Racism.. Is it really as much of a problem?

[ByaKya]

Quote by: Kamehameha34 Ad populum.

Um, are you saying blacks in both times were wrong to do what they did or what they thought was wrong?
If not, then ad populum doesnt apply.
What they did is right, and what they thought "equality" is actually true.

May wanna read up on logic before you become a professor

Argumentum Ad Populum

[Kamehameha34]

You are implying that Fonce should think that his skin color is worth dying over, because people have died over it in the past.

The issue isn't one of equality. It is whether or not your life is worth the skin you live it in. I know the specifics of ad populum. However, I suggest you read up on this term.

[Sappho]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Don't generalize from your limited experience, youngster. Race hatred is real and so is discrimination. The liberal population of the US "got it" about forty years ago. The "trickle down" is still in progress... Are you a white kid? Your Grampa, PatrickHenry

Is this the kind of thing you've been dealing with Kame? Stupid agist ning nong didn't even think before he spoke.

Kame actually made a relevent point here.

I don't know what goes on with racism in The US. It's not discussed in Australia. What I notice though is that the music video's of black artists particularly of the Rap, R&B and Hip Hop vain, feature dominantly, if not solely black people in their video's. This does not occur amongst the white US artists of any genre.

Immediately, I perceive this representation in the music that goes off shore as racism on the part of black artists. I mean; Are whites not good enough to be in their video's? Are blacks the only one's allowed to enjoy their music? What's the deal here? Why don't they include other races in their video's to the same extent as whites do at least?

Inverse racism is also apparent, or a least perceived off shore of The US. Seems only whites suffer the social disease Racism, with all other cultures being the victim of this disease we whites carry. Yet cultural diversity is through out all layers of US social institutions. The actions of a dominantly white population of past ages have ensured cultural diversity and assimilation within the US for all cultures and this fact is in fruition in the present, yet you would not know it if you listened to the negative inverse racism that goes on in daily lives about this site and others.

All reasonableness get's lost in such discussions as this in preference for emotive trolling - such as the above quoted would do to our young contributer.

[Kamehameha34]

The example you cite, regarding assorted music videos, does much to conceptualize the basic theme of this thread. "Dissin' whitey" is the new pass-time for the majority of our pop culture; at least the pop culture that the age police let me observe.

[ByaKya]

Quote by: Sappho I don't know what goes on with racism in The US. It's not discussed in Australia. .

Race war in Australia

The day after the white riot in Cronulla, New South Wales, there was large scale retaliation by Lebanese and Middle Eastern gangs, who among other things attacked white neighborhoods and burned cars, making people flee for safety into their homes. It's something of a race war right now. Wikipedia has a useful compendium of this unfolding event, which is, to my knowledge, the first large-scale violent exchange between Western and non-Western populations in the West since mass non-Western immigration began a half-century ago (Bradford, England may be an exception, but I believe almost all the violence there was done by the Pakistanis, not by the English).



its not discussed?
The rest of your post is irrelevant. Listen to their music !!?

[ByaKya]

Quote by: Kamehameha34 You are implying that Fonce should think that his skin color is worth dying over, because people have died over it in the past. The issue isn't one of equality. It is whether or not your life is worth the skin you live it in. I know the specifics of ad populum. However, I suggest you read up on this term.

i mentioned it would be reckless to take on 4 or 5 guys, whichever his situation was. But generally speaking you should never back down from racism.

[Kamehameha34]

Another strawman. We are not on the subject of "backing down from racism".

You implied that Fonce is unjustified in his belief that his skin color isn't worth dying for, based on the premise that many blacks died in the civil rights movement, and the civil war. This was an ad populum argument, of the bandwagon variety.

To which you replied with a straw man, implying that those who wouldn't die for their skin color aren't committed to equality.

Once again, we are not talking about "backing down from racism", we are talking about giving your life for the color of the skin you reside in; which you seem to believe is Fonce's only justifiable option as a black man.

[Sappho]

Quote by: ByaKya Race war in Australia The day after the white riot in Cronulla, New South Wales, there was large scale retaliation by Lebanese and Middle Eastern gangs, who among other things attacked white neighborhoods and burned cars, making people flee for safety into their homes. It's something of a race war right now. Wikipedia has a useful compendium of this unfolding event, which is, to my knowledge, the first large-scale violent exchange between Western and non-Western populations in the West since mass non-Western immigration began a half-century ago (Bradford, England may be an exception, but I believe almost all the violence there was done by the Pakistanis, not by the English). its not discussed? The rest of your post is irrelevant. Listen to their music !!?

