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saltinespike · Apr 28, 2007, 05:08 pm

For those who do not know, the new Grand Theft Auto, coming out October 16, 2007 in the U.S., seems to be taking on a new role on GTA gaming. San Andreas seemed to be more focused on making the game somewhat comical and unrealistic, which gave it huge potential for other uses (such as running golf carts off of skyscrapers and just flat out stupid stuff). The new Grand Theft Auto seems to be focusing more on making things more realistic. This means elimination of things such as the jetpack as seen in San Andreas. It also seems that the storyline will be taken much more seriously.

So here's the million dollar question: do you think that taking a role as more realistic is better than being unrealistic (and light-hearted and comical)?

Side-note: the graphics in GTA IV will be greatly improved.

bishop · Apr 28, 2007, 05:27 pm

personally, i don't care if they make it realistic or comical - so long as the execution is solid.

i've always had a bit of a love/hate relationship with the GTA series... on one hand, it's damn fun to play. on the other, the higher-level missions can be so frustrating that they can force you to just stop playing the game entirely (i never got past the stupid-assed radio controlled plan mission in san andrea, and stopped playing because of that)..

i have saints row and crackdown for my 360.. both of them have very different themes, despite their similarities - and both of them execute very well.

saltinespike · Apr 28, 2007, 05:29 pm

Cheat codes will do wonders.

I could write a strategy guide out, also (for the missions you need it on), if you would like. Need something to occupy my time, anyways.

tman_ndsu08 · Apr 28, 2007, 05:30 pm

I played vice city. That was a lot of fun.

saltinespike · Apr 28, 2007, 05:31 pm

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I played vice city. That was a lot of fun.

Okay. Did you have anything to contribute to the debate?

tman_ndsu08 · Apr 28, 2007, 05:33 pm

I've not played GTA IV, have you?

bishop · Apr 28, 2007, 05:35 pm

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Cheat codes will do wonders.

I could write a strategy guide out, also (for the missions you need it on), if you would like. Need something to occupy my time, anyways.

there was no way to cheat past that particular mission though... you just keep running out of fuel, unless your thumbs pull of a small miracle.

i'm sure some people managed to beat that mission, but i got fed up after the 25th attempt...

those sorts of missions are what i hope rockstar doesn't recreate in this next edition. doesn't matter if it's all realistic or fantasy-land - so long as they leave this nonsense alone.

saltinespike · Apr 28, 2007, 05:37 pm

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there was no way to cheat past that particular mission though... you just keep running out of fuel, unless your thumbs pull of a small miracle.

i'm sure some people managed to beat that mission, but i got fed up after the 25th attempt...

those sorts of missions are what i hope rockstar doesn't recreate in this next edition. doesn't matter if it's all realistic or fantasy-land - so long as they leave this nonsense alone.

Which mission? Explain your problem. Well, via PM, please. Don't wanna go off-topic with this.

bishop · Apr 28, 2007, 05:38 pm

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I've not played GTA IV, have you?

this is a warning - either post something pertaining the OP or don't post in this thread.

saltinespike · Apr 28, 2007, 05:38 pm

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I've not played GTA IV, have you?

No, but that is irrelavent, and I would appreciate it if you would stop spamming. I said do you think GTA IV will be better.

Mr.Vicchio · Apr 28, 2007, 05:41 pm

I think it's going to rock, I think it's a good thing for the series. I always waited for the X-Box version vice the PS2, cause the PS2 was grainier and the load times sucked.

What they are doing with GTA IV is just... mind blowing. Look for Jack Thompson to come unglued.

gw120 · Apr 28, 2007, 06:00 pm

I personally like the unrealistic parts of GTA. I love being able to go out and spray a cop in the face with a flamethrower then fly away in my jet pack and press left right square triangle and hop in a tank and shoot everyone. I don't want them to take that stuff out.

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Look for Jack Thompson to come unglued.

Jack Thompson is satan's little brother.

Epistemologist · Apr 28, 2007, 06:07 pm

Yeah, I think it would be better. Most of the time for me realistic games are better than the fantastical ones, while the latter are nice in only situations, like when I'm in the mood to play that kind of game. Besides, I think most games should be realistic by default, and then if you want, you can use cheatcodes or something to make them unrealistic, e.g. to get a rocket launcher in the middle of town. I don't play games much though anyway. Also, as a side note, I've played that Godfather game, which is supposed to be like GTA, and that was pretty cool.

