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Kuroko · Dec 10, 2006, 01:00 pm

While there is already a thread highlighting some of the antics and happenings of the Sony Playstation 3 launch I figure there is enough merrit for a stand alone thread on the arguements people may have as to which console is better then the other.

Indeed for many different reasons, by now I believe it would be irrelevant to go over what each one has going for them, if Sony's $150m add compaign has not reached you or Microsoft's almost as impressive efforts in the states or you just tuned out during E3 '06 then consoles are probobly not for you any way (in terms of debating over thier finer points).

For the rest of us, our entertainment matters some what, one form of entertainment is also debating.

I want to hear some reasons people cite thier picks for the victors of the next console war.

kubedawg · Dec 11, 2006, 10:35 am

PS3 is like taking a Wii, an Xbox360 and a Bluray DVD player and mixing em together, on crack. Nuff said about that.

The Wii has only a few good titles so far that interest me, mainly Zelda, however, I have used a PS3 and they have Madden 07 which Wii also has, however, I get full 720p/1080i res on my TV, so it's better than the Wii version.

Resistance - Fall of Man is an awesome game that reminds me of Halo2 in some respects, and I would recommend it to anyone who's into the Halo type gameplay.

Facts:
Nintendo makes and has made profits on all of their consoles thus far since their inception.
Sony and Microsoft have lost money, and Sony is still losing money on each PS2 they sell. Sony loses about $300 off each PS3 console, and with games @ $60, it makes it incredibly difficult to afford.

I see nothing wrong with the Xbox360, however, I prefer the PS3 controller to the Xbox/Wii.

Because the 360 has been out for over a year, it will hold the market for next gen for a while, but the Wii will definately make 2nd place by next yr.

Fonceai · Dec 11, 2006, 11:18 am

I just don't foresee developers jumping at the PS3.

The console itself is too expensive, the technology is untested, and the programming language complexity is entirely new.

If I get a next gen console, I'll first get a Wii to replace my Gamecube.

Then I'll get an XBox 360 for the couple games here and there that aren't PC or cross-console.

Nintendo is happy to be a profitable third place. Now they might be a happy and profitable second place.

Also, I find the Nintendo players are a different type of gamer than X360 gamers. X360 gamers seem like they have something to prove. Either online or with the X360 as a status symbol, they don't really have the depth of video game skill as someone who started on PC's and the 8-bit Nintendo.

They're "one hit wonders" good for one or two genre's of game. PS-3 and X360 are angled towards that type of player, the status symbol, one genre player. Wii is for the casual. These days, the casual is starting to come out on top as games become more expensive and elaborately complex.

Kuroko · Dec 14, 2006, 07:46 am

I will agree with all points, except the Wii being in second place.
As it stands if Nintendo can maintain a strong third party base it should see a number of interesting games crop up over the coming years.

Not to mention Nintendo has shown a strong supporting thus far with it's third party developers who worked on the first number of release titles (Ubi soft making a markable impression), no one can deny that Nintendo's strongest selling point to date has been it's first party games however it's second party games were also of notable quality, Rare being the biggest example at the time before being sold to Microsoft.

The way Nintendo is shaping the Wii to be however is an easily developed, cheap to play and profitable system in general, if Nintendo maintains it's level of support to third party developers much like they assisted Rare with it's development of Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Banjo Kazooie and Donkey Kong 64 hopefully a lot of third party developers feel as comfortable developing for Nintendo (and many people would be hoping as creative as well) as Rare.

The XBox also has a strong leg to stand on, in comparison to the PS3 it certainly is a lot easier to develop for not to mention Xbox has shown a good level of support for it's third party developers as well in terms of advertisment especially, I believe Microsoft has realised it is the games which sell the console.

The PS3 has the hardest challange ahead, while Sony has proven it's console is THE one to have, this time Sony seems to have sold themselves short on production numbers, this may not seem like such a large problem now, however consumer support will fade eventually especially arround the tail end of the consumer group, for example a person who is saving up a sum of money to buy the PS3 gets so frustrated at being unable to purchase one decides to buy one of (or both of) the other consoles.

These numbers are honestly uncountable at the end of the day.

