what is up with gays?

i once defended gays quite heartily, and i still agree with giving them freedom and accepting them. but i was unfortunate enough to be accidentally shown a few seconds of homosexual porn by my bisexual friend in mixed company. it was disgusting and it haunted my mind for days. i want to be protected from seeing such things as i find them threatening and vomitous.

i know it does happen and i am not going to stop it but it's so wrong in so many ways. i will never look at gays the same way again. lesbians are still fairly untainted tho.

domestic partnerships with equal treatment under the law will adequately suffice in this situation. gay marraige is not necessary.

beyond that topic, why has america had such a hard-on for gays since like 1970? it's just not funny. drop the subject from media and public attention, i have no interest in emphasizing their existence any more than already has been.

Bob,

The explosion of 'gayness' in the media is due to the homosexual liberation movement. It has a lot to do with population control. Henry Makow has some great articles on the subject. savethemales.ca

You can send him an e-mail at: henry@savethemales.ca

Also, Dr. Monteith of Radio Liberty was deeply in the early years of the AIDS epidemic. He has a good handle on the subject.

i am all for homosexual liberation, from whatever strife or oppression they may be suffering, but that doesn't make the topic any less averse. 'population control' is a secondary problem, and unless they are recruiting gays, which they are not, it will have no effect. if anything nations like america are dealing with issues of declining fertility.

aids is no longer merely a homosexual issue.

[Mr.Vicchio]

Teh militant gay agenda is the problem. I know a goodly number of quiet gays. They don't go to marches, they don't feel oppressed, they think the gay marriage thing is going to come back and hurt them.

They want to be treated fairly, and left to live life thier way, but the militants try and force thier lifestyle down the rest of the worlds throats.

Thats the real problem.

[white rice]

What gays do is their business as long as they keep it their business.

Originally posted by StoneWT, Bob, The explosion of 'gayness' in the media is due to the homosexual liberation movement. It has a lot to do with population control. Henry Makow has some great articles on the subject. savethemales.ca

Man, that dude in the link needs to be neutered. Population growth in the Industrial world is already controlled and doesn't need homosexuality to control it. By 2050, the population of Western Europe will be lower than today and if it weren't for immigration US would face stagnant population growth.

Countries like Africa and Asia don't have these particular rainbow movements and are most likely less culturally inclined to embrace them.

In generous estimates, the population will cap at around 9-10 billion and gradually stabilize or decline after that period's next century.

[Gorgo]

Teh militant black agenda is the problem. I know a goodly number of quiet blacks. They don't go to marches, they don't feel oppressed, they think the equality thing is going to come back and hurt them.

They want to be treated fairly, and left to live life thier way, but the militants try and force thier lifestyle down the rest of the worlds throats.

Thats the real problem.

[Mia]

Originally posted by StoneWT, Bob, The explosion of 'gayness' in the media is due to the homosexual liberation movement. It has a lot to do with population control. Henry Makow has some great articles on the subject. savethemales.ca You can send him an e-mail at: henry@savethemales.ca Also, Dr. Monteith of Radio Liberty was deeply in the early years of the AIDS epidemic. He has a good handle on the subject.

The Will and Grace effect is the humanizing of gays. Watch Philadelphia with Tom Hanks and tell me you don't want equal rights for gays. Have your child end up being gay and come back against them.

Bob, separate but equal was tried with blacks. Didn't work.

*Sigh*

Perhaps expecting people to actually search for a relevant article on the site was too much. Of course, some people enjoy not reading a site and making comments about it.

Bob,

HIV was helped to spread due to the bathhouses and queer 'leaders' wanting the epidemic treated like a civil rights issue instead of as a public health issue.

[italiangm]

Originally posted by StoneWT HIV was helped to spread due to the bathhouses and queer 'leaders' wanting the epidemic treated like a civil rights issue instead of as a public health issue.

When HIV was known as GRID, local epidemiologists didn't know why gay men and those using blood products were suddenly showing up with mysterious diseases usually affecting the immunosuppressed and elderly mediterranean men. They suspected an infectious agent but had no clues about how it was transmitted.

