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Kamehameha34 · Dec 12, 2006, 03:57 pm

Read this article.

I think this poll reflects our society's view on racism. Whites are still seen as the evil oppressors, and black are seen as the victims.

In spite of the fact that I've only been alive for 14 years, I've seen enough to know that, in most cases, the concept of blacks being victimized by racism seems to be perpetuated by small groups of the supposed victims (with exceptions), who forsake their culture. (Note I said "small groups", so I'm not generalizing >_<)

Also, most of the racism I see is constituted by a small clique of blacks at my school that looks, with disdane, at anything that could be interpretted as "white".

Thoughts?

PatrickHenry · Dec 12, 2006, 04:21 pm

Don't generalize from your limited experience, youngster. Race hatred is real and so is discrimination. The liberal population of the US "got it" about forty years ago. The "trickle down" is still in progress...

Notice what your article says:

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Racism also can be a factor in getting a job.

Candidates named Emily O'Brien or Neil McCarthy were much more likely to get calls back from potential employers than applicants named Tamika Williams and Jamal Jackson, even though they had the same credentials, according to a study by the University of Chicago.

Are you a white kid?

Your Grampa, PatrickHenry

Kamehameha34 · Dec 12, 2006, 04:29 pm

I was afraid this would happen -.-

Mention that you are of an age lower than your company, and they will be the first to exploit it in a distorted attempt to unfoundly demean the quality of your point of view.

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Racism also can be a factor in getting a job.

Candidates named Emily O'Brien or Neil McCarthy were much more likely to get calls back from potential employers than applicants named Tamika Williams and Jamal Jackson, even though they had the same credentials, according to a study by the University of Chicago.

I'm mostly referring to social racism, but I see where you're going with this.

I'd need to know the specifics of the study before I draw conclusions from it, though. It names an inconclusive amount of variables.

PatrickHenry · Dec 12, 2006, 04:34 pm

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Quote by: Kamehameha34

I was afraid this would happen -.-

Mention that you are of an age lower than your company, and they will be the first to exploit it in a distorted attempt to unfoundly demean the quality of your point of view.

Kam, I respect your views as a member of this forum. You have disclosed that your age is such that your personal experience is unquestionably limited. Surely you can see the logic of my statements? I am not dismissing your views, just pointing out the obvious.

We grayhairs have seen a lot of things you haven't.

Kamehameha34 · Dec 12, 2006, 04:47 pm

I don't see how your seeing more things than I could be relevant to the topic, due to the fact that it is set in the present. If anything, your previous experiences have given you a bias in terms of how you view the world around you.

Much like how a writer will rarely catch all of his mistakes, but his audience, or editors, would pick them out like black kids in a line-up. (JUST KIDDING!!!)

I am but a fresh eye.

That is, if you want to continue this ad hominem attack

Chancellor · Dec 12, 2006, 05:11 pm

Quote:

Quote by: Kamehameha34

Read this article.

I think this poll reflects our society's view on racism. Whites are still seen as the evil oppressors, and black are seen as the victims.

In spite of the fact that I've only been alive for 14 years, I've seen enough to know that, in most cases, the concept of blacks being victimized by racism seems to be perpetuated by small groups of the supposed victims (with exceptions), who forsake their culture. (Note I said "small groups", so I'm not generalizing >_<)

Also, most of the racism I see is constituted by a small clique of blacks at my school that looks, with disdane, at anything that could be interpretted as "white".

Thoughts?

I find polls to be inherently suspect simply because the results can be changed by asking the questions differently. Just as a matter of observation, there seems to be a range of views within American society on racism (from "it's a terrible evil that lurks around every corner" to "there's nothing wrong with it"). Those views are partly dependent on such factors as regional culture (the seeming unique "culture" of a particular region such as the urban northeast, the "rust belt," rural Appalachia, the "Bible belt," the "heartland" midwest, etc.), the values with which one was raised (which may or may not be consistent with one's regional culture), a person's experiences (or lack thereof) with people of different skin colors or ethnic groups, and so on. There are, of course, a few of us who simply choose not to recognize so-called "races" and who still believe in the ideal of the color blind society.

talinh · Dec 12, 2006, 07:06 pm

social racism, lol that funny we are all guilty of racism now days weather its against the poor man or the sexual needs of others...

you use racism on someone with someone who has bad teeth when you exclude him from things everyone else dose... you use it when you call a child lover a rapist without ever meting him or seeing how they act with their loved ones... as a being we are cruel and dont care what others think as long as we can classify them and what we dont under stain we dont take the time to learn about or if we do we tend to favor the side that suits us...

you see racism as black and white in colors but their are many things that are many other things that are cursed by racism weed,sex,love,beliefs,beutie
and more but who are you to judge what these people can do you are young and old your hearts have not been exposed to these filling that these others fill and may never be... most of you lead the ideal lifes but some are lost in a legal limbo ware no matter what they do is wrong by the standers of man that is racisms

you could beat me down and say i am wrong but ideals are wrong in this day and age..

