Why do I get this awkward feeling it's an all-bloke discussion here.
All this abstract morality stuff, all this sanctified life stuff. You got to have a penis to discuss about children that way. It's not like men are volunteering to take most of the caring for children. So why can't they just be a little more screamerish on a topic like this?
Boys, you're acting like hysterical women with all your non-sequiturs. As if you're really interested in the subject other than as a way to show off verbal muscle and as far as verbal muscle goes - I've yet to see something that turns me on :)
Women get pregnant when they shouldn't. You'll all be assuming that if the women then give birth, they should be responsible for their children. You won't be giving a bit of your own time, you won't be happy to pay more taxes for it; now will you. It may befall your grace to argue that the men should also be co-responsible, but, in the end, you won't go to very great lengths to implement that responsibility. Better you don't because it's wholly impracticable.
There we have our little mother with her endearing little child. If the mother is rich maybe things can turn out well for the poo-poo-you-little-baby and that is probably fair enough for many of you because the mother was anyway either stupid or very sinful and in any case shouldn't whine about it too much.
But then again, unfortunately the majority of these mothers aren't very rich. When they were, they would be less probable to forget anticonception and less probable to be impressed by the pope's ban on anticonception. The majority of this majority will also not get very rich because, you know what, higher education isn't quite the easiest thing to do with a toddler on your hands.
Poor mother, poor baby. Because you sure as hell do not want to spend much tax on these poor little bastards, now do you.
Oh what fun it is to fly the flag of principle over these poor little people in all their misery. Ask the poor little bastards, check suicide & criminal statistics of the poor little bastards.
Choke in your own principles instead of making others swallow them.
And they say females are more caring,
not this one thats for sure.
And get your silly head out of all those feminist hate books on how you think men behave, unless your one yourself you really havent got a clue.
We care just as much about child issues as women do( ones that place importance on defenceless human beings not being slaughtered for the sake of convienience that is, not you).
Abortion is a right thats true, but these days, and for some time now its been treated more as a rubbish tip.
abstract morality? uhm ok. what sort of backwards ass term is that? or "sanctified life" -- "you've got to have a penis to discuss about children that way" -- wtf.. no you have to be a goddamn human. and what does 'screamerish' mean?
you're the one trying to show off retarded words, not us.
I think someones really pissed off because they can't get any.
Agnes Ostic, you offer a hate-dripping screed aimed at men (your preferences appear to color your perspective an ugly shade of bitter), implying all sorts of false assumptions you've become comfortable with (because they support your chosen hateful perspective) in order to argue that serial killing is the solution that best suits the realities. Your voice has merely joined the likes of Kate Michelman, Barbara Boxer, Tom Harkin, Teddy Kennedy, Howard Dean, bill clinton, Dennis Kucinich, Al Sharpton and others who dehumanize the prenatal alive individual human beings in order to champion killing them as a means of 'birth control'. Notice how many of your champions for killing the unborn are men? Yeah, you've a big bias!
If you represent today's feminist mystique, it's no wonder women are turning away from the NOW and NARAL ghouls and agreeing with the Feminist For Life Ladies like Pat Heaton, Kathy Ireland, and Jennifer O'Neil. Those Ladies don't insist on the ghoulish slaughter rites as a badge of feminism like you are championing. That really gets to you doesn't it ... that there are feminists who don't glory in killing unborn babies thus exposing your brand of the movement for the ghouls you are!
Use of emotive language to illicit a desired response + vapid generalisations + personal attacks + strawman representations of the opposite arguments to your own = appalling debating.
Well done, you've made us all more stupid for reading this.
Oh deary me, it´s like pressing a button on a little teeny-weeny toy & getting that old predictable tune.
You are way too much for me brethren. I will go back to my little kitchen in a little while but please preach to me some more first, ye fine men of spirit.
So y´all (sorry, the Southern accent seems befitting, one needs always to be a bit forthcoming to one´s audience) do not dispute that rotten faith of all the poor little bastards, as I described.
