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arclight · May 24, 2004, 02:07 pm

Has anyone considered why there is no outrage over the waste and abuse of our police departments policies on law enforcement? Considering Ohio, there is a new program to target motorists who do not have their seatbelts on. The State patrol has spent god knows how much advertising this, and is obviously diverting resources to catch the evildoing non seatbelt wearing citizens. From my viewpoint, this is simply a backhanded tax. Similar to busting drug users or other "crimes" which only hurt the individual, police departments are rewarded for making these kind of busts. They recieve the money from the fines or confiscation of property. Are they rewarded for stopping a homeless junkie from attacking your grandma for money to buy some more heroin? I don't think so. If the police would back off the PC train a little, and protect the citizens who need to be protected and stop violent crimes when they can, instead of harrassing peopel who choose to risk their life and their life alone, we might have a little safer state. At least we have somewhat reestablished our rights to carry weapons again, so I can do my part. But, until citizens demand actual law enforcement from the police, and real, meaningful laws from the legislators, we will continue down the path where crime pays as much for the police as it does the criminal who gets away while the cops are giving out tickets to non- criminals.

May 24, 2004, 02:48 pm

But... they know better than you and they have the mighty GOOD INTENTIONS!

Comrade · May 24, 2004, 03:53 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by arclight,
Similar to busting drug users or other "crimes" which only hurt the individual,

Ever been to South America?

arclight · May 25, 2004, 01:13 pm

Indeed, I have. What does that have to do with a drug user only hurting him/herself? I am sure it is as self destructive there as it is anywhere?

Suburbanite · May 25, 2004, 01:20 pm

The seatbelt thing is for a whole bunch of states, not just Ohio. I am getting those commercials out here in SoCal. I think the money is going only to make these commercials to scare people into using seatbelts. The kind of propaganda that doesn't really hurt anyone. But you always got a ticket for driving without a seatbelt.

arclight · May 25, 2004, 01:37 pm

That is the same attitude that follows the slippery slope right into complete and utter loss of all rights. People do not, or should not need some govt propoganda campaign, regardless of its intentions. That is the liberal mindset, worry not about our results, only our intentions. The results will be, maybe a few ignorant people might buckle up and live, but the negative consequences, such as diverting police resources away from the high crime areas to patrol the suburban strip malls looking for "offenders" far outweigh the positives here. IMHO anyway

Leopard · May 25, 2004, 10:08 pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Suburbanite,
The kind of propaganda that doesn't really hurt anyone.

oh really? how much of my money do they take to make such 'propoganda'? Perhaps I have much better uses for it, like purchasing healthcare, or food, or a roof over my head. That kind of propoganda does indeed hurt - all of us.

michael

Milton Bradley · May 26, 2004, 12:22 am

Our government is little more than an organized crime family any more. Granted, they have a few more committees, however I see little difference after that.

PatrickHenry · May 26, 2004, 12:26 am

What establishes legitimacy in government? Force? or assent/consent? apathy on the part of the governed? Without legitimacy, government is just men with guns taking away your money...

Suburbanite · May 26, 2004, 03:16 am

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Originally posted by Leopard,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Leopard,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-Suburbanite,
The kind of propaganda that doesn't really hurt anyone.

oh really? how much of my money do they take to make such 'propoganda'? Perhaps I have much better uses for it, like purchasing healthcare, or food, or a roof over my head. That kind of propoganda does indeed hurt - all of us.

michael[/b][/quote]

That isn't a problem specific to this piece of propaganda. If the government were run more efficiently, it would be free.

Leopard · May 26, 2004, 11:54 am

Quote:

Originally posted by Suburbanite,

That isn't a problem specific to this piece of propaganda. If the government were run more efficiently, it would be free.

free? what in the world...

Government requires actions of humans, labor, and resources - it is simply impossible to have government or anything run 'free' - what you propose is some kind of perpetual motion machine - against all laws of nature.

Lava · May 26, 2004, 07:15 pm

On the one hand it looks as if there are better priorities than this for the money. But then, there is a steady toll of deaths and unnecessary injuries incurred by those too dim to belt up, so the adverts may save some lives, hence do provide some real value after all.

I havent seen the US ads btw.

Regards, Lava!

Jillamanda · May 26, 2004, 09:47 pm

Here in Victoria, Australia - speeding fines have become a huge issue. So much so that it will probably cost the State government the next election. The speed camera network in Melbourne has been disabled due to faulty readings, and the general consensus is that speeding fines are just a revenue collecting exercise for government. It's a mess, paid fines are being refunded and thousands of others caught up in the court system are in limbo....it's a big, big thing...

arclight · May 26, 2004, 11:51 pm

The local police here in Ohio went to great lengths today to make a hug show of force, with a nice photo- op with one of the Care flight helicopters and all that. Interesting thing though, there were two bank robberies and a murder this morning, abuot the time Dayton Police was holding a parade in the middle of a wednesday morning. How shameful, that they can get away with these incredibly irresponsible acts, and not be held accountable by the idiot population and the idiots they elect. Anyway, the police were there to respond to an accident right away, not caused by a seatbelt violation, but an old lady blocking the left passing lane, and causing the traffic flow to avoid her and thereby wrecking. Nice day ...

castille · Jun 5, 2004, 03:23 am

Let people speed. Then excute them if they cause death by speeding.

Problem solved.

Compugasm · Jun 7, 2004, 09:29 am

... in 1856 the U.S. Supreme Court declared that local law enforcement had no duty to protect a particular person, but only a general duty to enforce the laws. [South v. Maryland, 59 U.S. (HOW) 396,15 L.Ed., 433 (1856)]. The Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution gives you no right to police protection.

