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Old Mar 30, 2007, 11:58 am   #1 (permalink) (top)
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CTV.ca | Group outraged over naked Jesus chocolate

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NEW YORK -- The Easter season unveiling of a milk chocolate sculpture of Jesus Christ, dubbed "My Sweet Lord'' by its creator, left a sour taste Thursday in the mouths of a Catholic group infuriated by the anatomically correct confection.

"This is one of the worst assaults on Christian sensibilities ever,'' said Bill Donohue, head of the watchdog Catholic League. "It's not just the ugliness of the portrayal, but the timing -- to choose Holy Week is astounding.''

The 1.8-metre sculpture by artist Cosimo Cavallaro was to debut Monday evening, the day after Palm Sunday and just four days before Roman Catholics mark the crucifixion of Jesus Christ on Good Friday. The final day of the exhibit at the Lab Gallery inside midtown Manhattan's Roger Smith Hotel was planned for Easter Sunday.

"The fact that they chose Holy Week shows this is calculated, and the timing is deliberate,'' said Donohue, whose group represents 350,000 Catholics countrywide.

He called for an economic boycott of the hotel, which he described as "already morally bankrupt.''

The gallery's creative director, Matt Semler, said the Lab and the hotel were overrun with angry telephone calls and e-mails about the exhibit. Although he described Donohue's response as "a Catholic fatwa,'' Semler said the gallery was considering its options amid the criticism.

"We're obviously surprised by the overwhelming response and offence people have taken,'' said Semler, adding that the Holy Week timing was an unfortunate coincidence. "We are certainly in the process of trying to figure out what we're going to do next.''

The artwork was created from more than 90 kilograms of milk chocolate, and it features Christ with his arms outstretched as if on an invisible cross. Unlike the typical religious portrayal of Christ, the Cavallaro creation does not include a loincloth.

Cavallaro, who was raised in Canada and Italy, is best known for his quirky work with food as art: Past efforts include repainting a Manhattan hotel room in melted mozzarella, spraying five tonnes of pepper jack cheese on a Wyoming home and festooning a four-poster bed with 141 kilograms of processed ham.

The Christ sculpture will be on display April 2-7 from 6 p.m. to 7 p.m., with a final showing from midnight to 1 a.m. on Easter Sunday. Its location on the ground floor ensures attention from the thousands of passers-by in the busy neighbourhood just north of Grand Central Terminal.

Semler was particularly upset by the call for a boycott of the hotel, which he said was not involved in the selection of "My Sweet Lord.''

It is not the first time that Donohue's group and the art world have been at odds. A painting of "The Holy Virgin Mary'' that used a splash of elephant dung drew outrage in 1999.
Jesus (Literally) ~ You can't do anything these days without people getting PO'd.

I think they should keep it and display it for the sole reason that it is Easter soon. I think it potrays how Easter went from being about Jesus dieing, to a bunny throwing candy and chocolate around, with presents and crap.... stripping Jesus of what he was about.....

If anything, as a former Catholic, I think they should endorse it..... it's very much like X-mas now, and it's all about Santa and presents.
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Old Mar 30, 2007, 12:00 pm   #2 (permalink) (top)
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Well, at least they haven't started riots or committed murder and arson over the matter.
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Old Mar 30, 2007, 12:28 pm   #3 (permalink) (top)
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Give them time, lol...
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Old Mar 30, 2007, 01:16 pm   #4 (permalink) (top)
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Another Jewish attack on Christianity?

I suspect that Matt Semler, the creative director of this event, is Jewish and that is why it was staged in the first place.
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Old Mar 30, 2007, 01:24 pm   #5 (permalink) (top)
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Has anyone put out a contract on Cavallaro's life yet?
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Old Mar 30, 2007, 01:32 pm   #6 (permalink) (top)
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I suspect that Matt Semler, the creative director of this event, is Jewish and that is why it was staged in the first place.
What?

So someone promotes a chocolate naked Jesus, so they must be Jewish? Do you know how silly that sounds? Here..... check it out again:

Someone promotes a Chocolate Naked Jesus, so they must be Jewish.

