Sperm of dead Israeli soldier to be used by woman:

[Praxius]

CTV.ca | Sperm of dead Israeli soldier to be used by woman

In a precedent-setting decision, an Israeli court has ruled that a dead soldier's family can have his sperm impregnated into the body of a woman he never met. Keivan Cohen, 20, was shot dead in 2002 by a Palestinian sniper in the Gaza Strip. He was single and left no will. But at the urging of his parents, a sample of his sperm was taken two hours after his death and has been stored in a hospital since.

I don't know.... to me, this kinda sounds a bit wrong. They say he wanted to have kids someday, prior to his death, but who is to say he would just let any woman to have his kid? What if he was alive and hated the living hell out of her.... but now she's having his kid?

I don't think it is something that I would want done to me.

He wanted a family, but did he want it this way?

[Lotharia]

He couldn't care less. He's dead.

[Praxius]

true, but isn't that kinda along the same lines as someone taking your organs from your body after you die, without permission?

[nilan3000]

actually, it is his family's decision to use his sperm on the woman. now i accept that the family does not always know what his true intentions were, but if it was something that they are willing to fight for, i would give them the benefit of the doubt. now that he is dead, who else can turn to for his intentions apart from his family? granted, not in every case will this be the best solution, but in general circumstances, i feel the dead man's family is a better judge of what he intended than any of us.

[Lotharia]

"...but isn't that kinda along the same lines as someone taking your organs from your body after you die, without permission?"

Yes it is. And that would also be a good thing, IMO. Horribly wasteful not to.

[Sbh052]

That is the most disgusting thing I have ever heard. I cannot imagine doing that to someone, nevermind having that done to me, if I was a male. I do not believe that should be legal.

[nilan3000]

It was he wanted and what many soldiers are requesting these days. Calling it disgusting is not taking their situation into perspective. They are much better judges of what should be done with THEIR sperm than you.

[Sbh052]

In my opinion taking sperm out of a corpse is almost like that women is a necrophiliac.

[Sbh052]

Sorry, I posted my message twice.

[nilan3000]

technological advances have drastically changed ways in which humans can reproduce with each other. sticking to your old fashioned mentality would be your loss, not theirs.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Lotharia "...but isn't that kinda along the same lines as someone taking your organs from your body after you die, without permission?" Yes it is. And that would also be a good thing, IMO. Horribly wasteful not to.

Horribly wasteful? It's called natural selection. If you can't survive on the things your were born with, and you take someone else's blood or organs, you're just cheating death.

I swear if someone takes my organs after I die, I'll haunt their ass until they die.

You're just prolonging over population against natural selection and those who should have died, don't.

Is this thinking cold hearted? I don't know..... it depends on what you feel is worse.

If people are willing to donate their organs and blood and others will take it, then so be it, but don't start harvesting corpses without permission of the person being harvested...... that's sick and disrespectful.

It was he wanted and what many soldiers are requesting these days. Calling it disgusting is not taking their situation into perspective. They are much better judges of what should be done with THEIR sperm than you.

But the soldier didn't request this, his parents did, after he died. He did not request it directly that he would want this done. He said he wanted a family eventually..... which to me means he wanted to be a part of that family, not be a donor to some other family he's never met before.

[nilan3000]

Yes but what we have to see is what he would have intended and his family is the best judge of that. They know what he wouldve wanted more than the rest of us.

And as for donation of organs and stuff, if it is removed from one man's body and used to end another's suffering, why stop it? What in hell (no pun intended) is a dead man going to do with his organs anyway?

[Lotharia]

"It's called natural selection. If you can't survive on the things your were born with, and you take someone else's blood or organs, you're just cheating death."

I'm thinking you must not use penicillin either. Wouldn't want to cheat death. Don't you realize that death ALWAYS wins in the end? Most of the time it's a real GOOD thing to put that off a while if possible, don't you think?

[Praxius]

Quote by: nilan3000 And as for donation of organs and stuff, if it is removed from one man's body and used to end another's suffering, why stop it? What in hell (no pun intended) is a dead man going to do with his organs anyway?

Myself personally (Not trying to impose my beliefs on anyone here) I feel that if I die, my entire body should die with me..... if I have an organ or body part still alive after my death, my atoms and energy is still alive, and I wouldn't be completely at peace, being both alive and dead. It would be the blood of the new body going through them, but it's still my DNA being kept alive.

