Prince Charles urges banning McDonald's food:

[Duke1985]

I'm sitting in my Joe Camel chair right now

[brien]

Healthcare. Perhaps not in the US but elsewhere. Even there it puts a strain on it. Unhealthy diets are linked to heart problems, cancers, blood pressure, digestive disorders, obesity etc etc the list is long.

Not only that but the industry including and supporting fast food restaurants is detrimental to the environment. A pure treat. Those who utilize fast foods as more then an occasional snack can develop psychological and physical problems above and beyond the normal.

Alternatives can be reached without deleting the choice. Governmental or social pressure can achieve this goal. Once alternatives are found, laws, whether social or governmental, allow for a quick and effective transmission.

I agree with one's ability to choose. I also agree, however, with the need for the collective to define its social and resulting governmental boundaries from time to time. This is achieved through education and sometimes laws. This is currently being achieved with the environmental issue.

You don't supply one FACT, FIGURE or STATISTIC to show how obesity is directly related to Mc Donalds. Unless you have them, everything you say is subjective here.

Unhealthy diets are linked to heart problems, cancers, blood pressure, digestive disorders, obesity etc etc the list is long.

So why don't you propose a new government agnecy called the fat police so they can prevent people from adopting unhealthy diets. Education is the key to a healthy population, not government regulation.

Not only that but the industry including and supporting fast food restaurants is detrimental to the environment

Ohhhkay. Another whopper(no pun intended). Let's see some facts, figures and statistics to prove this statement.

Those who utilize fast foods as more then an occasional snack can develop psychological and physical problems above and beyond the normal.

And so can people who don't eat fast food. So what's the point here?

I agree with one's ability to choose

This is your first sensible statement.

[The Bacon Guy]

Mhmm. Good idea. Taxing could be an efficient method for gov'ts who have healthcare systems. The problem goes beyond simple health though. It goes to affect everyone by means of environmental effects. If alternatives can be found to aid problems associated with obesity, heart disease, cancer etc and help us achieve a healthier environment to boot, it would mean applying serious pressures to McDs and the people who shop there. To come to a valuable solution is to do so. The problem lies with people's freedoms. Then again, banning a car because it is unsafe and emits too many toxins simply changes the product available not the consumer's freedom to choose.

So, whether it is solved through yet more taxation or better yet through abolition of public health, we agree that the argument of public health costs is void. So, your argument is that MacDonalds is in some way harming you through environmental impacts. So I know exactly where you're coming from, would you care to give some examples of how you or your property is directly affected by MacDonalds?

[brien]

Do you remember history? What happened when they tried that with alcohol again?? RIGHT people made their own. I would be PERFECTLY ok with everyone making their own hamburgers in their basements. I would prefer they did it in a kitchen,or even in the backyard on a BBQ (they are quite taste, and even *gasp* good for you like that) but hey, whatever floats your boat.



Yes, McDonalds food, because of what's in it. I am not saying we can't eat ground beef, cheese or bread anymore, but it's not like any of those things are really in a big mac anyway. And NO, not McDonalds themselves, their food. Like I said, if they can offer REAL food, i would support them 100%. It's unfortunate that the only way the will offer real food though is to force them to stop serving their junk.



The company, McDonalds, says it's not good for you. Why hasn't anyone listened?



I am sure that most people, like myself, who enjoy a big mac on occassion won't arm themselves to protect their right to have one. If you have enough sense about you to only eat mcdonalds in moderation, you have enough sense in you to realize there are other ways to treat yourself that don't involve mcdonalds.



Eclipse has done an excellent job (IMHO) of stating the problems a McDiet has on tax payers.

All of what you write is subjective bullshit. I have asked you three times to provide facts, statistics and figures to support your claim that obesity is directly related to Mc Donalds, and all you do is dance around the question, or even ignore it. Then you write someone else did you job for you. Probably because you can't hang Mc Donalds for obesity and the supposed drain on Healthcare dollars that you try and put over here. All of this is laughable.

Your attitude is typical of someone who makes statements with no facts to back them up. You have no credibility here whatsoever.

[brien]

Does anyone remember when this country jumped on Joe the Camel cigarette campaign because they said it was aimed at children.

