Just curious how you would handle a pot shot, better than most. lol<hr size="1" /></blockquote>He skirts the question. "Better than most." Ha.

castille · Nov 7, 2003, 07:55 am

Its a well-known fact that Asia is home to high levels of corruption. Check any report on the 1997 crisis, the Chinese government, or any academic article.

By the way....are you suggesting corruption in Asia is low compared to Europe or North/South America?

fencer · Jun 7, 2007, 07:52 pm

The law doesn't protect the rich. In the US it is quite against the middle classes, for the rich and for the poor. Everything gets taken away from the middle class and usually distributed to the poor. The rich find better ways to spend their time.

DEEJ85 · Jun 7, 2007, 08:51 pm

Quote:

Quote by: castille

Well, I do have personal experience to back up what I'm saying....

We call it inviting somebody to dinner at restaurant and giving them a nicer present than usual.

Unfortunately when I go to a western country they call it bribery.

Is this a cultural thing?

I am not Asian, but I have noticed when my family goes out to a dinner with my dad's business partner's family (who is Asian), They would always take us out somewhere fancy, or serve fancy food at their house in a well decorated dining area.

he would also present us with gifts occasionally that were better then normal gifts would be.

This is different from say western culture where this is not practiced. So it is not too far off for a westerner to misconstrue the intent.

tinybear · Jun 11, 2007, 05:47 am

The doors to justice are open for everyone; just like the doors to the Ritz. :)

Capitalist Pig · Jun 13, 2007, 09:54 pm

The law favors whoever those in charge of regulating it favor.

tinybear · Jun 14, 2007, 12:17 am

Quote:

Quote by: Capitalist Pig

The law favors whoever those in charge of regulating it favor.

So in other words, the law favors the rich and powerful.

But we knew this all along, didn't we?

Capitalist Pig · Jun 14, 2007, 12:10 pm

Quote:

Quote by: tinybear

So in other words, the law favors the rich and powerful.

But we knew this all along, didn't we?

Yep.

Oct 17, 2003, 12:47 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	When I was a kid, I always travelled without a ticket (always forgot to buy one from the damn machines). I was poor too. Parents on welfare. When the "evil" ticket inspectors caught me, I always apologised. They let me go with a warning. One of my friends was caught without a ticket. He swore at the cop, threatened to sue him, and so forth. He got a ticket and a threat to be jailed. When I got a car, I sped (while still a Prob!). The cop caught me, I apologised and gave him my license, admitted I was speeding. He let me go without any ticket. Everyone I know is hostile to the inspectors. As a result, they get fined. One of my friends recently got involved in a court case against Officeworks (a very large company). He was a poor business owner in debt. In one month, he went to 14 networking events, met over 40 lawyers, helped them out with small favours, and one of them offered to defend him, in exchange for a IOU! A top-notch lawyer, who won the case for him, without charging him money! Any other person in his case would have complained about the unfair legal system. But not him! He actively went out, attended those events (spent his last cent paying for the tux hire!), and actively tried to seek help. Does the law only protect the rich? No, it only protects common sense! :D Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Oct 29, 2003, 10:54 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
GreatWyrm of Babylon Avatar of Tiamut Location: Dallas, Texas (Irving) Posts: 848	I can see why this one gets no replies here. lol Not getting in trouble is more a case of convincing the civil servant you respect them and regret the action, than having money. Police are police because they either want power, or because they want to fix the world. Letting them think you respect them works great on both types, trying to start a fight does not, period. Logical Fallicies Link

Oct 31, 2003, 08:13 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	[quote=GreatWyrm of Babylon,]I can see why this one gets no replies here.[quote] True - seems like the silence is simply an admittance by the far left that they can't argue against fact! Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Nov 1, 2003, 12:08 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Sean former overlord Location: New York Posts: 2,383	Wait let me get this straight, because one man went out and found a high-profile lawyer to work pro-bono after basically getting on his knees, we're all safe from injustice if we put in some hard work? I think if everyone went out and did that, it wouldn't work anymore; that well would dry up very fast. I'm not as left as some of the people here, but I'm aware of the huge population of prisoners we have (some without trials). We have the largest prison population in the world (2,000,000 last time I checked). I think it's safe to say there is some injustice in this country concerning law. I get my cynical view of this matter from personal experience. I work part-time for a company that pays old cops to guard the stores. If I ever get pulled over I just have to say the store name and I'm off the hook. So it goes

Nov 1, 2003, 09:14 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Do you live in Asia? If so then having cops for friends/relatives will get you into a better position. My uncle is a cop over in Asia, and he is allowed to walk into petrol stores and demand goods without payment. Somebody doing that in the US/Europe would be arrested immediately. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Nov 1, 2003, 02:29 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
The Devil Molten Ash Location: Canada Posts: 55	One of my best friends is becoming a cop right now. I wonder if I'll be able to pull strings in the near future...

Nov 2, 2003, 12:21 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	Ooh, you so funny, castille. Yes, I know people from Asia, too; and what's more, I absolutely love to make personal anecdotes and then appeal them to an entire continent. . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Nov 3, 2003, 01:38 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
GreatWyrm of Babylon Avatar of Tiamut Location: Dallas, Texas (Irving) Posts: 848	Sean Now let me get this straight, testimonial is the favorite debate tactic of the left, but it is shot down when not used by the left? Hmmm I could see it if he used personal experience, since lefties hate that tactic as badly as the right hates testimonials...

Nov 3, 2003, 02:34 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
Sean former overlord Location: New York Posts: 2,383	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (GreatWyrm of Babylon,) Sean Now let me get this straight, testimonial is the favorite debate tactic of the left, but it is shot down when not used by the left? Hmmm I could see it if he used personal experience, since lefties hate that tactic as badly as the right hates testimonials...<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Since when do my opinions represent the entire "left"? As I've said, I'm not as left as some people here. So it goes

Nov 3, 2003, 03:46 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
GreatWyrm of Babylon Avatar of Tiamut Location: Dallas, Texas (Irving) Posts: 848	:) Just curious how you would handle a pot shot, better than most. lol

Nov 3, 2003, 10:07 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Well, I do have personal experience to back up what I'm saying.... We call it inviting somebody to dinner at restaurant and giving them a nicer present than usual. Unfortunately when I go to a western country they call it bribery. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Nov 3, 2003, 12:10 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,) Well, I do have personal experience to back up what I'm saying.... We call it inviting somebody to dinner at restaurant and giving them a nicer present than usual. Unfortunately when I go to a western country they call it bribery.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>So how does that prove your point? It's still another personal anecdote, and you've still yet to name a region smaller than the most populous continent in the world. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (GreatWyrm of Babylon,) Just curious how you would handle a pot shot, better than most. lol<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>He skirts the question. "Better than most." Ha. . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Nov 7, 2003, 07:55 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Its a well-known fact that Asia is home to high levels of corruption. Check any report on the 1997 crisis, the Chinese government, or any academic article. By the way....are you suggesting corruption in Asia is low compared to Europe or North/South America? Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Jun 7, 2007, 07:52 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
fencer Sedimentary Rock Posts: 10	The law doesn't protect the rich. In the US it is quite against the middle classes, for the rich and for the poor. Everything gets taken away from the middle class and usually distributed to the poor. The rich find better ways to spend their time.

Jun 11, 2007, 05:47 am	#16 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 6,992	The doors to justice are open for everyone; just like the doors to the Ritz. :)

Jun 13, 2007, 09:54 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
Capitalist Pig Market Anarchist Location: United States Posts: 650	The law favors whoever those in charge of regulating it favor. Tu ne cede malis, sed contra audentior ito, qua tua te Fortuna sinet.