In any case, Nintendo has always held thier fan base, not to mention no matter what console of thiers some one has purchased there has always been a number of must have titles on it.

While banking on high numbers of games may be low, there IS the guarentee that a certain amount of must-have/must-play games will come along.

Hardware will be my next point.

Devout_Muslim · Jan 15, 2007, 02:34 pm

Kuroku, completely irrelevant, but if you wanted to be extra witty, you could add "Nerd: 100%" to the bottom of your sig.

Praxius · Jan 15, 2007, 03:37 pm

I personally lost my interest in the XboX's mainly because of the first XboX. I hated the controller and it made playing games difficult for me. Besides the 360 having some cool graphic capabilities, that's pretty much the only thing I see as an advantage.

The PS3 to me is a big disappointment, much like the PS2 was for me. For the cost of the console and it's lame attempt at additional motion sensoring in the controller, I don't see much of an improvement from the PS2, except graphics.

The Wii.... I'm biased, what can I say...... I love it.

The last generation of consoles, my favorite was the Gamecube 100%. The controller was the best imo, the loading time was fast, the graphics were awsome, the ability to have 4 players on one console, the game lineup, everything was impressive.... a huge jump from the N64. The only thing that killed the gamecube against the other consoles, was the marketing for kids yet again. It was a very good console, the best in my opinion since the SNES.

I'm getting a Wii next month, and my reasons are as follows:

- Low price

- Unique Controller capabilities (Nunchuck)

- Online capabilities

- Nintendo Backwards compatibility. Gamecube controllers, memory cards and games all work with the Wii.

- Ability to purchase and install original NES, SuperNES, N64, Sega Genisis, and Turbo Graphics 16 games onto the Wii..... aka... all nintendo consoles+ in one system.

- Compatible controller for older generation console games available.

- Exercise while playing.

and many other reasons I can't think about right now... besides me always being a nintendo kid.

Fonceai · Jan 15, 2007, 06:38 pm

How exactly do you use the older Nintendo games on the Wii?

kubedawg · Jan 16, 2007, 03:52 am

I would view the Wii as a novelty, and the XBOX 360 as a gaming system, and the PS3 a home theater system.

And with the upgrade for the 360 to include an HD/DVD player, it makes the 360 look considerably better than the PS3 aside from the loudness of it.

RickSp · Jan 16, 2007, 08:30 am

Quote:

Quote by: Fonceai

How exactly do you use the older Nintendo games on the Wii?

The Game Cube games play directly on the Wii. The older games are available for sale on the Wii itself via the wirelesss internet connection. My kids downloaded a N64 Mario game that they are playing a lot these days. It cost ten bucks. I think the even older games are cheaper. They use the old Game Cube controllers.

The lesson of the Wii is that brute force technology is not all there is to gaming. I could frankly give a rat's ass about whether or not the graphics are HD. The Wii motion sensors make gaming more fun and more accessible to non-hard core gamers. That is what matters to me.

Fonceai · Jan 16, 2007, 08:52 am

I have found the Wii more fun than the other two.

And are the old games downloaded directly to the HD, then?

Is there anything improved about them?

I have all the NES and SNES games on my computer on emulators... is there any benefit to Wii'ing them?

RickSp · Jan 16, 2007, 09:15 am

Quote:

Quote by: Fonceai

I have found the Wii more fun than the other two.

And are the old games downloaded directly to the HD, then?

Is there anything improved about them?

I have all the NES and SNES games on my computer on emulators... is there any benefit to Wii'ing them?

The games are downloaded directly from the Wii store. If you have the old games already I doubt that there is much advantage to playing them on the Wii unless the controller or monitor is better on the Wii than on your computer. Also the games are cheap and go way back. Not sure why anyone would necessarily want to play old Sega Geneisis games, but they are available too if anyone has any old favorites.

Fonceai · Jan 16, 2007, 09:26 am

Heh... I have Sega Genesis emulated games already.

But I still enjoy buying the PS2 compilations of the best old games from Atari, Arcade, Activision, Sega, etc.

Regardless, I noticed that some games on the Wii might actually be easier to play using the Gamecube controller instead of the Wii-mote.