Or is it that his last name resembles Jewish decent? Either way, I hardly think his religious background has anything to do with it..... hell as I said, I'd promote the thing for Christians as a symbol for what Easter was originally about, I don't see the big deal.

At least nobody has started to worship this false, chocolate idol yet.

Just wait until it pees blood.... or would it be rasberry juice since he's chocolate?
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Old Mar 30, 2007, 04:11 pm   #7 (permalink) (top)
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Taking shots at Christianity and Christian icons is

something Jews will do. Just look at Hollywood, e.g. Dogma, a great movie but if it were ridiculing Jewish beliefs and all that happened in Dogma took place in a synagogue there would be an uproar from Jews like you'd never heard before with screams of "anti-Semitism". Yes, I am leaping to conclusions and hope I'm wrong re Semler's name being Jewish and that it happening in downtown NY. Someone prove me wrong. Show me Semler's a good Goy from way back and this is just being silly.:confused:
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Old Mar 30, 2007, 05:29 pm   #8 (permalink) (top)
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I suspect that Matt Semler, the creative director of this event, is Jewish and that is why it was staged in the first place.

Bigotry is so reliable. Your anti-Semitism is as boring as it is ugly.

The response from Bill Donohue's group is also predictable as the sunrise. Donohue is a gay bashing thug. If I was Catholic I would be embarrassed to have such a jerk claiming to represent me.


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Old Mar 30, 2007, 06:13 pm   #9 (permalink) (top)
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So when a catholic group that's only 350,000 people we can get pieces of art took down, that really only a select few (in comparison to the whole nation) are offended at. But when the HUGE majority of the nation is offended at the president and his decisions we can't get him impeached. that doesn't make sense.

It's because it's chocolate, not vanilla, get it?


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Old Mar 30, 2007, 06:42 pm   #10 (permalink) (top)
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something Jews will do. Just look at Hollywood, e.g. Dogma, a great movie but if it were ridiculing Jewish beliefs and all that happened in Dogma took place in a synagogue there would be an uproar from Jews like you'd never heard before with screams of "anti-Semitism". Yes, I am leaping to conclusions and hope I'm wrong re Semler's name being Jewish and that it happening in downtown NY. Someone prove me wrong. Show me Semler's a good Goy from way back and this is just being silly.:confused:
Try again. Kevin Smith is actually Catholic.


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Old Mar 30, 2007, 07:05 pm   #11 (permalink) (top)
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Not to mention at the beginning of Dogma they did (jokingly) say that it was all a work of comedy, and that god has to have a sense of humor, since he made the platypus. Then they apologized to platypus enthusiasts. And I think there was a lot of uproar from the catholic community about that...


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Old Mar 30, 2007, 08:42 pm   #12 (permalink) (top)
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I'm quite willing to be proven wrong

Anybody really know if Semler is Jewish or not?

As for Hollywood and Christian bashing--it's well-known. Ask any Evangelical Christian. And the cause is obvious too. Jewish people form the largest ethnic sector of Hollywood producers. Sometime take a look at that Jewish comedienne's video out now getting her mileage off of bashing Jesus.

And sometime read the dozens of anti-Jesus, anti-Christian verses in the Talmud for the source of authoritative rabbinical teaching of hatred toward Christians. No, Jews don't do the KKK thing of bombing churches and synagogues but they do get their anti-Christian jollies off via control of Hollywood productions where Christian, especially Catholic, icons are common targets in comedies coming out of the den of sin. At least this is the perception of most Evangelicals I know. I'm not one but am a Christian and an ardent anti-Zionist one at that. For me, the real problem of Jewish control is seen in American support of the rogue state of Israel and again, one can thank Jewish Hollywood for cranking out perpetual stereotypes of Arabs as sinister terrorist types. Where are the movies showing IDF soldiers shooting innocent Palestinians? Where are the big budget Hollywood thrillers showing Israeli using cluster bombs on innocent civilians yet many a Hollywood thriller contains Arab terrorists doing their thing. Sorry, pet peeve, and I can see it's making me paranoid suspecting the worst of innocent chocolate covered Jesus promoters in a Manhattan hotel. Guess I'll just have to take my day-glo Buddy Christ down off the roof now..:confused: :confused: :confused:
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Old Mar 30, 2007, 08:45 pm   #13 (permalink) (top)
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A clip on Donahue from Olbermann.
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Old Mar 30, 2007, 08:50 pm   #14 (permalink) (top)
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Anybody really know if Semler is Jewish or not?
Explain to me why in hell it matters. Here is a news article about an Italian artist being attacked by a Catholic group for sculpting a nude Jesus in chocolate. And you jump in saying - isn't that just 'something Jews will do'.