"Life is complicated. I killed people, smuggled people, sold people. Perhaps here, things will be different." It looks pretty cool from the trailer. I just hope it's not too dramatic.

Eh, if it's not coming out on PC, I won't be able to try it anyway. :(

Osborn F Enready · May 3, 2007, 11:54 am

I always prefer realism to fantasy.

ZNFYRH · May 3, 2007, 12:29 pm

My life is real enough.

The game should have some elements that are unrealistic.

Pretty graphics are nice, but they don't need to kill my system for the cause of realism.

And it's the extreme "fun" stuff that makes a game enjoyable. It's fun to jetpack to the top of a mountain, ride a bike off the side, and base jump down to the highway below, only to have the bicycle land next to you undamaged.

It's entertainment.

Chaossaber314 · May 4, 2007, 11:17 pm

You can have realism and some comedy to lighten the mood in the same package. My "real" life is one continual punchline.

Le GoogelGuRu · May 7, 2007, 07:20 pm

I agree with the not entirely realistic arguments. Jetpacks were fun. Grand Theft Auto will continue to be constantly bashed by people such as Jack Thompson and my French teacher, but I think if you are mature enough to play it then it's okay to play it.

In terms of IV in general, I saw the trailer. (Not the high bandwidth version that took forever to load but a lower quality on Youtube) and it looks pretty cool to me. I don't know why New York City is being the city again - unless they change it around a lot --- because wasn't Liberty City supposed to be (somewhat) of a version of NYC? Plus, the mayor of New York City doesn't really like it either.

saltinespike · May 7, 2007, 07:25 pm

The reason they are re-creating Liberty is because they felt that it wasn't created well in III, so they wanted to make it much more realistic, to let people know that it was New York.

My response to the mayor thing is something you said:

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Grand Theft Auto will continue to be constantly bashed by people such as Jack Thompson and my French teacher, but I think if you are mature enough to play it then it's okay to play it.

The supposed safest city in the world. Yes, Mr. Mayor, New York is just as safe as Disneyland. :rolleyes:

CoffeeSaint · May 11, 2007, 09:55 am

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personally, i don't care if they make it realistic or comical - so long as the execution is solid.

i've always had a bit of a love/hate relationship with the GTA series... on one hand, it's damn fun to play. on the other, the higher-level missions can be so frustrating that they can force you to just stop playing the game entirely (i never got past the stupid-assed radio controlled plan mission in san andrea, and stopped playing because of that)..

Nailed it in one, Bishop. Realistic works fine, absurd works fine -- as long as it works. I couldn't get past that freaking mission either, though I went ahead and finished the game -- I get obsessive that way -- but the best parts of the game were all in Los Santos, anyway. Though I did enjoy the jetpack, I'll admit, and the mission near the end when you get to fly the Harrier and blow enemy fighters out of the sky was sa-WEET!

I enjoyed Godfather as much as GTA; the environment was much simpler and thus better crafted, and the missions were more open to interpretation and improvisation, which I like. I think Godfather has more replay value because of it.

I just got Scarface: the World is Yours, and so far I'm unimpressed, but I haven't played it much yet -- still have to finish GTA: Vice City Stories.

ZNFYRH · May 11, 2007, 10:13 am

Godfather and Scarface definitely added things that I wish were in GTA.

Specifically, the ability to have every car in the game available to you if you call a henchman and have him deliver it. (Scarface)

The more open nature of the missions in Godfather is a big plus... as long as you get 'er done.

Apr 28, 2007, 05:08 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
saltinespike 20-20 Atheist Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 466	Grand Theft Auto IV: better or worse? For those who do not know, the new Grand Theft Auto, coming out October 16, 2007 in the U.S., seems to be taking on a new role on GTA gaming. San Andreas seemed to be more focused on making the game somewhat comical and unrealistic, which gave it huge potential for other uses (such as running golf carts off of skyscrapers and just flat out stupid stuff). The new Grand Theft Auto seems to be focusing more on making things more realistic. This means elimination of things such as the jetpack as seen in San Andreas. It also seems that the storyline will be taken much more seriously. So here's the million dollar question: do you think that taking a role as more realistic is better than being unrealistic (and light-hearted and comical)? Side-note: the graphics in GTA IV will be greatly improved. Torture is the gradual elimination of emotions.