Ah yes............. A ning nong!

Hello Ning Nong :)

Having a bit of an issue with the English language are you? Never mind, Sappho will save the day.

Now......... let's look at my quote again shall we? Indeedy let's do it. :)

Quote by: Sappho I don't know what goes on with racism in The US. It's not discussed in Australia.

What was the topic?
A: Racism in The US.

Do Australian's discuss "Racism in The US"?
A: No; or at least not that often.

It (Racism in The US) is "not discussed in Australia.

Is there Racism in Australia?
A: Yes.

Do Australians discuss "Racism in Australia"?
Absolutely.

Is "Racism in Australia", the topic of Sappho's comments?
A: No.

What was the topic of Sappho's comments?
A: Racism in The US.

Did Sappho have anything to say about "Racism in The US"?

Quote by: Sappho What I notice though is that the music video's of black artists particularly of the Rap, R&B and Hip Hop vain, feature dominantly, if not solely black people in their video's. This does not occur amongst the white US artists of any genre. Immediately, I perceive this representation in the music that goes off shore as racism on the part of black artists. I mean; Are whites not good enough to be in their video's? Are blacks the only one's allowed to enjoy their music? What's the deal here? Why don't they include other races in their video's to the same extent as whites do at least? Inverse racism is also apparent, or a least perceived off shore of The US. Seems only whites suffer the social disease Racism, with all other cultures being the victim of this disease we whites carry. Yet cultural diversity is through out all layers of US social institutions. The actions of a dominantly white population of past ages have ensured cultural diversity and assimilation within the US for all cultures and this fact is in fruition in the present, yet you would not know it if you listened to the negative inverse racism that goes on in daily lives about this site and others.

[ByaKya]

Quote by: Kamehameha34 Another strawman. We are not on the subject of "backing down from racism". You implied that Fonce is unjustified in his belief that his skin color isn't worth dying for, based on the premise that many blacks died in the civil rights movement, and the civil war. This was an ad populum argument, of the bandwagon variety. To which you replied with a straw man, implying that those who wouldn't die for their skin color aren't committed to equality. Once again, we are not talking about "backing down from racism", we are talking about giving your life for the color of the skin you reside in; which you seem to believe is Fonce's only justifiable option as a black man.

Did you just repeat your post?
I told him it would be reckless to engage 5 rascists, but generally speaking you shouldnt back down from rascism.

He shouldnt push that to mean he must risk his life for his freedom/race (in this day ), unless of course were talking about the civil war where blacks were fighting for both sides.

[Kamehameha34]

Brilliant :)

[ByaKya]

Quote by: Sappho Ah yes............. A ning nong! Hello Ning Nong :) Having a bit of an issue with the English language are you? Never mind, Sappho will save the day. Now......... let's look at my quote again shall we? Indeedy let's do it. :) What was the topic? A: Racism in The US. Do Australian's discuss "Racism in The US"? A: No; or at least not that often. It (Racism in The US) is "not discussed in Australia. Is there Racism in Australia? A: Yes. Do Australians discuss "Racism in Australia"? Absolutely. Is "Racism in Australia", the topic of Sappho's comments? A: No. What was the topic of Sappho's comments? A: Racism in The US. Did Sappho have anything to say about "Racism in The US"?

First of all. Reported

Second of all. He said its not discussed, which would mean there isnt anything to discuss, i showed him he was wrong on both counts. Cheers

[Sappho]

Quote by: ByaKya First of all. Reported

That's your choice. But in my defense, I do not appreciate your misrepresentation of what I had to say.

You refuted me completely by skewing my words to mean that Aussies don't discuss Aussie Racism, which is not what I was saying.

This thread was opened by Kame to discuss Racism in the US. You were tangenting offensively through misrepresentations of my views and denegration of my off shore perspectives of the racism I've noted from The US, without valid or compelling arguement of any kind.

What the hell do you expect when you do that to me? Kindness! Get a reality check mate. You gots whats was coming to ya.

Treat me like a dickhead and you'll get it back trumps.

Quote by: ByaKya Second of all. He said its not discussed, which would mean there isnt anything to discuss, i showed him he was wrong on both counts. Cheers

Who is "He"? You were talking to me, Sappho!