Meanwhile, rumors of Gay Plague and Gay Cancer had hit the streets. After years of oppression, the gay community felt this was just another tactic used by homophobes to knock back civil rights advances.

By the time the first warnings of likely transmission routes became public, people had already been infected two to seven years prior to presenting with symptoms. An HIV test did not yet exist. And when it did, there were no treatments. The results of HIV tests became an excuse to deny housing, medical care, and benefits.

Now, if you REALLY care to see how well the gay community responded after the news was realistically disseminated, go to the CDC's website and review how new HIV infection rates dropped under the category of 'men who have sex with men' from 1979 thru today.

[italiangm]

Originally posted by Bob_Dobbs, i once defended gays quite heartily, and i still agree with giving them freedom and accepting them. but i was unfortunate enough to be accidentally shown a few seconds of homosexual porn by my bisexual friend in mixed company. it was disgusting and it haunted my mind for days. i want to be protected from seeing such things as i find them threatening and vomitous. i know it does happen and i am not going to stop it but it's so wrong in so many ways. i will never look at gays the same way again. lesbians are still fairly untainted tho.

Threatening?? LOL!!

Gay people put up with hetero porn day in and day out. It's everywhere.

Oh well. Thanx for the laugh! Made my day! :)

[Mia]

Originally posted by StoneWT, *Sigh* Perhaps expecting people to actually search for a relevant article on the site was too much. Of course, some people enjoy not reading a site and making comments about it. Bob, HIV was helped to spread due to the bathhouses and queer 'leaders' wanting the epidemic treated like a civil rights issue instead of as a public health issue.

sorry - I didn't read the article. I was responding to what you said.

[Suburbanite]

The problem, in my mind, with homosexuality is that it is a product of a twisted and violent society. I believe wholeheartedly that homosexuality is not genetic, the notion is ridiculous, nor is it a deliberate choice. However, it is mental (And Bob has heard this argument before). It is a product of early childhoods, or in rare cases later in life experiences. And it isn't caused by happy faces and flowers, but by acts of physical abuse, sexual molestation or rape, and other violent acts. An overwhelming majority of homosexuals have experiences some physical or sexual trauma in their early childhood or later life experience or in some cases reacted to even verbal violence and molestation (though rarer). So homosexuals, while they should not be mistreated (legally or otherwise), homosexuality should be prevented and most homosexuals don’t like that notion. It is hard to except I am sure.

[damnrad]

Originally posted by Bob_Dobbs, i once defended gays quite heartily, and i still agree with giving them freedom and accepting them. but i was unfortunate enough to be accidentally shown a few seconds of homosexual porn by my bisexual friend in mixed company. it was disgusting and it haunted my mind for days. i want to be protected from seeing such things as i find them threatening and vomitous. i know it does happen and i am not going to stop it but it's so wrong in so many ways. i will never look at gays the same way again. lesbians are still fairly untainted tho. domestic partnerships with equal treatment under the law will adequately suffice in this situation. gay marraige is not necessary. beyond that topic, why has america had such a hard-on for gays since like 1970? it's just not funny. drop the subject from media and public attention, i have no interest in emphasizing their existence any more than already has been.

Your reactions to certain sexual practices are yours -- part of your sexual and cultural orientation. Not just sexual orientation alone, but also cultural -- many heterosexuals in cultures throughout the world would no doubt find just as disgusting some heterosexual practices common in the U.S., and perhaps accepted and/or practiced by you yourself. For that matter, there are likely heterosexual practices undertaken within state-sanctioned marriages that you might personally find abhorrent.

The question is why should your abhorrence of certain practices cause you to deny marriage to gays. Why draw the line at marriage? If you have no problem with gays practicing in private, why not allow such practice to occur in private within the institution of marriage? For that matter, if your abhorrance of certain practices causes you to want to withhold marriage, and if you have no problem with lesbian practices, then why not allow lesbians to marry but not gay males?