Kamehameha34 · Dec 12, 2006, 08:04 pm

I don't think you are operating off of the right definition of racism. First of all, an adult who has sex with a child is a rapist, just like someone who attends school is a student.

By the way, there is no such a thing as "sexual needs."

talinh · Dec 12, 2006, 11:55 pm

how do you know i am just saying that for my own gain maybe i am a father who has a kid who is involved in this kinda relationship...trying to discredit me because of my what i stain for only strengthens my point you formed an idea about me and now you are ready to act on it... when you dont know if i am just trying to help a dear friend or if i am in love with someone under the age or i am a father worried about my little girl that is what i am saying we forum mental pictures about others and expect them to be right... what if you are wrong i bet that was the only part of my post you really seen...

what if i saved 10 million lifes... you would still judge me by who i love not what i have done... you see that is the racism thing i am talkin about you discredit me because i mite love a kid... you dont even know if i do or if i support the love my child is in..... you are a raciest because you disided i am a pedophile and now i have that name by you and others you know will branded me with the name of pedophile that is what i am saying you dont know me and yet you judge me

**Jack** · Dec 13, 2006, 12:31 am

Welcome to a world gays have been dealing with for hundreds of years.

talinh · Dec 13, 2006, 05:00 am

thanks isherwood i have known this for many years i helped with gay rights and now i am helpin others who need it

as for you one last thing so even if the child consents to the sexual aspect of the relationship that kid is wrong and their for that kid is being raped????

even when a kid is so in love with his/her pedophile lover that he/she is willing to go to jail rather then send her / his lover their... even when 20 years after they get married to the person who "RAPED" them you only act by hate and you are cough up in a kinda racism that few see because it is am excepted racism

there is no such a thing as "sexual needs."

their is not???then would you care to explain why people who have sex live longer then people who do not??? could you explain why some one who has not has had sex for a long time falls into depression???? or let trace it back to the animal kingdom it is seen in all animals that when their kin reaches post prepubescents sex begins... not only that animals mate on a time period the only thing the sets us apart is we do it for pleasure... their for hinting that it is necessary to our survival that imply's "SEXUAL NEEDS"!!!!

even though you think that is not possible heres a bit more children are sexual it has been proven... their are many sites on it if you dont beleave me take a look dont worry their are no pics on them its just doctors and other in those fields lookin into that stuff...and as for your word on the matter you just took what you see from others and used it to your advantage you dident look into both sides... you just beleave on blind faith... just like you bleave that the u.s.a. is a free country...

this is a rascal case because when it come down to it child lovers are a group of people who are enslaved by society...an no one took the time to find out if it was right or wrong they just jumped on it because it was controversial give me a 100 present prove and ill stop pushing for their rights

another day · Dec 13, 2006, 07:19 am

Wow what a bunch of crap. It doesn't matter if the child "consents" because a child is mentally immature. It's pretty easy for a pedophile to manipulate a child into "loving him". Just as a kidnapped person often begins to sympathize with their abductors. When you have a weak person such as a child they are very mallaeble.

It's pretty obvious your some kind of NAMBLA freak. "Child lovers are enslaved by society" my ass. You just have a sexual deviance, which is pedophilia (and don't give me that "don't assume and be a racist" crap, because it's pretty clear that you ARE a pedophile), and you wish to fulfill that. Except it is not allowed because children are too young, immature, and unintelligent to consent to such a relationship, even if they say they consent. Also is english your first language? You can barely form proper sentences.

I love how you try to act like your some kind of innocent third party pushing for the rights of "child lovers". The only person who would defend pedophilia is a pedophile himself! It's also obvious because you managed to bring up the subject in a totally unrelated discussion about racism.

And it's funny, all kamaheka said in response to your first post was that you were offtopic about racism, and you respond with this...

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how do you know i am just saying that for my own gain maybe i am a father who has a kid who is involved in this kinda relationship...trying to discredit me because of my what i stain for only strengthens my point you formed an idea about me and now you are ready to act on it... when you dont know if i am just trying to help a dear friend or if i am in love with someone under the age or i am a father worried about my little girl that is what i am saying we forum mental pictures about others and expect them to be right... what if you are wrong i bet that was the only part of my post you really seen...

