Extraordinary guns seized

[Praxius]

A question and an observation...

Question: Does Canada have a Right to Bear Arms similar to the U.S. Constitution?

No. We can own certain firearms for certain things, such as hunting, sports, law enforcement, military, and using on the range, but those weapons have to be registered by the Government, you are limited to a certain amount of firearms in your household, and you sure as hell can't carry them on you in public.

I don't remember all the fine details, but I know that if not 100%, at least 95% of all pistols are not permitted for possesion by a civilian, unless a retired police officer, RCMP officer, or from the military.

No semi-automatic firearms are permitted. No Shotgun with a certain length barrel (Such as sawed-off) are permitted. No High powered automatic firearms are permitted.

Let me see if I can get a run down on the laws here in Canada:

Gun Control Laws in Canada

^ This has a basic, and seems acurate layout of the Gun Control laws.... although a bit outdated perhaps, it should answer some of your questions, from what is permitted, to it's effictiveness.

There are an estimated 7.4 million firearms in Canada, about 1.2 million of which are restricted firearms (mostly handguns). In the U.S., there are approximately 222 million firearms; 76 million of the firearms in circulation are handguns.

For 1987-96, on average, 65% of homicides in the U.S. involved firearms, compared to 32% for Canada

For 1987-96, the average firearm homicide rate was 5.7 per 100,000 in the U.S., compared to 0.7 per 100,000 for Canada.

For 1989-95, the average handgun homicide rate was 4.8 per 100,000 in the U.S., compared to 0.3 per 100,000 for Canada. Handguns were involved in more than half (52%) of the homicides in the U.S., compared to 14% in Canada.

For 1989-95, the average non-firearm homicide rate was 3.1 per 100,000 people in the U.S., compared to 1.6 per 100,000 for Canada.

Further information can also be found here:

Gun politics in Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Canadian gun registry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Observation: A dropped 911 call is reason for police to go to a location. There are a multitude of reasons. When they get to the door, if the person who answers acts suspiciously, the police have a right to enter the premises on the basis of the person answering the door might not be the one who made the call, and could very well be keeping another person in fear of harm.

Upon entering the residence, they saw firearms nearby. Depending on the answer to my question, as well as firearms licensing and registration in Canada, then if those firearms weren't registered, and if there were that many of them, that pretty much takes care of any issues.

Before any of you go off about liberty and a travesty against justice, consider the laws of that nation and the legality of the weapons possession.

From the Wiki Link:

In 1969, Bill C-150 created categories of “non-restricted,” “restricted” and “prohibited” weapons. Police were also given preventive powers of search and seizure by judicial warrant if they had grounds to believe that weapons that belonged to an individual endangered the safety of society.

Do you think someone should violate the laws of their nation in order to possess weapons?

No. Why do they require such weapons that are deemed illegal by their country? If they feel they need illegal weapons for their own protection, They got some paranoia issues.

If so, and if you believe one needs weapons to defend against their own government, then isn't it hypocritical to break one law in order to defend another?

Canada doesn't really need a constitutional right to bare arms against our own government or any other country for that matter.... our government has a few more contol points for the citizens than there seem to be in the US. Also the chance of Canadian citizens being opressed by our military is very slim. The Military is here to protect Canadian Citizens not the Canadian Government. Everybody here in the country hate Poloticians, including our military. If the majority of the country wanted dramatic change, and the majority was obvious, most likely the government would be changed very fast without incident, long before any military force would be needed.... and if Military force was to be applied, you'd see a lot of soldiers side with the civilian population more so then the government. No Canadian leader would have the balls to send our troops against our own civilians, unless those civilians posed a threat to others.... that would go against everything that Canada stands for and would automatically prove they don't have the best interests of Canada in their priorities.

And even if the worst case scenario occured where the military was used to oppress the overall population of Canada, we are very resourceful, and we'd get the firearms we would require.

[ZNFYRH]

Praxius

That was very enlightening, thank you.

I live very close to Canada and I didn't want to presume to know the technicalities, but what I thought I knew is close to what you said.

I remember that if I wanted to carry a weapon into Canada I had to jump through more hoops than was worth it.

So basically this guy really screwed up and is getting what he deserves according to the letter of Canadian law?

[Praxius]

Pretty much.... You're allowed a few firearms in your household within reason and depending on what you intend their uses for.... but having an Ammo Depot in your home is a bit much.

[Osborn F Enready]

There has been no news yet, no facts anyway, just speculation.

Every single gun COULD have been replica guns, in other words, real guns made unable to fire.

Until I see the facts, I say this guy sounds like he is getting railroaded.

[Praxius]

Well in another couple of hours, I'll be doing my news run for the day, I'll check see if I find anything in relation to this again.

[deepk]

This is no stage show. Its a real life happening. If such things continue we may have people running around with stinger missiles on their shoulders (just like in afghanistan a few years back) shooting down what ever comes in front of them.

[brien]

I don't remember all the fine details, but I know that if not 100%, at least 95% of all pistols are not permitted for possesion by a civilian, unless a retired police officer, RCMP officer, or from the military

In George Orwell's novel Animal Farm everyone is equal but the pigs are "more equal" than others.

[brien]

This is no stage show. Its a real life happening. If such things continue we may have people running around with stinger missiles on their shoulders (just like in afghanistan a few years back) shooting down what ever comes in front of them.

Right......And the sky is falling there Chicken Little.:rolleyes:

[brien]

Until I see the facts, I say this guy sounds like he is getting railroaded.

And we haven't seen any facts yet, have we? We haven't even seen the evidence. We have seen photos that show tarp covered boxes. What are they hiding? Is this comparable to pornography, can't let the public see what they have confisgated in the raid? Why?

Perhaps they have stumbled upon a weapons casche, but so far only your "hair dresser knows for sure". Keep us in the know Prax so we can decide what is going on rather than relying upon vague news reports.

[Praxius]

Indeed... I'll do a search again.... I figured something else would have come up by now...... although I am on the other side of the Country, so chances are I might have missed something.

one sec......

Nope.... Apparently he'll be in court in June.... until then, we probably won't hear anything until shortly before he steps in.

[brien]

Thanks for staying on top on it...

[rmnunez]

What if it was a hoax, some staged event to admonish and caution the citizenry to turn in and report any "extraordinary" weapons?