Make organ donation compulsory

[Gods_Mercenary]

Laws should be only against violations of other people's rights, not against omission of good actions.

[Osborn F Enready]

Gods Merc said: Laws should be only against violations of other people's rights, not against omission of good actions.

Good is a subjectively interpreted term, as is better and best.

[Gods_Mercenary]

sure, but Maybe is arguing that organ donation is good.

[Osborn F Enready]

Exactly, and using the subjective term "good" as a platform for removing rights to property is directly contradictive to many people, me included.

Its close mindedness in values being expressed subjectively, and is a intellectually dishonest tactic to smear the opposition without saying so.

[Maybe-not]

Are you not responceable for murder, if you chose to remove the mean of cure?

[Gods_Mercenary]

No, a murderer kills a person, a selfish jerk removes the cure. If I have an antidote, but choose not to give it to a dying person, I'm just an idiot jerk bastard, you can't legislate against that.

[Osborn F Enready]

Maybe Not said: Are you not responceable for murder, if you chose to remove the mean of cure?

Of course not, if I own the means.

[Maybe-not]

The means, are in my opinon, the property of the people. Not just the ones who have it, but the ones who need it. Right to own something, for its own sake, leads to nothing good.

[pikatore]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Damn skippy. You own it, and you transfer that ownership on death to your loved ones. They either do as you request, or don't.(although if they wouldn't, are they "loved ones"?)

So because my loved ones own then own it, they have the right to override what I thought when I was alive. Right?

[Maybe-not]

Quote by: pikatore So because my loved ones own then own it, they have the right to override what I thought when I was alive. Right?

Bad idea, right?

[nilan3000]

Quote by: Maybe-not Naturaly we should take a dead persons organs. It isn't like he will need them anyways. The whole "The dead body is sacred" feeling we have, steams from religion, the made-up childrens storyes we are told, to keep us docile. After all, if you belive you will be rewarded in heaven, what is the point of ressisting oppresion?

Show me one piece of convincng evidence that says a dead man does NOT need his organs. It might be good for his soul to rest in peace, it might be good for his stay in heaven, it might help him get a few extra chicks up there, or he might suffer for the rest of eternity because he has no organs in his afterlife.

I dont beleive in any of the above mumbo-jumbo but most people do. You cannot prove them wrong in a convincing manner. You claim the dead person doesnt need the organs anyway, can you prove it? Right now, we cant prove either side, thus it has to be up to the person who is the owner of the organs to make that choice.

[Maybe-not]

Quote by: nilan3000 Show me one piece of convincng evidence that says a dead man does NOT need his organs. It might be good for his soul to rest in peace, it might be good for his stay in heaven, it might help him get a few extra chicks up there, or he might suffer for the rest of eternity because he has no organs in his afterlife. I dont beleive in any of the above mumbo-jumbo but most people do. You cannot prove them wrong in a convincing manner. You claim the dead person doesnt need the organs anyway, can you prove it? Right now, we cant prove either side, thus it has to be up to the person who is the owner of the organs to make that choice.

But what when the body decays?
There is no proff he will need it, but every proff life has deserted the body.

[Gods_Mercenary]

What if he needs his organs until the body decays? Are you gonna deny him his right to a happy afterlife just so you can delay somebody else's?

[JazzFunk]

Quote by: nilan3000 Show me one piece of convincng evidence that says a dead man does NOT need his organs. It might be good for his soul to rest in peace, it might be good for his stay in heaven, it might help him get a few extra chicks up there, or he might suffer for the rest of eternity because he has no organs in his afterlife. I dont beleive in any of the above mumbo-jumbo but most people do. You cannot prove them wrong in a convincing manner. You claim the dead person doesnt need the organs anyway, can you prove it? Right now, we cant prove either side, thus it has to be up to the person who is the owner of the organs to make that choice.

I thought the body and soul were two separate forms of mankind and that once man dies his soul leaves from his flesh for eternity. Can you please tell me how organs will assist in the afterlife, and which religions believe so?

Sidenote: Most major religions are in favour of organ donation.
Proof: The Gift of a Lifetime: Religion and Organ Donation
Religious perspectives on organ donation

[Osborn F Enready]

Maybe not said: The means, are in my opinon, the property of the people. Not just the ones who have it, but the ones who need it. Right to own something, for its own sake, leads to nothing good.

According to YOU.

Your theory falls apart when you try to take MY property, because it would cause YOU to die, since I defend my property. See how it doesn't apply to reality?

Why not cut out the middle man, and dedicate your organs now, before your rights violations force people to kill you?

You have an unrealistic view of the natural world, and human nature. That is why communism and socialism fail. They are ignorant of factually obtainable trends, statistics and INFORMATION, because their "dictators" limit their ability to learn, and reason, via propaganda, using force.

Pikatore said: So because my loved ones own then own it, they have the right to override what I thought when I was alive. Right?

That is an individual choice, if they wish to discredit the faith placed in them by their loved ones.

I don't care if you sell out your parents wishes for their corpses, I'll bet they would be proud of you..... :rolleyes:

[Osborn F Enready]

JazzFunk said: I thought the body and soul were two separate forms of mankind and that once man dies his soul leaves from his flesh for eternity. Can you please tell me how organs will assist in the afterlife, and which religions believe so?

AS if it were fact.....

I am non-religious, so for me, it is simply property rights at question.

[pikatore]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready You have an unrealistic view of the natural world, and human nature. That is why communism and socialism fail. They are ignorant of factually obtainable trends, statistics and INFORMATION, because their "dictators" limit their ability to learn, and reason, via propaganda, using force.

I think your political views place too much of a bearing on how you see things. It's never about morals, economics, etc. It's always rights rights rights, and 'if you try to nick my things ill blow you away' ramble.

For example.

It's a person's 'right' to do whatever they want to thier own body, correct?

So why are some substances banned then? Is it a gross violation of our rights? Or not so much? Is there a grey area with you?

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Maybe-not Yes, just take them, or stop teaching people that kind of values. Teach them to think of their fellow citizen, and fellow humans, and stop telling them "greed is the way of the human". That is just bullshit. Humans live to reproduce, and make decent lives for yourselves, not to wacht numbers grow in your bank accounts.

Hmm.

What do you have that I may take from you?

You should share, you know, otherwise you're just a selfish person who should be killed, then we'll harvest your organs...

[JazzFunk]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready AS if it were fact..... I am non-religious, so for me, it is simply property rights at question.

If not seen from a religious perspective how else would compulsory organ donations effect the dead? what would a dead person or family have possible use for extra organs?

Isn't it better to use something for good, then to let it rot to waste?

[nilan3000]

Quote by: JazzFunk I thought the body and soul were two separate forms of mankind and that once man dies his soul leaves from his flesh for eternity. Can you please tell me how organs will assist in the afterlife, and which religions believe so?

It does not have to be said in any 'major' religion for a person to have superstitious beleifs in it. Like I said earlier, I have no such superstitions, but I still recognise the need for understanding the beleifs of those who do.