Praxius · Jan 16, 2007, 02:23 pm

Quote:

Quote by: Fonceai

I have found the Wii more fun than the other two.

And are the old games downloaded directly to the HD, then?

Is there anything improved about them?

I have all the NES and SNES games on my computer on emulators... is there any benefit to Wii'ing them?

Nintendo games are $5
Super Nintendo games are $10
N64 games are suppose to be $15
and Gamecube games are already compatible.
This could be Canadian prices, I'm not sure, but they're cheap.
There is also Genisis and Turbo16 games.

Theya re the exact same as what they used to be. Same sounds and controls. You download them directly from Nintendo, and are uploaded to your Wii.

You can either use the Gamecube controller or the Wii controller they have available.

The only benefit of them on the Wii, is to actually have it on the TV once again and a well reviewed controller that surprisingly is compatible to all the games on all the systems.

So in a nutshell you can have 7 consoles on one.

Nintendo also boasts that as long as you have a high speed connection, the Wii will be in constant connection with Nintendo, and Nintendo will send a list of updated to the Wii annually, so when you wake up in the morning or turn it on, you'll see a bunch of new features, etc.

There are also other features I haven't even touched on, like local weather, news, online personal avatar character for playing online with other Wii players, etc.

Here's a link to a list of features:

Nintendo Wii

Fonceai · Jan 16, 2007, 02:26 pm

Yeah, I knew about that stuff. I just didn't see the justification in paying for games that you can accidentally download and emulate for free.

I don't even think it's illegal to download games that are that old, is it?

I think EULA's expire X number of years after the game is released, and the old NES are all past due, making them free license.

Praxius · Jan 16, 2007, 08:29 pm

Quote:

Quote by: Fonceai

I don't even think it's illegal to download games that are that old, is it?

Last I checked, unless you actually own the physical copy of the game, it is illegal to store a ROM of the game on your computer and must remove it within 24 hours of downloading.

"Technically"

Cephus · Jan 16, 2007, 09:54 pm

Seriously, I have zero interest in either the 360 or the PS3, they're both too expensive for a game system. Both of them are trying to be a multimedia center, but I have zero interest in that, I already have my multimedia set up, I don't need an HD-DVD or BluRay and I don't want to pay extra for crap I really don't care about.

There is no game system, NONE, that will ever be worth $500. Ever. I don't care if you coated it in 24K gold.

Once there are more decent games out for the Wii, I'll buy one. Otherwise, I'm ignoring the next gen consoles this time, and probably forevermore.

Praxius · Jan 17, 2007, 09:16 am

Quote:

Quote by: Cephus

Seriously, I have zero interest in either the 360 or the PS3, they're both too expensive for a game system. Both of them are trying to be a multimedia center, but I have zero interest in that, I already have my multimedia set up, I don't need an HD-DVD or BluRay and I don't want to pay extra for crap I really don't care about.

There is no game system, NONE, that will ever be worth $500. Ever. I don't care if you coated it in 24K gold.

Once there are more decent games out for the Wii, I'll buy one. Otherwise, I'm ignoring the next gen consoles this time, and probably forevermore.

That's a good logical reasoning.

I too don't understand it when they jack the prices up to half a grand for a game console......

Unless it could do almost everything a PC can, I wouldn't even fathom putting it's price near a PC's value.

Not including the monitor, keyboard and mouse, you can get a PC tower that's more powerful then the 360 or the PS3 for the same price..... and you could do much more with it, so I don't get the prices.

