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The Decider · May 30, 2007, 08:47 pm

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It was also reported, and in fact had been reported before, that the commemorative plaque at Auschwitz, remembering those who died there, had revised the old figure of 4 million-which had been on the plaque for decades-and now stated the new "official" figure of 1.1-1.5 million.

The Russians placed the plaque initially, and the Polish Communist government--not know for its pro-Jewish sympathies--replaced it. Few scholars of the Holocaust used the 4 million figure. They didn't need to. Auschwitz was one of MANY death and labor camps in eastern Europe.

The Auschwitz Gambit: The Four Million Variant

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and i remind you it wasn´t only jews that died at Auschwitz, my grand fathers brother also died there

Who ever claimed that only Jews died at Auschwitz. The claim is that MOST of the people killed there were Jews. If you want the figures, I'll provide them from Nazi German sources.

GHook93 · May 30, 2007, 08:54 pm

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Ghook.. have you ever listened to a single idea you didnt agree with.. and listened to it fully.. without automatically denouncing it to rubbish? Id doubt you have... but I think this is what the proffessor was trying to do.. he wasnt per -say denying the holocaust..he was listening to a group of people's ideas.. comparing it to his own.. and making the best rational decision he could based off the two arguments.. wonderfull concept eh?

Of course, but never when it comes to the Holocaust and especially when it comes from people that have proven time and time against they have an anti-semitic ideology (aka, PH and Jose). I will never think rationally over the Holocaust when people are questioning it or belittling it.

GHook93 · May 30, 2007, 08:58 pm

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is
Shiraz Dossa a known anti-semite? please provide links as that would of course validate your point.
turks talking about the Armenian holocaust? you can go to jail for that in Turkey, does that mean it did´nt happen?

I wasn't refering to Shiraz!

PatrickHenry · May 30, 2007, 11:40 pm

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PH, is the kind of "evidence" you find convincing; that "the Holocaust was a punishment from God?"

Heh, no. That's the ultraOrthodox religious viewpoint. Maybe something to it, maybe not.

The evidence is the parts you didn't quote, buddy...Was that simply an oversight on your part, or are you a dishonest debater?

And GHook's a racist with a thirst for blood...

Praxius · May 30, 2007, 11:52 pm

*Twiddles Thumbs*

So anyways..... since the majority here seem to understand that this is a bit of extreme outcasting and censorship..... which is quite common.... and most of these people are not like Neo Nazis or KKK.... some just think there is another possible solution to a historical delima..... (Which I have yet to see any evidence towards any contradictions or the latter)

Anywho..... what is the next solution? How does one redeem a paticular freedom of speech? What kind of case would one build?

I imagine some people here could put their brains together for this one.

PatrickHenry · May 31, 2007, 12:07 am

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Anywho..... what is the next solution? How does one redeem a paticular freedom of speech? What kind of case would one build?

You mean like being able to say unPC things about the "Final Solution" without going to jail for speaking your mind?

Praxius · May 31, 2007, 12:30 am

Yeah.... I suppose...... although I never found death was much of a solution.... that's just like wacking a hornets nest everytime.

PatrickHenry · May 31, 2007, 12:33 am

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Yeah.... I suppose...... although I never found death was much of a solution.... that's just like wacking a hornets nest everytime.

Bull. If you kill off enough of your enemies, you can win...

GHook93 · May 31, 2007, 11:20 am

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Heh, no. That's the ultraOrthodox religious viewpoint. Maybe something to it, maybe not.

The evidence is the parts you didn't quote, buddy...Was that simply an oversight on your part, or are you a dishonest debater?

And GHook's a racist with a thirst for blood...

Calling me a racist? Your the self-proclaimed anti-semite. My stance is clear, I believe in a 2 state solution. I believe both the Jews and Palestinians have valid claims to the land. I just won't be an apologist for Islamic facist like you do. I fully support Abbas and Fatah, since they really care about peace. But you can support Hamas as much as you like, because they again you support Al Qaeda by denying they carried out 9/11.

Answer this question, how many Arabs/Muslims have you grown up with? How many Arab/Muslims have you called friends? I have grown up with many and have had many friends who are Arab/Muslims. In fact one of my best friends in an American Iraqi Soldier serving in Iraq. He has pretty much served there from the beginning. He is one of the bravest individuals I know. Something I would never say about you. Even though he is a first generation American I would definitely call him more patriotic and a better American then you will ever be.

When you attack with anti-semitic, ignorant and arrogant arguments, what kind of response do you expect?

May 30, 2007, 11:52 pm	#25 (permalink) (top)
Praxius Mass'Debator Posts: 4,730	Twiddles Thumbs So anyways..... since the majority here seem to understand that this is a bit of extreme outcasting and censorship..... which is quite common.... and most of these people are not like Neo Nazis or KKK.... some just think there is another possible solution to a historical delima..... (Which I have yet to see any evidence towards any contradictions or the latter) Anywho..... what is the next solution? How does one redeem a paticular freedom of speech? What kind of case would one build? I imagine some people here could put their brains together for this one.

May 31, 2007, 12:30 am	#27 (permalink) (top)
Praxius Mass'Debator Posts: 4,730	Yeah.... I suppose...... although I never found death was much of a solution.... that's just like wacking a hornets nest everytime.