Why is that we jump on Joe but say nothing about Ronald whom targets children too.

Let's face it we all know that the idea behind fun Ron is to get the little brats to kick and scream for a McMystery food.

We all know that a certain percentage of parents will cave in and stuff a McShutup into the little shit pot's mouth.

There was a rumor a long time ago that the burgers were made out of kangaroo meat.

Boetie; Give me a break. You are actually linking cigarettes, with all of their known carcinogens, to McDonalds food? Surely you are kidding here.

Furthermore, you are attacking advertising as well. Talk about slaying the messenger. Right, kill ol Ronald and everything goes away. Sure.

Parents have a responsibility to control their children and if it means denying them a second Big Mac, then so be it. If it means going once a week and not twice a week, so be it. It is their choice. Nobody is forcing this food down their gullets. Perhaps we should hire Nikkums, and people like him/her, to patrol the local Mc Donalds to prevent people from making irresponsible choices. Afterall, anyone who feeds their kids at Mc Donalds, surely musty be guilty of child abuse.:rolleyes:

I haven't eaten at Mc Donalds, or any place like it, in over 20 years. It is my choice but like free speech, I will defend the right to make this choice until the day I die. Those who disagree with the menu at McDonalds need to dine somewhere else, and leave those who do like the food there, alone.

[brien]

Eclipse write:

The problem lies with people's freedoms

Yeah right. Remove freedom(s) so you can impose your nanny state rules, regulations, taxes, fees, fines, and any other restriction you can think of in order to further your agenda. The problem lies in your nanny state solutions to impose your will upon the people's choice. The problem is your elitist attitude that fools you into thinking you have license to control other people to further your agenda.

There are a myriad of educational ways to teach people to adopt a healthy diet without using your draconian methods. Once again, MYOB.

What about my right to a healthy environment? It affects me, my family, my property and millions of others'.

What about it? How does McDonalds infringe upon your right to a healthy enviornment? I can't wait to hear this answer.

[brien]

Set a guideline and a deadline for McDs to clean up their act without forcing them out of business. This is what has been the process thus far.

It is the consumers who have influenced McDonalds to offer variety in their menu, not the government. Iti s an educated consumer that has influenced McDonalds to respond to what the consumer wants in a meal, not the government. The government never threatened McDonalds or bullied them into offering healthier choices in their restaurant.

Education and consumer influence is the key to regulating market forces in restaurants like McDonalds, not government.

[The Bacon Guy]

Just out of interest, can anyone tell me what the significance of Boetie's kangaroo meat comment was? Kangaroo is quite tasty.

[brien]

Just out of interest, can anyone tell me what the significance of Boetie's kangaroo meat comment was? Kangaroo is quite tasty.

BG I look at this comment as another cog in the bash McDonalds wheel. But it is obviously a ridiculous comment because, as you say, Kangaroo meat is quite tasty. Several years back, I remember a campaign to discredit McDonalds beef by charging it was really kangaroo meat. A thinly disguised effort to scare Americans away from their Big Macs.

I never cease to marvel at the amount of people who look toward government to solve all of the personal problems in society.

[Boetie]

Just out of interest, can anyone tell me what the significance of Boetie's kangaroo meat comment was? Kangaroo is quite tasty.

Where I come from nobody eats kangaroo meat and the sound of it sounds disgusting. To us in our part of the country we also say hot dogs is made out of pressed rats and dogs feet and I suppose you are going to wonder what the significance of the press rats and dogs feet was. If by any chance you do wonder then whatever gets you going, knock yourself out.

[The Bacon Guy]

I guess brien was right then. I have to wonder what part of the world you live in though; kangaroo meat is pretty common.

[Boetie]

I guess brien was right then. I have to wonder what part of the world you live in though; kangaroo meat is pretty common.

Kangaroo don't even exist where I live. Is your education that lacking that you can't seem to comprehend the fact that kangaroos aren't found in in every inch of the globe.

The other thing that should embarass you is how quick you applauded brien without even thinking. I can tell you one thing I have never applauded anyone before thinking.

As far as your thinking capacity goes one could say that lobster is pretty common but I wouldn't suggest that you go sit in the middle of the desert in Saudi Arabia and wait for a lobster to show up.