May 24, 2004, 02:07 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
arclight Molten Ash Posts: 53	Has anyone considered why there is no outrage over the waste and abuse of our police departments policies on law enforcement? Considering Ohio, there is a new program to target motorists who do not have their seatbelts on. The State patrol has spent god knows how much advertising this, and is obviously diverting resources to catch the evildoing non seatbelt wearing citizens. From my viewpoint, this is simply a backhanded tax. Similar to busting drug users or other "crimes" which only hurt the individual, police departments are rewarded for making these kind of busts. They recieve the money from the fines or confiscation of property. Are they rewarded for stopping a homeless junkie from attacking your grandma for money to buy some more heroin? I don't think so. If the police would back off the PC train a little, and protect the citizens who need to be protected and stop violent crimes when they can, instead of harrassing peopel who choose to risk their life and their life alone, we might have a little safer state. At least we have somewhat reestablished our rights to carry weapons again, so I can do my part. But, until citizens demand actual law enforcement from the police, and real, meaningful laws from the legislators, we will continue down the path where crime pays as much for the police as it does the criminal who gets away while the cops are giving out tickets to non- criminals. "Study the Constitution. Let it be preached from the pulpit, proclaimed in legislatures, and enforced in courts of justice." -- Abraham Lincoln

May 25, 2004, 01:13 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
arclight Molten Ash Posts: 53	Indeed, I have. What does that have to do with a drug user only hurting him/herself? I am sure it is as self destructive there as it is anywhere? "Study the Constitution. Let it be preached from the pulpit, proclaimed in legislatures, and enforced in courts of justice." -- Abraham Lincoln

May 25, 2004, 01:37 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
arclight Molten Ash Posts: 53	That is the same attitude that follows the slippery slope right into complete and utter loss of all rights. People do not, or should not need some govt propoganda campaign, regardless of its intentions. That is the liberal mindset, worry not about our results, only our intentions. The results will be, maybe a few ignorant people might buckle up and live, but the negative consequences, such as diverting police resources away from the high crime areas to patrol the suburban strip malls looking for "offenders" far outweigh the positives here. IMHO anyway "Study the Constitution. Let it be preached from the pulpit, proclaimed in legislatures, and enforced in courts of justice." -- Abraham Lincoln

May 26, 2004, 12:26 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,437	What establishes legitimacy in government? Force? or assent/consent? apathy on the part of the governed? Without legitimacy, government is just men with guns taking away your money... "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

May 26, 2004, 09:47 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
Jillamanda Sedimentary Rock Location: SE Australia - in the bush. Posts: 20	Here in Victoria, Australia - speeding fines have become a huge issue. So much so that it will probably cost the State government the next election. The speed camera network in Melbourne has been disabled due to faulty readings, and the general consensus is that speeding fines are just a revenue collecting exercise for government. It's a mess, paid fines are being refunded and thousands of others caught up in the court system are in limbo....it's a big, big thing... You'll love it - it looks just like a Telefunken U-47.

May 24, 2004, 02:48 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
KSoDBartman Guest Posts: n/a	But... they know better than you and they have the mighty GOOD INTENTIONS!

May 25, 2004, 01:20 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	The seatbelt thing is for a whole bunch of states, not just Ohio. I am getting those commercials out here in SoCal. I think the money is going only to make these commercials to scare people into using seatbelts. The kind of propaganda that doesn't really hurt anyone. But you always got a ticket for driving without a seatbelt.

May 26, 2004, 12:22 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
Milton Bradley BANNED Location: Ohio Province, Rep. of Comerica Posts: 7,320	Our government is little more than an organized crime family any more. Granted, they have a few more committees, however I see little difference after that.

May 26, 2004, 07:15 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
Lava Igneous Magma Posts: 716	On the one hand it looks as if there are better priorities than this for the money. But then, there is a steady toll of deaths and unnecessary injuries incurred by those too dim to belt up, so the adverts may save some lives, hence do provide some real value after all. I havent seen the US ads btw. Regards, Lava!

May 26, 2004, 11:51 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
arclight Molten Ash Posts: 53	The local police here in Ohio went to great lengths today to make a hug show of force, with a nice photo- op with one of the Care flight helicopters and all that. Interesting thing though, there were two bank robberies and a murder this morning, abuot the time Dayton Police was holding a parade in the middle of a wednesday morning. How shameful, that they can get away with these incredibly irresponsible acts, and not be held accountable by the idiot population and the idiots they elect. Anyway, the police were there to respond to an accident right away, not caused by a seatbelt violation, but an old lady blocking the left passing lane, and causing the traffic flow to avoid her and thereby wrecking. Nice day ... "Study the Constitution. Let it be preached from the pulpit, proclaimed in legislatures, and enforced in courts of justice." -- Abraham Lincoln

Jun 5, 2004, 03:23 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Let people speed. Then excute them if they cause death by speeding. Problem solved. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Jun 7, 2004, 09:29 am	#16 (permalink) (top)
Compugasm Son of X51 Location: San Diego Posts: 3,568	... in 1856 the U.S. Supreme Court declared that local law enforcement had no duty to protect a particular person, but only a general duty to enforce the laws. [South v. Maryland, 59 U.S. (HOW) 396,15 L.Ed., 433 (1856)]. The Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution gives you no right to police protection. I'd like to thank Charlie Hodge, bringing me scarves and water.