Dec 10, 2006, 01:00 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Kuroko Igneous Magma Posts: 305	Console War: PS3 vs. Wii vs. Xbox360 While there is already a thread highlighting some of the antics and happenings of the Sony Playstation 3 launch I figure there is enough merrit for a stand alone thread on the arguements people may have as to which console is better then the other. Indeed for many different reasons, by now I believe it would be irrelevant to go over what each one has going for them, if Sony's $150m add compaign has not reached you or Microsoft's almost as impressive efforts in the states or you just tuned out during E3 '06 then consoles are probobly not for you any way (in terms of debating over thier finer points). For the rest of us, our entertainment matters some what, one form of entertainment is also debating. I want to hear some reasons people cite thier picks for the victors of the next console war. Deist: 38% Scientist: 29% Debator: 15% Mathematician: 19%

Dec 11, 2006, 10:35 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
kubedawg Magma Posts: 1,032	PS3 is like taking a Wii, an Xbox360 and a Bluray DVD player and mixing em together, on crack. Nuff said about that. The Wii has only a few good titles so far that interest me, mainly Zelda, however, I have used a PS3 and they have Madden 07 which Wii also has, however, I get full 720p/1080i res on my TV, so it's better than the Wii version. Resistance - Fall of Man is an awesome game that reminds me of Halo2 in some respects, and I would recommend it to anyone who's into the Halo type gameplay. Facts: Nintendo makes and has made profits on all of their consoles thus far since their inception. Sony and Microsoft have lost money, and Sony is still losing money on each PS2 they sell. Sony loses about $300 off each PS3 console, and with games @ $60, it makes it incredibly difficult to afford. I see nothing wrong with the Xbox360, however, I prefer the PS3 controller to the Xbox/Wii. Because the 360 has been out for over a year, it will hold the market for next gen for a while, but the Wii will definately make 2nd place by next yr. "You can only see as far as you think." Economic Left/Right: -1.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.90 Addiction is only the failure of one's will power.

Dec 14, 2006, 07:46 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
Kuroko Igneous Magma Posts: 305	I will agree with all points, except the Wii being in second place. As it stands if Nintendo can maintain a strong third party base it should see a number of interesting games crop up over the coming years. Not to mention Nintendo has shown a strong supporting thus far with it's third party developers who worked on the first number of release titles (Ubi soft making a markable impression), no one can deny that Nintendo's strongest selling point to date has been it's first party games however it's second party games were also of notable quality, Rare being the biggest example at the time before being sold to Microsoft. The way Nintendo is shaping the Wii to be however is an easily developed, cheap to play and profitable system in general, if Nintendo maintains it's level of support to third party developers much like they assisted Rare with it's development of Goldeneye, Perfect Dark, Banjo Kazooie and Donkey Kong 64 hopefully a lot of third party developers feel as comfortable developing for Nintendo (and many people would be hoping as creative as well) as Rare. The XBox also has a strong leg to stand on, in comparison to the PS3 it certainly is a lot easier to develop for not to mention Xbox has shown a good level of support for it's third party developers as well in terms of advertisment especially, I believe Microsoft has realised it is the games which sell the console. The PS3 has the hardest challange ahead, while Sony has proven it's console is THE one to have, this time Sony seems to have sold themselves short on production numbers, this may not seem like such a large problem now, however consumer support will fade eventually especially arround the tail end of the consumer group, for example a person who is saving up a sum of money to buy the PS3 gets so frustrated at being unable to purchase one decides to buy one of (or both of) the other consoles. These numbers are honestly uncountable at the end of the day. In any case, Nintendo has always held thier fan base, not to mention no matter what console of thiers some one has purchased there has always been a number of must have titles on it. While banking on high numbers of games may be low, there IS the guarentee that a certain amount of must-have/must-play games will come along. Hardware will be my next point. Deist: 38% Scientist: 29% Debator: 15% Mathematician: 19%

Jan 16, 2007, 03:52 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
kubedawg Magma Posts: 1,032	I would view the Wii as a novelty, and the XBOX 360 as a gaming system, and the PS3 a home theater system. And with the upgrade for the 360 to include an HD/DVD player, it makes the 360 look considerably better than the PS3 aside from the loudness of it. "You can only see as far as you think." Economic Left/Right: -1.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.90 Addiction is only the failure of one's will power.