You don't know if anyone involved is Jewish, with the exception of the chocolate guy, and yet you jump in and start blaming Jews! Could your anti-semitism possibly be more blatant?


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Old Mar 31, 2007, 03:49 am   #15 (permalink) (top)
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It's true I am jumping to conclusions

I admit it. Somebody prove to me Semler isn't Jewish and I will feel appropriately ashamed of thinking this was another Christian bashing by Jewish people.
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Old Mar 31, 2007, 10:13 am   #16 (permalink) (top)
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I admit it. Somebody prove to me Semler isn't Jewish and I will feel appropriately ashamed of thinking this was another Christian bashing by Jewish people.
Why do you care so dam much? Who cares? Frig.... what if the guy is Hindu?

And people come in this forum and ask why there's hostility towards religion and Christians..... there's and example right there..... singling out based on religious background, versus their own background and feeling that they're being attacked.....

Just one big dam excuse to start a fight.

What if the man's Jewish? Maybe he in the closet about his Christianity and love's looking at a naked Jesus from time to time...... and probably nibble on his nipple a bit, and lick some of that chocolate off that smooth, creamy arse...... (I hope you're not allergic to Nuts?)

There now besides some other guys being Jewish or not, do you feel that this Jesus is just expressionate art and you don't find it offensive, or are you offended by this? And why?
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Old Mar 31, 2007, 04:24 pm   #17 (permalink) (top)
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I'm not offended in the least by the chocolate Jesus

What I am "potentially" offended at is if this is another Jewish attack on Christian icons. And I freely admit to "potentially" overreacting. I do have a definite prejudice when it comes to public relations involving Jews and Christians as I am one of those now rarer Christian types who actually reads the Gospels and knows what Christ said about Pharisees, the precursors of modern rabbinical Judaism. Christ came to overthrow the Pharisee (Mitzvot worship) and Saduccee (Temple worship) Jewish forms of worship and replace them with his teachings and himself as the living Temple. The spiritual war between Christians and Jews was forged by Jesus' rebellion and has gone ever since with only the Evangelical Christian movement supporting Jewish nationalistic Zionism changing that relationship in our days with both groups using each other to promote their very separate and incompatible theologies.

Because I am anti-Zionist and support Palestinians, I am more sensitive than most to Jewish manipulation of public opinion. So I step into conflict by asking if Semler is Jewish or not and still await an answer to curb my suspicions of another publicity stunt arranged by Jews to embarrass Christians.
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Old Mar 31, 2007, 04:35 pm   #18 (permalink) (top)
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Anybody really know if Semler is Jewish or not?
He was on CNN and he is Catholic, not that it matters. He said he loves chocolate and wanted to portray jesus in that form because he loves them both.
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Old Mar 31, 2007, 05:27 pm   #19 (permalink) (top)
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I think the screaming over this is silly, but that's just me.


Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" is still being challenged to this day, but by consensus Global Warming is a fact... that's REAL science at work, why didn't Albert just go that route?
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Old Mar 31, 2007, 05:38 pm   #20 (permalink) (top)
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When I saw this topic on the forum list, it was kind of cut off, so I couldn't read the whole thing. I clicked this link, hoping that Jesus was the topic. Unfortunately...

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What I am "potentially" offended at is if this is another Jewish attack on Christian icons.
Blah blah, blah blah blah blah blab.... This is total nonsense. Ranting about Evangelicals, spiritual wars, Pharisees... I'll never understand how anyone can make sense out of all this. BTW, I see a chocolate Virgin Mary on his back!!


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