Taiwan corporal punishment banned

[Pooeypants]

Amendments to Taiwan's basic education law have come into force which ban corporal punishment in schools. Advocates of the changes say students will be better protected and that the island's overall human rights situation will be enhanced. However, some teachers in Taiwan fear the new rules could cause chaos in their classrooms, saying it removes an important disciplinary tool. The move means 109 countries have now banned corporal punishment in schools. After years of lobbying by civic groups, lawmakers in Taiwan ratified the new rules designed to prevent teachers in educational institutes from physically and psychologically punishing students. The BBC's Caroline Gluck in Taipei says before the changes Taiwan had regulations in place which theoretically banned corporal punishment - but they seemed to be widely ignore.

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I'm not from Taiwan but I think this amendment is, to put it bluntly, just bullshit. Today's Youth has no respect for their elders, discipline is like a urban legend to some of them. I say we should bring back corporal punishment to the classrooms in UK (maybe US too?). Pain teaches quickly and effectively.

[Plasma Snake[D]]

It is a good and bad thing. Unfortunately there are types of people that would use the children as an outlet to vent their frustrations, so that their actions wouldnt be logical and just. People dont deserve this type of power.

[G. Adams]

Quote by: Pooeypants Source I'm not from Taiwan but I think this amendment is, to put it bluntly, just bullshit. Today's Youth has no respect for their elders, discipline is like a urban legend to some of them. I say we should bring back corporal punishment to the classrooms in UK (maybe US too?). Pain teaches quickly and effectively.

Do you really think that's a good idea in the UK Pooey? I know for damn certain I would have fought back against any attack upon me regardless of age. And by the time I was 16 I was 6'1, 175lbs and had a fine punch on me. Looking back, only my history teacher and the PE teachers could have taken a punch from me or a number of my friends. When people look back and think of the times in the UK when we did have corporal punishment all those men had been through National Service and were a damn sight tougher than the pansies we have teaching now.

I can imagine a number of teachers being attacked outside of school because of corporal punishment in the UK, and the first murdered teacher because of it wouldn't be far off.

Discipline should come from home, not the schools.

[Pooeypants]

Quote by: G. Adams Do you really think that's a good idea in the UK Pooey? I know for damn certain I would have fought back against any attack upon me regardless of age. And by the time I was 16 I was 6'1, 175lbs and had a fine punch on me. Looking back, only my history teacher and the PE teachers could have taken a punch from me or a number of my friends. When people look back and think of the times in the UK when we did have corporal punishment all those men had been through National Service and were a damn sight tougher than the pansies we have teaching now. I can imagine a number of teachers being attacked outside of school because of corporal punishment in the UK, and the first murdered teacher because of it wouldn't be far off. Discipline should come from home, not the schools.

If you'd be disciplined your entire life with threat of corporal punishment, the idea of laying a hand on your superiors would be unthinkable. I would also think by that by the age of 16, you'd have been disciplined enough to not require caning, however, you do raise a good point, maybe the teachers should all be given tasers.
The problem with discipline at home is that parents these days just don't care and/or think it's the school's responsibility. Unless you can think of a way to teach these parents and force them to discipline their children, the schools must take this job into their hands.

[predius]

Quote by: Pooeypants If you'd be disciplined your entire life with threat of corporal punishment, the idea of laying a hand on your superiors would be unthinkable. I would also think by that by the age of 16, you'd have been disciplined enough to not require caning, however, you do raise a good point, maybe the teachers should all be given tasers.

Who says that that's a good thing? Respect for your superiors, just because they are older/more senior is an idiotic notion. If that person has actually worked hard, honestly and continues so, then he has earned my respect. I will not, and would hate that someone was forced to, respect someone just because they have a stick and a law says that they can hit me with it.

Quote by: Pooeypants The problem with discipline at home is that parents these days just don't care and/or think it's the school's responsibility. Unless you can think of a way to teach these parents and force them to discipline their children, the schools must take this job into their hands.

What do you care? If you raise your children badly, then that might be. You, however, have no right to get schools to hit their kids just because they don't do their jobs, according to your definition.

If the parents aren't teaching, then call social services.

[G. Adams]

Quote by: Pooeypants If you'd be disciplined your entire life with threat of corporal punishment, the idea of laying a hand on your superiors would be unthinkable. I would also think by that by the age of 16, you'd have been disciplined enough to not require caning, however, you do raise a good point, maybe the teachers should all be given tasers. The problem with discipline at home is that parents these days just don't care and/or think it's the school's responsibility. Unless you can think of a way to teach these parents and force them to discipline their children, the schools must take this job into their hands.

I very much doubt it. I've taken a battering at home on many, many occaisions and it never made me any less likely to do something that I wanted to do.

I restrained myself from doing negative things as a child because of the sense of disapointment I felt from my Dad when I buggered up, not because I was worried I was going to have my head cracked against a door again by my mum. As I got older, it was the same. I rarely missed my homework for my history teacher or my english teacher, because I respected them immensely. By the time I was 16 it was my own code of ethics that held me firm, and has since.

If I was tasered by any teacher I would have rounded up my friends, found out where they lived and started a campaign of Animal Liberation Front style antics until they teaching. True, this sounds like idle internet boasting, but that's irrespective, you know that even if I wouldn't, many others in this country would.

You can improve the discipline situation within the UK, as it will never be solved and you'd be a fool to think otherwise, through four measures.

Firstly, bring back grammar schools. There was a good slice of my schools troublemakers, including myself, who did it because they were unchallenged and bored. Those two teachers I spoke of earlier both told me on different occaisions that they nigh on didn't teach me anything during the year and they were sorry that they couldn't stretch me more. Having grammar schools back would take the top 20% out of the mass and give them the education to push them as hard as they deserve.

Secondly, give headteachers greater ability to expel students that cause trouble. Currently they have to jump through hoops to get rid of the assholes.

Thirdly, allow greater flexibility for teachers to use reasonable force. Kids know that a teacher can't lay a hand on them, which they use to great effect. For example, a teacher tells the kid to get out of the room. Kid says no. There's nothing they can do if that pupil is going to sit there, shout and be a nuisance. They have to wait till the parents get there or the pupil gets bored. This puts the pupil in the position of power. I would suggest the teacher should be allowed to drag that little arsehole across the room and throw them out. Teachers should be well within there rights to strike a child who hits them (a real hit that is, not an 11year old throwing a hissy fit).

I know that last point may seem to run against my opposition to corporal punishment, however force would only be used on the most ungovernable of children under my system, rather than as standard practice as corporal punishment has it.

Lastly, teachers should be trained in self-defence, particularly restraining techniques, and whatever will build their confidence. The central reason I remember classes breaking down in my school was because the teacher was a cowardly, snivveling little whinger. When pupils see a weak teacher, they will make use of that. The classes that never broke down were the ones where the teacher was strong and confident. They had good voices (vocal training should be essential to convey authority) that would shut up all but the most obtuse pupil.

The first and final point I believe would be the most important for improving the UK. I would also suggest entirely privatising the education of the UK, which would very much put the responsibility on the parents, but this would be unfeasonable in the UK without a great resurgence in liberalism in the UK.