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| Absolutely Superb Posts: 774 | Sony Uses Dead Goat in Publicity Stunt Quote:
Well, this was one completely unexpected and totally fucked up story for me to stumble upon today. Last edited by Zinkovich; Apr 28, 2007 at 10:24 pm. | |
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| formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 13,270 | I guess Sony hasn't gotten enough bad press lately (think rootkits). This is over-the-top stupid, not to mention cruel and unnecessary. This sort of thing wouldn't even be acceptable in Japan. They've earned all the disrespect they're getting. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant) |
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| Stabbed By Satan Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 247 | I don't like the fact they chopped a goats head off to sell a game, but at the same time it's no reason for anyone to boycott the game or any other game. Economic Left/Right: -9.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.79 Reality is fantasy; Facts are perception. |
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| formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 13,270 | Good reason to boycott Sony, though, if you're so inclined. ![]() The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant) |
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| Open the cages! Posts: 1,774 | What do you expect when individuals in society view the value of animals as being based on their utility? A value for compassion? A value for mercy? A value for kindness? Those concepts get swept away when utility for profit and pleasure are valued most. "FREE ME", song video by Goldfinger "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." --Albert Einstein |
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| Hot Lava Location: Beijing Posts: 2,340 | Hate to say it, but I can't help wanting to try this game out. And I don't see how beheading a goat and displaying its dead carcass is any more savage than killing the thing to eat it. If I were the goat, it wouldn't make any difference to me HOW I was killed; the important thing is, I'm dead now. This is the reason I don't let bullfighting bother me any more than slaughterhouses would. The thing's dead meat either way. fushigi "What truth endures beneath the flaming stream?" -- A Volcano, Bartolome de Las Casas, Inferno de Marsaya, 1536 |
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"FREE ME", song video by Goldfinger "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." --Albert Einstein Last edited by StrongHeartsWin; Apr 29, 2007 at 09:53 am. | |||
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![]() Gamma-ray burst Location: Nashville Posts: 6,293 | Quote:
Sick Delusion- A persistent false belief held in the face of strong contradictory evidence. (i.e. religion) Shared | |
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| Odd Girly Girl Location: Wisconsin Posts: 557 | Quote:
The article also does not state exactly how the animal was killed, so who knows how humanely, if at all, its death was. This statement makes me wonder: Quote:
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| Igneous Magma Posts: 261 | I am wondering if it occurred to Sony that this could and would turn out bad for customer relations. Did they not realize that even if it was a private adult party that it would definitely leak out to the general public where it would most probably be viewed with horror and disdain? what a waste of a goat. Beware of Logical Fallacies. See a list of them in the link below. http://home.mcn.net/~montanabw/fallacies.html |
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| Odd Girly Girl Location: Wisconsin Posts: 557 | LOL... interesting way to put it, but yes. Quote:
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| Open the cages! Posts: 1,774 | Quote:
What is surprising is that a multinational company such as Sony had executives that didn`t think about their international image on this one. Perhaps many of the execs in on this promotional event were young and not bloodied with world PR experience. I am sure they have added a new page to their worker training manuals for PR: Chapter 11, pg 129 "FREE ME", song video by Goldfinger "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." --Albert Einstein | |
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| Odd Girly Girl Location: Wisconsin Posts: 557 | Excellent point. American's (and PETA being an American organization that carries a lot of weight and pressure with issues such as these) are a large consumer of Sony products. Dare I say, largest? If anyone knows, I would be interested to know. |
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| Open the cages! Posts: 1,774 | I keep seeing some references to PETA about this news getting out. It was not PETA; it was The Fund for Animal Welfare who got the ball rolling on this Sony thing. I know everyone thinks PETA has their hands in every animal related protest or anti-animal exploitation event, but that is simply not true. There are a few other orgs larger and stronger than PETA with more recourses to invest. PETA just gets more headlines and credit for their work in the news because they are more media savy and deft with gettng their message and news out than the other orgs do. Comparison by the numbers:But, PETA is more firmly lodged in the heads of people as being at the forefront for the fight for animal protection and advancement in their rights. *Now, just because I posted some financial info about PETA, don`t some smart ass come on and say a smart-ass acronym for them. Mods, please watch for my prediction on this and take action if you think it is being put forth to enflame or add nothing to the discussion. "FREE ME", song video by Goldfinger "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." --Albert Einstein |
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| Igneous Magma Posts: 261 | While it is possible that the method of killing was less then humane, It is also possible they choose to not talk about the method of killing because they know it will open up a whole new can of worms or a whole new line of debate about the practices involved besides the original argument. I own a pet snake, and almost all snakes kept in captivity eat mice or some other small animal. To give the snake the full nutritional components that it needs they need to be fed whole mice. Most snake owners use pre-killed mice as opposed to live mice (there is debate about this in the snake keeper world PM me if interested) This is relevant to this topic because instead of raising my own mice (and pre killing them myself) I buy them in pre-killed in bulk from a mouse breeder. This breeder chooses not to discuss or explain how the slaughter is done. Why would a company such as this want to hide the slaughter practices from their customers who already are fine with the death of mice since they own pets that consume them? I think its not because they regard it as morally wrong and are in denial, but because they know explaining it would raise a whole new debate, where people tell them how evil or wrong they are to do those specific practices on animals. I should add that I am 95% certain they do use a humane method on these mice, gas of some sort I think. They wouldn't do anything too drastic because it might affect the snake when they eat it. Beware of Logical Fallacies. See a list of them in the link below. http://home.mcn.net/~montanabw/fallacies.html |
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| Open the cages! Posts: 1,774 | DEEJ, I would suspect drowning in tanks or barrels in wired cages. Very cheap and easy keeping overhead low. Water trapped in the lungs of mice or rats would not pose any threat when consumed. Gas may, I would conjecture. That said, I am aganst all forms of the pet trade. "FREE ME", song video by Goldfinger "Nothing will benefit human health and increase chances for survival of life on Earth as much as the evolution to a vegetarian diet." --Albert Einstein |
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 9,491 | OK, I know that if you read it on the Internet it must be true. Still, topless women, offal eating, pulling snakes from a pit with their bare hands? Sure, sounds just like most officially sanctioned corporate events. Right. Absolutely. Reminds me of the recent Apple Ipod orgy/virgin sacrifice. Sure. No doubt. A Google search on "Sony" "decapitated goat" yielded various versions of this story. The top link was from the UK magazine "The Spoof" with the notation at the bottom "The story above is a satire or parody. It is entirely fictitious." Until there is a better source available I will remain a bit skeptical. Rick "When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross." Sinclair Lewis |
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| Odd Girly Girl Location: Wisconsin Posts: 557 | SHW, very interesting information. Thank you for providing that. I think I will have to look into that further in my free time. Quote:
A snake eating a mouse because it is required for the sustainance of the snake is different than killing an animal that does not need to be killed. In this case, Sony killed the animal for no more than publicity. Very different than needing it to sustain ones life, in my opinion. | |
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