He didn't try to discredit you or anything that you mentioned...dude you are as transparent as glass. And it's sick that you try to claim you might have a small child who's being molested by another man and are ok with that, you know it's the other way around. And I'm also sure you have no children or else you wouldn't see this issue the way you do.

And so, as a pedophile you may think it's just innocent love between a man and a child -most pedophiles think this way or at least claim to. But really it's manipulation of a weak and vulnerable child into fulfilling the pleasures and fantasies of a sexually deviant adult. And i'll accept that the child can grow to love their molestor, but that doesn't make it ok. You can't step in and warp that child's entire life before they are fully mature.

And stop using the word racism. Racism is discrimination based on RACE, not sexual preference, or anything else.

**Matt W** · Dec 13, 2006, 06:16 pm

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Kamehameha34 · Dec 13, 2006, 07:15 pm

Quote:

Quote by: Isherwood

Welcome to a world gays have been dealing with for hundreds of years.

I don't get it :confused:

ByaKya · Dec 13, 2006, 11:59 pm

Quote:

Quote by: Kamehameha34

Read this article.

I think this poll reflects our society's view on racism. Whites are still seen as the evil oppressors, and black are seen as the victims.

In spite of the fact that I've only been alive for 14 years, I've seen enough to know that, in most cases, the concept of blacks being victimized by racism seems to be perpetuated by small groups of the supposed victims (with exceptions), who forsake their culture. (Note I said "small groups", so I'm not generalizing >_<)

Also, most of the racism I see is constituted by a small clique of blacks at my school that looks, with disdane, at anything that could be interpretted as "white".

Thoughts?

MOST of the racism you see is done by BLACKS?
Good god.
like patrick said, youre too young to know it than.
I own things that are older than you. Racism is alive and hell, just hiding most of the time. hell look around the political forums on this site, youll see a couple closet racists

Compugasm · Dec 14, 2006, 04:31 am

Quote:

Quote by: Isherwood

Welcome to a world gays have been dealing with for hundreds of years.

It can be traced back and dated? Who was the first?

Fonceai · Dec 14, 2006, 12:16 pm

Racism of this era is not the same as the racism of the 20th century.

These days, racism is the label applied after the fact to a normal incident where someone wants to find an excuse for any or greater reparations.

PatrickHenry · Dec 14, 2006, 12:37 pm

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Quote by: Fonceai

Racism of this era is not the same as the racism of the 20th century.

These days, racism is the label applied after the fact to a normal incident where someone wants to find an excuse for any or greater reparations.

You think it only exists in the mind of the beholder?:eek:

Fonceai · Dec 14, 2006, 01:05 pm

Not at all!

But I find that lately, incidents of racism occur because someone who is prejudiced is responding to stereotypical behavior.

Whether it's someone Jewish acting like a snob or a Black acting like an asshole, racism occurs as a response; and not initiated.

PatrickHenry · Dec 14, 2006, 01:10 pm

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Quote by: Fonceai

Not at all!

But I find that lately, incidents of racism occur because someone who is prejudiced is responding to stereotypical behavior.

Whether it's someone Jewish acting like a snob or a Black acting like an asshole, racism occurs as a response; and not initiated.

So IYO, racists refrain from exhibiting their objectionable behavior unless "provoked?" They just keep their pathetic opinions to themselves?

Dec 12, 2006, 03:57 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Kamehameha34 The dingos! Posts: 4,222	Racism.. Is it really as much of a problem? Read this article. I think this poll reflects our society's view on racism. Whites are still seen as the evil oppressors, and black are seen as the victims. In spite of the fact that I've only been alive for 14 years, I've seen enough to know that, in most cases, the concept of blacks being victimized by racism seems to be perpetuated by small groups of the supposed victims (with exceptions), who forsake their culture. (Note I said "small groups", so I'm not generalizing >_<) Also, most of the racism I see is constituted by a small clique of blacks at my school that looks, with disdane, at anything that could be interpretted as "white". Thoughts?

Dec 12, 2006, 04:47 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
Kamehameha34 The dingos! Posts: 4,222	I don't see how your seeing more things than I could be relevant to the topic, due to the fact that it is set in the present. If anything, your previous experiences have given you a bias in terms of how you view the world around you. Much like how a writer will rarely catch all of his mistakes, but his audience, or editors, would pick them out like black kids in a line-up. (JUST KIDDING!!!) I am but a fresh eye. That is, if you want to continue this ad hominem attack Last edited by Kamehameha34; Dec 12, 2006 at 05:09 pm.