So what did YOU do to alleviate the suffering that came from such highfalutin´ act of morally right behaviour? Did y´all offer to pay more taxes to care for them and for these fine women that did the right thing? Did y´all change the diapers? Feed a little bastard? Cared for him? Picked up tuition fees for the mother such that she´d have a better chance of paying the bastard´s tuition fees such that the bastard is a wee less likely to beget more bastards?
Now did you?
Or do you just prefer to verbally come over and over again on the kick of knowing what is right without feeling what are the consequences?
Ah yes, don´t assume too readily based on a pseudonym what kind of person is it hiding behind the pseudonym. Also, no, I ain´t getting any - I prefer to give & yes I did give a lot lately.
Dear Twoshanks, could you be a bit more explicit on what it is with which I caused you so much pain. I believe the actual people impacted by banning abortion are of some relevance to the debate. Agnes
Nice try at ridicule, agnes. You don't have the stuff it takes to do a good, a really good job of it though.
[Incidentally, my stepdaughter turned up pregnant and would not tell us whom to contact. Rather than push an abortion, we have chosen to welcome the little one--our close relative. His name is Baylor Bradley, and he's a blessing to us all even in the massive changes due to his arrival. That is affirming life rather than using a serial killer to alleviate the 'inconveneinces'. You are one biotter puppy, agnes. Are TUMS or Digel your favorite candy for the bitterness?]
It is a spectacle to witness bitter people championing the killing of alive individual prenatals as the enlightened way to address 'unwanted' pregnancies. Ghoulish infact. So it isn't sophisticated to try and ridicule your way past that which you have only empty cliches to address.
Well, step right up here, twoshanks, and prove your own axiom of irrelevance by taking the trouble of posting an irrelevancy! How did your so important post add anything to the discussion? It didn't, but it apparently served your ego to condescend for us. You sad, hollow thing you. Have you any opinion or factual material to add to the discussion regarding abortion in America?
I think some of us are forgetting here why abortion is legal in the first place. Abortion is legal because the Supreme Court ruled it was a matter of body and personal privacy over religious or moral views. To make abortion illegal would be overstepping bounds by the many (the country, or government rather) regulating the control of any one woman to make decisions regarding her own body. More or less, the woman comes first before the baby, so at conception it is the woman's choice if she wishes her body to go through with the pregnancy or not. Morality has nothing to do with it at all, it’s a matter of rights concerning body and putting those rights over morality. These are after all the Jeffersonian principles that our country was founded on.
In my opinion, "life" does not begin until the beginning of the third trimester, when the fetus is developing fully into a baby with a functioning brain. Most abortions however take place during the first trimester, when a fetus is forming and has not yet developed any real brain or limbs. So unless you believe in life upon conception due to religious views, the "life" of a baby doesn't really begin until sometime into the third trimester from a scientific perspective. Which, abortion has been illegalized to be carried on recently in the first place, if I recall correctly.
Abortion also offers closure. Many act like it is so easy for a woman to go through several months of pregnancy, only to give up what has developed into her own child, to complete strangers. Would you want to give up your own child? Would you want to live knowing that child may not ever have a family, may go hungry, may not have a life worth living at all? Personally, if I was in such a situation, I would rather choose to abort a fetus before it develops into anything rather than remember giving up that baby and being tortured with that every day of my life. Before you say adoption is everybody's option, I think you should have a child for yourself and see if you would choose to give it up in that scenario.
Honestly, this is all blind to circumstance. Abortion costs money and likewise it is a dangerous procedure. Whether a woman chooses abortion or adoption, BOTH are emotionally wrenching decisions to make. They are also personal decisions to make. Try to think if you would be in the situation right now to stop working for several months and care for a child - alone. Try to think if you would be able to give up your child to an absolute stranger not knowing what would happen to them. Then think if you wouldn’t choose to instead undergo an abortion before that blob of cells began to develop into much of anything.
Everyone has different philosophies on life and nobody has the right to dictate another person's or regulate it for them. Especially when lifestyles and circumstances vary so greatly. Stop being so egocentric and judging the lives and circumstances of so many women who's stories and reasons you don't even know.
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