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eXploiTeD · Oct 20, 2003, 05:27 pm

Feminist theory, as a means of analyzing power structures, has quite a bit of potential. Taken as a useful tool, feminism provides men and women alike with a fantastic way to critique our many social institutions. For those (increasingly) few feminists that do not automatically assume the responsibility of the patriarchy for all of todays problems, I only applaude them. Unfortunately, the vast majority of feminists seem to have forgotten that the most important 'point' to feminism (equality for all) transcends gender, and, consequentially, have fallen prey to the same tendencies as their self-proclaimed enemy, the chauvanist.

Fallen Angel · Oct 21, 2003, 01:37 am

Actually its 'Masculinist' not meninist, feminism.. what a rotting cancer of hatred it really was all along, don't be fooled guys they want the lot, the equality bullshit was just a stepping stone.
Equality is your turn to change the nappy and your turn again to mow the lawn.

xm.bretton · Oct 21, 2003, 11:19 am

haha yeah I believe hitler and the nazi party only wanted equality in the beginning, also.

;)

xm.bretton · Oct 21, 2003, 11:20 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (fedfem,)
male feminists are still feminists. Better yet, they are just good Men.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>i dont need to be a feminist to be a good man.

I already am.

RebelWithanAK · Oct 21, 2003, 11:49 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (xm.bretton,)
haha yeah I believe hitler and the nazi party only wanted equality in the beginning, also.

;)<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

And here I was thinking you had some brain in your head. Or maybe I wasn't. Bah.

TwoShanks · Oct 21, 2003, 12:15 pm

WHY MUST EVERYONE MENTION THE NAZIS IN EVERY THREAD ABOUT EVERYTHING?

I apologise for shouting, but it's very annoying.

G. Adams · Oct 21, 2003, 03:27 pm

Because its the harshest insult that can be thrown, and because they do exist (unlike dickheads and fuckwits) its kind of legitimised. It shouldn't be, but if someone who doesn't like you and, rightly or wrongly, gets a sniff of something that is connected to the Nazis, even if you mentioned building motorways I'm sure someone would take the oppurtunity, you can bet they'll throw 'you damned nazi' at you. Even if you stand on the opposite end of the spectrum entirely it'll come your way.

xm.bretton · Oct 21, 2003, 08:21 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (RebelWithanAK,)
And here I was thinking you had some brain in your head. Or maybe I wasn't. Bah.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
the little wink... was suppose... to insinuate... a joke.

laugh. please, for me?

RebelWithanAK · Oct 21, 2003, 09:49 pm

oh, okay. hahahahaha. sorry. =P

xm.bretton · Oct 21, 2003, 10:29 pm

I guess I should keep my poor humor to a minimum in these debates.

hope I didnt offended anyone, didnt mean it :)

dannyp · Oct 25, 2003, 12:16 am

these fem topics really go downhill..

Fallen Angel · Oct 25, 2003, 09:04 am

Well feminism is pretty much a down hill thing.

yabbut · Oct 26, 2003, 04:38 pm

dannyp wrote:

"There is much hipocracy because they have no real set goals or ideals, they just revert to calling everything unjust."

The goals of femenism are different in different areas of the world. For western cultures some objectives are to have equality in the amount of time spent on housework and child care; equal pay (just look at any stats, women are still paid less for the same work); the ability to walk down the street in a large city without some jerk saying something along the lines of 'hey baby gimme some of that ass'; removal of the glass ceiling at the work place (perfect example... someone on this board saying men are prone to lead); the ability to be a powerful woman without being called a bitch (unlike men who are given kudos when attaining power).

"what if a women loved power? their ego? and had a horrific&obsessive fascination with the inner workings of a car? she would be very boy-ish, and who would that attract?"

Maybe a man with a little more to offer than patronism.

"Women on the other hand are more encouraging, more sociable, do not act impulsively, and they spend a little less time acting. Not to say that they do not get the same amount done. The quality of work is put in to different areas depending on the woman or mans values. "

How many men do you know who work full time, cook dinner, clean the house and look after the kids? Obviously (thank god) there are some but how can you say that women get nothing done? Are you blind?

"WHY MUST EVERYONE MENTION THE NAZIS IN EVERY THREAD ABOUT EVERYTHING?"

I read somewhere that at the point in a discussion where someone brings up Nazis the discussion has deteriorated beyond saving... :)

(sorry my quotes go so far back in the topic but i'm new here and I couldn't resist responding!)