Apr 28, 2007, 05:27 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
bishop moderat-e/o-r Location: boston Posts: 11,184	personally, i don't care if they make it realistic or comical - so long as the execution is solid. i've always had a bit of a love/hate relationship with the GTA series... on one hand, it's damn fun to play. on the other, the higher-level missions can be so frustrating that they can force you to just stop playing the game entirely (i never got past the stupid-assed radio controlled plan mission in san andrea, and stopped playing because of that).. i have saints row and crackdown for my 360.. both of them have very different themes, despite their similarities - and both of them execute very well. hope for america... http://www.ronpaul2008.com/

Apr 28, 2007, 05:29 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
saltinespike 20-20 Atheist Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 466	Cheat codes will do wonders. I could write a strategy guide out, also (for the missions you need it on), if you would like. Need something to occupy my time, anyways. Torture is the gradual elimination of emotions.

Apr 28, 2007, 05:41 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
Mr.Vicchio Navy Veteran Location: Texas Posts: 6,031	I think it's going to rock, I think it's a good thing for the series. I always waited for the X-Box version vice the PS2, cause the PS2 was grainier and the load times sucked. What they are doing with GTA IV is just... mind blowing. Look for Jack Thompson to come unglued. Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?

Apr 28, 2007, 06:07 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
Epistemologist God is good Location: Down by the river, stealing your water Posts: 1,518	Yeah, I think it would be better. Most of the time for me realistic games are better than the fantastical ones, while the latter are nice in only situations, like when I'm in the mood to play that kind of game. Besides, I think most games should be realistic by default, and then if you want, you can use cheatcodes or something to make them unrealistic, e.g. to get a rocket launcher in the middle of town. I don't play games much though anyway. Also, as a side note, I've played that Godfather game, which is supposed to be like GTA, and that was pretty cool. "Life is complicated. I killed people, smuggled people, sold people. Perhaps here, things will be different." It looks pretty cool from the trailer. I just hope it's not too dramatic. Eh, if it's not coming out on PC, I won't be able to try it anyway. :( But what's to stop the manic tide, The suicide of our own pride? The Complex

Apr 28, 2007, 05:30 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	I played vice city. That was a lot of fun.

Apr 28, 2007, 05:33 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	I've not played GTA IV, have you?

May 3, 2007, 11:54 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	I always prefer realism to fantasy. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

May 3, 2007, 12:29 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
ZNFYRH Volcanic Erupter Posts: 4,375	My life is real enough. The game should have some elements that are unrealistic. Pretty graphics are nice, but they don't need to kill my system for the cause of realism. And it's the extreme "fun" stuff that makes a game enjoyable. It's fun to jetpack to the top of a mountain, ride a bike off the side, and base jump down to the highway below, only to have the bicycle land next to you undamaged. It's entertainment.

May 4, 2007, 11:17 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
Chaossaber314 The Cake is a lie... Location: St. Louis Posts: 2,285	You can have realism and some comedy to lighten the mood in the same package. My "real" life is one continual punchline. What makes a man turn neutral? Lust for gold? Power? Or were you just born with a heart full of neutrality?

May 7, 2007, 07:20 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
Le GoogelGuRu Molten Ash Location: NL, Canada Posts: 35	I agree with the not entirely realistic arguments. Jetpacks were fun. Grand Theft Auto will continue to be constantly bashed by people such as Jack Thompson and my French teacher, but I think if you are mature enough to play it then it's okay to play it. In terms of IV in general, I saw the trailer. (Not the high bandwidth version that took forever to load but a lower quality on Youtube) and it looks pretty cool to me. I don't know why New York City is being the city again - unless they change it around a lot --- because wasn't Liberty City supposed to be (somewhat) of a version of NYC? Plus, the mayor of New York City doesn't really like it either. Le GoogelGuRu

May 11, 2007, 10:13 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
ZNFYRH Volcanic Erupter Posts: 4,375	Godfather and Scarface definitely added things that I wish were in GTA. Specifically, the ability to have every car in the game available to you if you call a henchman and have him deliver it. (Scarface) The more open nature of the missions in Godfather is a big plus... as long as you get 'er done.