But where it really hits is in the concept of discrimination under cover of state power. My argument is that the state should either sanction marriage for couples of all compositions or sanction only civil unions for all. In the latter case, marriage would no longer be a state concept, and allowed to be a religious or community concept. I could support either, because both approaches would be even-handed. The advantage of the latter is that religions that consider marriage to be a sacrament or otherwise divinely-inspired as a heterosexual union could practice to their heart's desire without the state's providing sanction to marriages of which they disapproved -- although they would undoubtedly still be outraged at the sanctioning of homosexual marriages that other religions and communities would undertake.

[italiangm]

Originally posted by Suburbanite+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Suburbanite)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>The problem, in my mind, with homosexuality is that it is a product of a twisted and violent society.[/b]

Then society has been "twisted and violent" for a very, very long time given how long homosexuality has been prevalent. Are you covering only human homosexuality in this belief? Or perhaps you believe homosexuality in the animal kingdom is a product of a twisted and violent society, too.

Originally posted by Suburbanite+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Suburbanite)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I believe wholeheartedly that homosexuality is not genetic, the notion is ridiculous,[/b]

You better tell that to the clinicians of about a dozen twin studies establishing a 30% to 70% correlation. And yes, I have citations.

Originally posted by Suburbanite nor is it a deliberate choice.

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However, it is mental (And Bob has heard this argument before). It is a product of early childhoods, or in rare cases later in life experiences. And it isn't caused by happy faces and flowers, but by acts of physical abuse, sexual molestation or rape, and other violent acts. An overwhelming majority of homosexuals have experiences some physical or sexual trauma in their early childhood or later life experience or in some cases reacted to even verbal violence and molestation (though rarer).[/quote]Mind providing citations to support any of these assertions/beliefs? Start with humans first, then animals if you have time.<!--QuoteBegin-Suburbanite
So homosexuals, while they should not be mistreated (legally or otherwise), homosexuality should be prevented and most homosexuals don’t like that notion. It is hard to except I am sure.[/quote]Well, if homosexuality is not genetic, and it's not chosen, then I await with breathless anticipation your proposal for preventing homosexuality.

[Suburbanite]

Removing physical and sexual violence is the only way to prevent it, which comes with a much more advanced culture than ours. And yes, society has been twisted and cruel for all its history. With animals in most instances it comes from a similar place. Animals aren't conscious to the levels we are. So you have to take in mind that they act on their homosexuality only in the most primeval ways. So it isn't necessarily a product of sexual abuse, but of any social subjugation. The types of animal homosexuals are divided by two, the first being the assertive ones who merely sodomize male animals (monkeys for instance) as a form of control and power, like in prison. The other kind is the subjugated homosexual animal, and these are only existent in mammals. These are animals who are simply confused because of their social uselessness. All homosexual mammals exist in some form of a society, and that is the reason for their actions.

As for citing proof, I'm not one to really get into all that. I find it bothersome on my part to do your research for you. Amongst twins of course homosexuality would be prevalent in both because more than likely they grew up in the same house with the same sexual or physical abuses. If homosexuality were genetic, a female lesbian and a male homosexual could make a child with at least 50% chance of being a homosexual. You have to be careful with most “studies” on controversial issues because they seek to prove their hypothesis not disprove it.

Oh, right, and bisexuals. Well, the gender line isn’t too distinct, not very dichotomous so to speak. Bisexuals don’t exist, because bisexuality is in reality a scale. There are women who have sex or make out with other women because it turns on men, you see that stuff at parties a lot, but it is all to arouse men, not each other. Then there are “true” bisexuals, who are just homosexuals who can still appreciate heterosexual sex. If human being are naturally, and by nature I mean its most societal-less form, heterosexual then people who are products of sexual or physical abuse can still retain their initial attraction to the same sex. Sexuality is really just mental, so a lot of things can influence it. I am sure peer pressure could cause a heterosexual to engage in homosexual sex much as homosexuals have often engaged in heterosexual sex due to enormous social pressure.

[Capt Lee]

This is probably one of societies biggest non issues.

Reality is whats between your legs, anything else you think is just your fantasy.

Rights? Those with those fantasies already had as many rights as I do.