G. Adams · Oct 26, 2003, 06:18 pm

Its actually *coughs* djgmdm's law of message boards, but i've found that the discussion only goes that way when someone actually invokes the law, rather than the nazis.

dannyp · Oct 26, 2003, 07:09 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (yabbut,)
dannyp wrote:
dannyp:"There is much hipocracy because they have no real set goals or ideals, they just revert to calling everything unjust."

yabbut:The goals of femenism are different in different areas of the world. For western cultures some objectives are to have equality in the amount of time spent on housework and child care; equal pay (just look at any stats, women are still paid less for the same work); the ability to walk down the street in a large city without some jerk saying something along the lines of 'hey baby gimme some of that ass'; removal of the glass ceiling at the work place (perfect example... someone on this board saying men are prone to lead); the ability to be a powerful woman without being called a bitch (unlike men who are given kudos when attaining power).<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Please read the rest of the thread before you state what I already have. :) I'm pretty sure I went over women in power, and women sexually offended, if you wanna discuss that quote me.. there is another feminism thread too that i posted a lot in.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (yabbut,)
dannyp:"what if a women loved power? their ego? and had a horrific&obsessive fascination with the inner workings of a car? she would be very boy-ish, and who would that attract?"

yabbut:Maybe a man with a little more to offer than patronism.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

could you give me examples? i know that some less dominant men like more dominant women. But a lot of those times do not include day to day living.. more of a sexual thing or their personal relationship rather than their 'role' or abilities in the relationship.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (yabbut,)
dannyp:"Women on the other hand are more encouraging, more sociable, do not act impulsively, and they spend a little less time acting. Not to say that they do not get the same amount done. The quality of work is put in to different areas depending on the woman or mans values. "

yabbut:How many men do you know who work full time, cook dinner, clean the house and look after the kids? Obviously (thank god) there are some but how can you say that women get nothing done? Are you blind?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

I did NOT say women get nothing done. Read it again, you totally took it out of context. I even said flat out " not to say that they do not get the same amount done ". I am not blind, read what i said please.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (yabbut,)
(sorry my quotes go so far back in the topic but i'm new here and I couldn't resist responding!)<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

its cool :) just make sure u read everything :P

Oct 21, 2003, 11:19 am	#43 (permalink) (top)
xm.bretton Molten Ash Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 89	haha yeah I believe hitler and the nazi party only wanted equality in the beginning, also. ;) xm.bretton xhalation.com

Oct 21, 2003, 11:20 am	#44 (permalink) (top)
xm.bretton Molten Ash Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 89	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (fedfem,) male feminists are still feminists. Better yet, they are just good Men.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>i dont need to be a feminist to be a good man. I already am. xm.bretton xhalation.com

Oct 21, 2003, 11:49 am	#45 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (xm.bretton,) haha yeah I believe hitler and the nazi party only wanted equality in the beginning, also. ;)<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> And here I was thinking you had some brain in your head. Or maybe I wasn't. Bah. . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Oct 21, 2003, 03:27 pm	#47 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152	Because its the harshest insult that can be thrown, and because they do exist (unlike dickheads and fuckwits) its kind of legitimised. It shouldn't be, but if someone who doesn't like you and, rightly or wrongly, gets a sniff of something that is connected to the Nazis, even if you mentioned building motorways I'm sure someone would take the oppurtunity, you can bet they'll throw 'you damned nazi' at you. Even if you stand on the opposite end of the spectrum entirely it'll come your way. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Oct 21, 2003, 08:21 pm	#48 (permalink) (top)
xm.bretton Molten Ash Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 89	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (RebelWithanAK,) And here I was thinking you had some* brain in your head. Or maybe I wasn't. Bah.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> the little wink... was suppose... to insinuate... a joke. laugh. please, for me? xm.*bretton xhalation.com

Oct 20, 2003, 05:27 pm	#41 (permalink) (top)
eXploiTeD Molten Ash Posts: 32	Feminist theory, as a means of analyzing power structures, has quite a bit of potential. Taken as a useful tool, feminism provides men and women alike with a fantastic way to critique our many social institutions. For those (increasingly) few feminists that do not automatically assume the responsibility of the patriarchy for all of todays problems, I only applaude them. Unfortunately, the vast majority of feminists seem to have forgotten that the most important 'point' to feminism (equality for all) transcends gender, and, consequentially, have fallen prey to the same tendencies as their self-proclaimed enemy, the chauvanist.

Oct 21, 2003, 01:37 am	#42 (permalink) (top)
Fallen Angel Igneous Magma Location: Sydney,Australia. Posts: 333	Actually its 'Masculinist' not meninist, feminism.. what a rotting cancer of hatred it really was all along, don't be fooled guys they want the lot, the equality bullshit was just a stepping stone. Equality is your turn to change the nappy and your turn again to mow the lawn.