Dec 12, 2006, 07:06 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
talinh a big thinker Posts: 69	social racism, lol that funny we are all guilty of racism now days weather its against the poor man or the sexual needs of others... you use racism on someone with someone who has bad teeth when you exclude him from things everyone else dose... you use it when you call a child lover a rapist without ever meting him or seeing how they act with their loved ones... as a being we are cruel and dont care what others think as long as we can classify them and what we dont under stain we dont take the time to learn about or if we do we tend to favor the side that suits us... you see racism as black and white in colors but their are many things that are many other things that are cursed by racism weed,sex,love,beliefs,beutie and more but who are you to judge what these people can do you are young and old your hearts have not been exposed to these filling that these others fill and may never be... most of you lead the ideal lifes but some are lost in a legal limbo ware no matter what they do is wrong by the standers of man that is racisms you could beat me down and say i am wrong but ideals are wrong in this day and age.. "i dont agree with a word you say, but ill defend to the death your right to say it"-voltaire

Dec 12, 2006, 11:55 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
talinh a big thinker Posts: 69	how do you know i am just saying that for my own gain maybe i am a father who has a kid who is involved in this kinda relationship...trying to discredit me because of my what i stain for only strengthens my point you formed an idea about me and now you are ready to act on it... when you dont know if i am just trying to help a dear friend or if i am in love with someone under the age or i am a father worried about my little girl that is what i am saying we forum mental pictures about others and expect them to be right... what if you are wrong i bet that was the only part of my post you really seen... what if i saved 10 million lifes... you would still judge me by who i love not what i have done... you see that is the racism thing i am talkin about you discredit me because i mite love a kid... you dont even know if i do or if i support the love my child is in..... you are a raciest because you disided i am a pedophile and now i have that name by you and others you know will branded me with the name of pedophile that is what i am saying you dont know me and yet you judge me "i dont agree with a word you say, but ill defend to the death your right to say it"-voltaire

Dec 13, 2006, 12:31 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 12,817	Welcome to a world gays have been dealing with for hundreds of years. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Tumblr Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Dec 12, 2006, 08:04 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Kamehameha34 The dingos! Posts: 4,222	I don't think you are operating off of the right definition of racism. First of all, an adult who has sex with a child is a rapist, just like someone who attends school is a student. By the way, there is no such a thing as "sexual needs."

Dec 13, 2006, 05:00 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
talinh a big thinker Posts: 69	thanks isherwood i have known this for many years i helped with gay rights and now i am helpin others who need it as for you one last thing so even if the child consents to the sexual aspect of the relationship that kid is wrong and their for that kid is being raped???? even when a kid is so in love with his/her pedophile lover that he/she is willing to go to jail rather then send her / his lover their... even when 20 years after they get married to the person who "RAPED" them you only act by hate and you are cough up in a kinda racism that few see because it is am excepted racism there is no such a thing as "sexual needs." their is not???then would you care to explain why people who have sex live longer then people who do not??? could you explain why some one who has not has had sex for a long time falls into depression???? or let trace it back to the animal kingdom it is seen in all animals that when their kin reaches post prepubescents sex begins... not only that animals mate on a time period the only thing the sets us apart is we do it for pleasure... their for hinting that it is necessary to our survival that imply's "SEXUAL NEEDS"!!!! even though you think that is not possible heres a bit more children are sexual it has been proven... their are many sites on it if you dont beleave me take a look dont worry their are no pics on them its just doctors and other in those fields lookin into that stuff...and as for your word on the matter you just took what you see from others and used it to your advantage you dident look into both sides... you just beleave on blind faith... just like you bleave that the u.s.a. is a free country... this is a rascal case because when it come down to it child lovers are a group of people who are enslaved by society...an no one took the time to find out if it was right or wrong they just jumped on it because it was controversial give me a 100 present prove and ill stop pushing for their rights "i dont agree with a word you say, but ill defend to the death your right to say it"-voltaire

Dec 14, 2006, 12:16 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
Fonceai BANNED Location: New York Posts: 4,217	Racism of this era is not the same as the racism of the 20th century. These days, racism is the label applied after the fact to a normal incident where someone wants to find an excuse for any or greater reparations.

Dec 14, 2006, 01:05 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
Fonceai BANNED Location: New York Posts: 4,217	Not at all! But I find that lately, incidents of racism occur because someone who is prejudiced is responding to stereotypical behavior. Whether it's someone Jewish acting like a snob or a Black acting like an asshole, racism occurs as a response; and not initiated.