Jan 16, 2007, 09:54 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
Cephus Hot Lava Location: Redlands, CA Posts: 2,258	Seriously, I have zero interest in either the 360 or the PS3, they're both too expensive for a game system. Both of them are trying to be a multimedia center, but I have zero interest in that, I already have my multimedia set up, I don't need an HD-DVD or BluRay and I don't want to pay extra for crap I really don't care about. There is no game system, NONE, that will ever be worth $500. Ever. I don't care if you coated it in 24K gold. Once there are more decent games out for the Wii, I'll buy one. Otherwise, I'm ignoring the next gen consoles this time, and probably forevermore. Jesus loves me? No thanks, I don't swing that way. Blog Me! http://BitchSpot.JadeDragonOnline.com

Dec 11, 2006, 11:18 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Fonceai BANNED Location: New York Posts: 4,217	I just don't foresee developers jumping at the PS3. The console itself is too expensive, the technology is untested, and the programming language complexity is entirely new. If I get a next gen console, I'll first get a Wii to replace my Gamecube. Then I'll get an XBox 360 for the couple games here and there that aren't PC or cross-console. Nintendo is happy to be a profitable third place. Now they might be a happy and profitable second place. Also, I find the Nintendo players are a different type of gamer than X360 gamers. X360 gamers seem like they have something to prove. Either online or with the X360 as a status symbol, they don't really have the depth of video game skill as someone who started on PC's and the 8-bit Nintendo. They're "one hit wonders" good for one or two genre's of game. PS-3 and X360 are angled towards that type of player, the status symbol, one genre player. Wii is for the casual. These days, the casual is starting to come out on top as games become more expensive and elaborately complex.

Jan 15, 2007, 02:34 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
Devout_Muslim Molten Ash Posts: 31	Kuroku, completely irrelevant, but if you wanted to be extra witty, you could add "Nerd: 100%" to the bottom of your sig.

Jan 15, 2007, 03:37 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
Praxius Mass'Debator Posts: 4,724	I personally lost my interest in the XboX's mainly because of the first XboX. I hated the controller and it made playing games difficult for me. Besides the 360 having some cool graphic capabilities, that's pretty much the only thing I see as an advantage. The PS3 to me is a big disappointment, much like the PS2 was for me. For the cost of the console and it's lame attempt at additional motion sensoring in the controller, I don't see much of an improvement from the PS2, except graphics. The Wii.... I'm biased, what can I say...... I love it. The last generation of consoles, my favorite was the Gamecube 100%. The controller was the best imo, the loading time was fast, the graphics were awsome, the ability to have 4 players on one console, the game lineup, everything was impressive.... a huge jump from the N64. The only thing that killed the gamecube against the other consoles, was the marketing for kids yet again. It was a very good console, the best in my opinion since the SNES. I'm getting a Wii next month, and my reasons are as follows: - Low price - Unique Controller capabilities (Nunchuck) - Online capabilities - Nintendo Backwards compatibility. Gamecube controllers, memory cards and games all work with the Wii. - Ability to purchase and install original NES, SuperNES, N64, Sega Genisis, and Turbo Graphics 16 games onto the Wii..... aka... all nintendo consoles+ in one system. - Compatible controller for older generation console games available. - Exercise while playing. and many other reasons I can't think about right now... besides me always being a nintendo kid.

Jan 15, 2007, 06:38 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Fonceai BANNED Location: New York Posts: 4,217	How exactly do you use the older Nintendo games on the Wii?

Jan 16, 2007, 08:52 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
Fonceai BANNED Location: New York Posts: 4,217	I have found the Wii more fun than the other two. And are the old games downloaded directly to the HD, then? Is there anything improved about them? I have all the NES and SNES games on my computer on emulators... is there any benefit to Wii'ing them?

Jan 16, 2007, 09:26 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
Fonceai BANNED Location: New York Posts: 4,217	Heh... I have Sega Genesis emulated games already. But I still enjoy buying the PS2 compilations of the best old games from Atari, Arcade, Activision, Sega, etc. Regardless, I noticed that some games on the Wii might actually be easier to play using the Gamecube controller instead of the Wii-mote.

Jan 16, 2007, 02:26 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
Fonceai BANNED Location: New York Posts: 4,217	Yeah, I knew about that stuff. I just didn't see the justification in paying for games that you can accidentally download and emulate for free. I don't even think it's illegal to download games that are that old, is it? I think EULA's expire X number of years after the game is released, and the old NES are all past due, making them free license.