Oct 21, 2003, 12:15 pm	#46 (permalink) (top)
TwoShanks Molten Ash Posts: 29	WHY MUST EVERYONE MENTION THE NAZIS IN EVERY THREAD ABOUT EVERYTHING? I apologise for shouting, but it's very annoying.

Oct 21, 2003, 09:49 pm	#49 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	oh, okay. hahahahaha. sorry. =P . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Oct 21, 2003, 10:29 pm	#50 (permalink) (top)
xm.bretton Molten Ash Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 89	I guess I should keep my poor humor to a minimum in these debates. hope I didnt offended anyone, didnt mean it :) xm.bretton xhalation.com

Oct 25, 2003, 12:16 am	#51 (permalink) (top)
dannyp projects himself Posts: 130	these fem topics really go downhill.. projectdp.com :: thinktankforums.com

Oct 25, 2003, 09:04 am	#52 (permalink) (top)
Fallen Angel Igneous Magma Location: Sydney,Australia. Posts: 333	Well feminism is pretty much a down hill thing.

Oct 26, 2003, 04:38 pm	#53 (permalink) (top)
yabbut Sedimentary Rock Posts: 3	dannyp wrote: "There is much hipocracy because they have no real set goals or ideals, they just revert to calling everything unjust." The goals of femenism are different in different areas of the world. For western cultures some objectives are to have equality in the amount of time spent on housework and child care; equal pay (just look at any stats, women are still paid less for the same work); the ability to walk down the street in a large city without some jerk saying something along the lines of 'hey baby gimme some of that ass'; removal of the glass ceiling at the work place (perfect example... someone on this board saying men are prone to lead); the ability to be a powerful woman without being called a bitch (unlike men who are given kudos when attaining power). "what if a women loved power? their ego? and had a horrific&obsessive fascination with the inner workings of a car? she would be very boy-ish, and who would that attract?" Maybe a man with a little more to offer than patronism. "Women on the other hand are more encouraging, more sociable, do not act impulsively, and they spend a little less time acting. Not to say that they do not get the same amount done. The quality of work is put in to different areas depending on the woman or mans values. " How many men do you know who work full time, cook dinner, clean the house and look after the kids? Obviously (thank god) there are some but how can you say that women get nothing done? Are you blind? "WHY MUST EVERYONE MENTION THE NAZIS IN EVERY THREAD ABOUT EVERYTHING?" I read somewhere that at the point in a discussion where someone brings up Nazis the discussion has deteriorated beyond saving... :) (sorry my quotes go so far back in the topic but i'm new here and I couldn't resist responding!)

Oct 26, 2003, 06:18 pm	#54 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152	Its actually coughs djgmdm's law of message boards, but i've found that the discussion only goes that way when someone actually invokes the law, rather than the nazis. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Oct 26, 2003, 07:09 pm	#55 (permalink) (top)
dannyp projects himself Posts: 130	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (yabbut,) dannyp wrote: dannyp:"There is much hipocracy because they have no real set goals or ideals, they just revert to calling everything unjust." yabbut:The goals of femenism are different in different areas of the world. For western cultures some objectives are to have equality in the amount of time spent on housework and child care; equal pay (just look at any stats, women are still paid less for the same work); the ability to walk down the street in a large city without some jerk saying something along the lines of 'hey baby gimme some of that ass'; removal of the glass ceiling at the work place (perfect example... someone on this board saying men are prone to lead); the ability to be a powerful woman without being called a bitch (unlike men who are given kudos when attaining power).<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Please read the rest of the thread before you state what I already have. :) I'm pretty sure I went over women in power, and women sexually offended, if you wanna discuss that quote me.. there is another feminism thread too that i posted a lot in. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (yabbut,) dannyp:"what if a women loved power? their ego? and had a horrific&obsessive fascination with the inner workings of a car? she would be very boy-ish, and who would that attract?" yabbut:Maybe a man with a little more to offer than patronism.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> could you give me examples? i know that some less dominant men like more dominant women. But a lot of those times do not include day to day living.. more of a sexual thing or their personal relationship rather than their 'role' or abilities in the relationship. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (yabbut,) dannyp:"Women on the other hand are more encouraging, more sociable, do not act impulsively, and they spend a little less time acting. Not to say that they do not get the same amount done. The quality of work is put in to different areas depending on the woman or mans values. " yabbut:How many men do you know who work full time, cook dinner, clean the house and look after the kids? Obviously (thank god) there are some but how can you say that women get nothing done? Are you blind?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I did NOT say women get nothing done. Read it again, you totally took it out of context. I even said flat out " not to say that they do not get the same amount done ". I am not blind, read what i said please. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (yabbut,) (sorry my quotes go so far back in the topic but i'm new here and I couldn't resist responding!)<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> its cool :) just make sure u read everything :P projectdp.com :: thinktankforums.com