If I'm gonna die, then let me die completely.

I'm thinking you must not use penicillin either. Wouldn't want to cheat death. Don't you realize that death ALWAYS wins in the end? Most of the time it's a real GOOD thing to put that off a while if possible, don't you think?

Nope, I don't use it..... nor do I use anything for my colds of flus. I do not donate blood, nor would I accept a blood transfusion. I let my immune system take care of me, and any alternate narcotics to influence my body (Medically) would lower my immune system's strength.

This is the case with Antibiotics and how continually using them produces stronger resistance from infections and viruses over time. They're a quick fix for the time being but in the end, they will weaken your ability to fight off what you need to.

Death does always win in the end, and I accepted this. When it is my time to go I will go.

I suppose I should explain my method of madness here:

I come from a family that is strong in Roman Catholic upbringing. They have a nack for not looking towards suicide or assisted suicide, and the prolonging of one's life. My grandmother was having a slow stroke for about a week but never told anybody about it, because she didn't want to be stuck in a hospital for the rest of her days, and I didn't blame her. When my grandfather finally noticed something was terribly wrong he took her to the hospital, where she was put on life support for about two weeks. She couldn't talk because of the tubes in her mouth, and all she could do was look at us, move her hands and everytime she did, she was told to rest and relax.... so she just gave up trying to communicate and just waited.

Eventually after two weeks of suffering like this, they decided to take her off the life support and see if she can come out of it..... she didn't and she died shortly after. I didn't have the heart to tell my family her wishes, I could see it in her eyes, but my family cared too much.

My grandfather on the other side of my family knew he didn't want that to happen to him when his time came. He had a similar situation. He had 3 strokes before and he knew the fourth would do him in, or put him in a hospital for the rest of his days. When he felt it coming on, he took the family out to the lake and to the camp that he built with his own hands. My grandmother noticed something was up, but he kept quiet.

When everyone was busy, he walked deep into the woods and lied down to die, in the place he loved the most. I think it was either my cousin or my aunt who found him..... but he died the way he wanted.

Myself, I want to do the same. When my time comes, I will embrace it. I do not want to cheat my death, because my death will be the finishing line of my life and my legacy. What I have experienced in my life, I will take with me where ever I go. I have no regrets. My life hasn't been the easiest, or the best in the world, nor has it been the most horrid and shitty. It is my life and I accept what comes my way. My life is like no one else's.

I want to live a pure life, and I want to have a pure death. If I get into an accident, I will fight for my life, but I will let my body and mind fight it, not some assisted machine or operation that will cheat me out of my "Natural Life"

Weither my reasoning is flawed or not, it is how I live.

[Sbh052]

Quote by: nilan3000 technological advances have drastically changed ways in which humans can reproduce with each other. sticking to your old fashioned mentality would be your loss, not theirs.

Um. Yes, thank you for trying to put my way of thinking down.
You do realize that it doesn't hurt me, because I am an adult, and I go and work a job, and I am intitled to think what I want.

[Lotharia]

Broken leg - no cast? Lacerated arm - no bandage? Severed artery - no tourniquet?

All I can say is, it seems a bit wasteful to have a brain and not use it.

[Praxius]

Quote by: Lotharia Broken leg - no cast? Lacerated arm - no bandage? Severed artery - no tourniquet? All I can say is, it seems a bit wasteful to have a brain and not use it.

What is it? Completely one way or another with you? :confused:

I broke a bone before.... I let it heal naturally.... works find now.

If I cut myself or start bleeding, or break something dramatically, I will use my first aid abilities and knowledge to stop the bleeding and bandage it up..... that's not the same as taking someone else's organs and blood to keep myself alive, or using artificial medicine to make things better.

I never said I would let someone hack me with an axe and just stand there waiting for death.

Try not to over generalize please.

[nilan3000]

Quote by: Sbh052 Um. Yes, thank you for trying to put my way of thinking down. You do realize that it doesn't hurt me, because I am an adult, and I go and work a job, and I am intitled to think what I want.

If it sounded like a personal attack on you, I apologize and retract that statement. I am an adult and I have a job too.

[Sbh052]

Thank you, becuase that is what it sounded like.
And I know that you have a job, and that you are an adult as well. I am sorry for bringing those things up, as well.

[Nurf]

If there's one thing i would want done if I died earlier than expected, it would be to leave my legacy on Earth, a kid.