Capt Lee

[VXerick]

Originally posted by StoneWT, *Sigh* Perhaps expecting people to actually search for a relevant article on the site was too much. Of course, some people enjoy not reading a site and making comments about it.

No, I actually found the article in question and found others at the same site. It was very interesting. I don't usually post on gay issues. I get in enough trouble posting on politics.

[VXerick]

Originally posted by Suburbanite, The problem, in my mind, with homosexuality is that it is a product of a twisted and violent society. I believe wholeheartedly that homosexuality is not genetic, the notion is ridiculous, nor is it a deliberate choice. However, it is mental (And Bob has heard this argument before). It is a product of early childhoods, or in rare cases later in life experiences. And it isn't caused by happy faces and flowers, but by acts of physical abuse, sexual molestation or rape, and other violent acts. An overwhelming majority of homosexuals have experiences some physical or sexual trauma in their early childhood or later life experience or in some cases reacted to even verbal violence and molestation (though rarer). So homosexuals, while they should not be mistreated (legally or otherwise), homosexuality should be prevented and most homosexuals don’t like that notion. It is hard to except I am sure.

Well, above I said I do not post on gay issues because I get in trouble and then you come along with your post. :)

I agree with you. I also don't believe gays are born gay. It's not in their genes. It's in their minds. Not in their brains, as would be a tumor that can create unusual behavior. Somewhere along the line from birth to becoming homosexuals, they have been exposed to an outside force that has placed the same sex idea in their minds.

If what is heard and read about many gays, even the ones who are in a committed relationship, at least one of a couple often finds it advantageous to seek out other partners, sometimes many other partners to release their sexual needs, so I suppose it's understandable that a gay who believes he is enjoying sex, would not want to be told he can be cured because there really isn't any genetic condition that made him gay. He wants to continue doing what he's doing because he likes his choices.

In that regard, I am of the mind that I don't care what they do, as long as I don't have to be exposed to it. And I'm not. I don't go to places known as homosexual hangouts. Unless I'm trapped in a place where I can't go somewhere else (on an airplane for example), I wouldn't stay where gay sex was going on.

Once I would have been against same sex marriage for the reason that a marriage is for one man and one woman, not for the purpose of having children but for the purpose that when they do have children, those children have a mother and a father, which is the best climate to raise children.

But marriage is like sex. There's no longer any fidelity to it as a couple. Divorce is rampant and out of control. Sex is rampant and out of control and abortion on demand is rampant and used as birth control. If the citizens of the US want to support population control by encouraging same sex marriages, then maybe we can expect a rapidly declining population with less demands upon our infrastructure and the environment. This should reduce our taxes and make unemployment only a memory.

[Mia]

Originally posted by Suburbanite, The problem, in my mind, with homosexuality is that it is a product of a twisted and violent society. I believe wholeheartedly that homosexuality is not genetic, the notion is ridiculous, nor is it a deliberate choice. However, it is mental (And Bob has heard this argument before). It is a product of early childhoods, or in rare cases later in life experiences. And it isn't caused by happy faces and flowers, but by acts of physical abuse, sexual molestation or rape, and other violent acts. An overwhelming majority of homosexuals have experiences some physical or sexual trauma in their early childhood or later life experience or in some cases reacted to even verbal violence and molestation (though rarer). So homosexuals, while they should not be mistreated (legally or otherwise), homosexuality should be prevented and most homosexuals don’t like that notion. It is hard to except I am sure.

Sources? I majored in pshychology and this isn't what I learned, not has this been the case in any furhter reading I have done. The opposite exactly.

[Mia]

Originally posted by Suburbanite,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Suburbanite,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> As for citing proof, I'm not one to really get into all that.  I find it bothersome...[/b]

Then you should make it very clear that you are stating your opinons and they are not verified by any facts.

Forget the twin study - there are physical differences in the brains of homosexuals.

Do your homework.

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I agree with you. I also don't believe gays are born gay. It's not in their genes. It's in their minds. Not in their brains...[/quote]

Studies say other-wise. It was big news - all the magazines and news stations covered it.