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Poledancer · Jan 5, 2007, 10:07 am

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Ashley was dealt a challenging life and the least that we could do as her caregivers is to be diligent about maximising her quality of life. The decision to move forward with the 'Ashley Treatment' was not a difficult one for us as most seem to think.

BBC NEWS | Health | 'Frozen girl' debate

Your thoughts?

PatrickHenry · Jan 5, 2007, 01:10 pm

I think it's appropriate, Poledancer.

This person won't be reproducing anyway. Why should she undergo the full maturation process, with the attendant physical stress?

And forethought in the care for her is necessary anyway. If she is not to be euthanized, why shouldn't she be rendered an easier charge to care for?

As an aside, while I don't argue for euthansia, I have some sympathy for the argument. Especially in cases like this when the individual will never be productive...

Osborn F Enready · Jan 5, 2007, 02:11 pm

I am really up in the air over this one.

I do think it is better though, if there is chace for err, to err on the side of individual rights of the parents, realizing that the rights of the child will never be fully realized, or exercised.

Pats answer is very on the mark of where I tentatively stand on this, but as I said, tough situation for all involved.

I think my position will solidify as I learn more about the full scope of the case.

Poledancer · Jan 5, 2007, 02:19 pm

I have looked after a new born baby before but have been lucky enough to never have had to give 24 hour care to a dependent adult. I have seen people in nursing homes and how hard it is for the nurses to care for them properly.

The baby is definitely easier to care for than a 12 stone kicking, screaming, biting, incontinent adult .

I do not think it makes it morally right to do this however, and I find it difficult to believe that in a first world country like UK or USA ( as someone said in the BBC) , with it's advances in social and healtcare, that the parents could not have gotten more support.

Osborn F Enready · Jan 5, 2007, 02:23 pm

Well, what type of support?

Poledancer · Jan 5, 2007, 02:27 pm

24 hour a day carers at home, more financial support for equipment etc.

Perhaps if they were fully supported in this way, they could have cared for her with an adult body?

Osborn F Enready · Jan 5, 2007, 02:36 pm

Perhaps, if the family and friends of this family were willing to donate their time and money, this would happen.

There is nothing free in life.

Its not the governments or the taxpayers responsibility, and it would be theft to do so with taxpayers money.

Praxius · Jan 5, 2007, 03:30 pm

Survival of the fittest as I see it.

Compugasm · Jan 6, 2007, 03:58 am

'Ashley Treatment' sounds like a good idea. I doubt she would've lived long 200yrs ago. It's because of technology that allows her to be kept alive to begin with.

Jan 5, 2007, 01:10 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,437	I think it's appropriate, Poledancer. This person won't be reproducing anyway. Why should she undergo the full maturation process, with the attendant physical stress? And forethought in the care for her is necessary anyway. If she is not to be euthanized, why shouldn't she be rendered an easier charge to care for? As an aside, while I don't argue for euthansia, I have some sympathy for the argument. Especially in cases like this when the individual will never be productive... "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Jan 5, 2007, 02:11 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	I am really up in the air over this one. I do think it is better though, if there is chace for err, to err on the side of individual rights of the parents, realizing that the rights of the child will never be fully realized, or exercised. Pats answer is very on the mark of where I tentatively stand on this, but as I said, tough situation for all involved. I think my position will solidify as I learn more about the full scope of the case. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Jan 5, 2007, 02:23 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	Well, what type of support? Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Jan 5, 2007, 02:36 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	Perhaps, if the family and friends of this family were willing to donate their time and money, this would happen. There is nothing free in life. Its not the governments or the taxpayers responsibility, and it would be theft to do so with taxpayers money. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Jan 6, 2007, 03:58 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
Compugasm Son of X51 Location: San Diego Posts: 3,568	'Ashley Treatment' sounds like a good idea. I doubt she would've lived long 200yrs ago. It's because of technology that allows her to be kept alive to begin with. I'd like to thank Charlie Hodge, bringing me scarves and water.

Jan 5, 2007, 02:19 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Poledancer Molten Ash Posts: 58	I have looked after a new born baby before but have been lucky enough to never have had to give 24 hour care to a dependent adult. I have seen people in nursing homes and how hard it is for the nurses to care for them properly. The baby is definitely easier to care for than a 12 stone kicking, screaming, biting, incontinent adult . I do not think it makes it morally right to do this however, and I find it difficult to believe that in a first world country like UK or USA ( as someone said in the BBC) , with it's advances in social and healtcare, that the parents could not have gotten more support.

Jan 5, 2007, 02:27 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
Poledancer Molten Ash Posts: 58	24 hour a day carers at home, more financial support for equipment etc. Perhaps if they were fully supported in this way, they could have cared for her with an adult body?

Jan 5, 2007, 03:30 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Praxius Mass'Debator Posts: 4,723	Survival of the fittest as I see it.