You quoted me and only me. Took my words out of context and then used that new context, you had created, to denegrate my observations of racism in the US as though they were worthless and lacking any merit.

All I have to say to you is........... Bump

Quote by: Sappho What I notice though is that the music video's of black artists particularly of the Rap, R&B and Hip Hop vain, feature dominantly, if not solely black people in their video's. This does not occur amongst the white US artists of any genre. Immediately, I perceive this representation in the music that goes off shore as racism on the part of black artists. I mean; Are whites not good enough to be in their video's? Are blacks the only one's allowed to enjoy their music? What's the deal here? Why don't they include other races in their video's to the same extent as whites do at least? Inverse racism is also apparent, or a least perceived off shore of The US. Seems only whites suffer the social disease Racism, with all other cultures being the victim of this disease we whites carry. Yet cultural diversity is through out all layers of US social institutions. The actions of a dominantly white population of past ages have ensured cultural diversity and assimilation within the US for all cultures and this fact is in fruition in the present, yet you would not know it if you listened to the negative inverse racism that goes on in daily lives about this site and others.

What do others think of this outsiders perspective of The US and their racism issues?

[Fonceai]

Quote by: ByaKya Hmmm, Blacks during the civil war and the civil rights movement thought otherwise.

Those blacks who were volunteer soldiers made that choice consciously.

Me dying in this day and age over it is not.

Only a fool is willing to die over something over which they have no control.

[Fonceai]

Quote by: ByaKya I told him it would be reckless to engage 5 rascists, but generally speaking you shouldnt back down from rascism. He shouldnt push that to mean he must risk his life for his freedom/race (in this day ), unless of course were talking about the civil war where blacks were fighting for both sides.

And it's pointless to bring up then when this thread is clearly dealing with now.

By the way, the Civil War wasn't fought over slavery.

You might want to read up on your history before you make it seem like the most violent conflict on U.S. soil was fought over skin color.

[ByaKya]

Quote by: Fonceai Those blacks who were volunteer soldiers made that choice consciously. .

And the ones involved in the civil rights movement? Certainly risked their life, they were civilians.

And im not so sure about blacks on the conderate side of the civil war though.

Do you agree that rasicm should be confronted ?

[Kamehameha34]

Quote by: ByaKya Did you just repeat your post? I told him it would be reckless to engage 5 rascists, but generally speaking you shouldnt back down from rascism.

What about when it would kill you? That is the subject. You seem to think that, because he wouldn't die for his skin color, he does not seek racial equality. This is a flawed conception, and a straw man.

He shouldnt push that to mean he must risk his life for his freedom/race (in this day ), unless of course were talking about the civil war where blacks were fighting for both sides.

So we are in agreement that the civil war is irrelevant to the fact that Fonce would rather run from 5 bigoted men than get lynched?

[Fonceai]

Quote by: BK And the ones involved in the civil rights movement? Certainly risked their life, they were civilians.

Again... that was then. I'm currently a black with perfect legal equality. Why fight?

Quote by: BK And im not so sure about blacks on the conderate side of the civil war though.

Confederate. They were conscripted, and they weren't fighting for their own freedom.

Quote by: BK Do you agree that rasicm should be confronted ?

What kind of racism, and how?

If confrontation means getting beaten or killed, then no. Someone else's ignorance is not a threat to me.

As I wrote earlier, racism these days doesn't usually come out unless it's in response to other actions. You might have to dig to find it, but it's usually true.

Again, not worth my life if I can walk or run away.

Leaving my daughter fatherless and my wife a widow because I let racism bother me makes me a nigger, in my book.

[ByaKya]

Quote by: Fonceai What kind of racism, and how? .

Then you agree in principle that it should be confronted. That was my only point.

[ByaKya]

Quote by: Kamehameha34 What about when it would kill you? That is the subject. You seem to think that, because he wouldn't die for his skin color, he does not seek racial equality. This is a flawed conception, and a straw man. So we are in agreement that the civil war is irrelevant to the fact that Fonce would rather run from 5 bigoted men than get lynched?

youre very close to trolling which is bannable. Dont repeat the same thing to me after i clarified my position to you more than once.

[ByaKya]

Follow the forum rules 'mate

Quote by: Sappho What do others think of this outsiders perspective of The US and their racism issues?

The music is a reaction to racism, not the instigator of it. Rap started in the 80's.
Youre blaming the reaction to injustice as the instigator of it.
Its a good release to make music