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    child love is

    Children have the right to say no?

    * Did the children have the right to say no when we bring them to school, put them to bed, etc. etc.?
    * Have the children the right to say yes also?
    * If they have only the right to say no but not yes, that means they have no choice to say otherwise. Is this really a right?

    child love is good for this society if given the right to say no to love they must have the right to say yes no matter what the age...

    A case of child sex-law abuse?

    * Not giving food to a hungry child is child abuse.
    * Not giving sex to a sex hungry child should also be child abuse.
    * Hence, the current child protection law is another form of child sex abuse.
    * The current child pornography law strengthens the abuse further by:
    o punishing not only the “feeders”, but also those who pretend to be feeding the child
    o postponing the legal age of the child to be fed.

    what dose this have to do with child love a lot more then you think.. child love is the people who do not wish to be in the same category as molesters... because their need are not the same... where a molester is out for sex with someone from any age group by force a child lover is not... they are in it for love...
    for all you that will use that agents what i am trying to explain Love is a basic dimension of human experience that is variously conveyed as a sense of tender affection, an intense attraction, the foundation of intimacy and good interpersonal chemistry, willing self-sacrifice on behalf of another, and as an ineffable sense of affinity or connection to nature, other living beings, or even that which is unseen. It manifests itself in feelings, emotion, behavior, thoughts, perception and attitude. It influences, underlies and defines major patterns in interpersonal relationships and self-identification.

    The diverse range of meanings associated with the English word contrasts with the plurality of Greek words for love, reflecting the depth, versatility, and complexity of the concept. This diversity of meanings is reflected in the many distinct classifications of love including romantic love; sexual desire; platonic love; religious love; familial love; true love; and the more casual application of the term to anything pleasurable, enjoyable, desirable, or preferred, including activities and favorite foods.

    further more Pedophilia Definition is as follows The word comes from the Greek paidophilia (παιδοφιλία)—pais (παις, "child") and philia (φιλία, "love, friendship").

    but somehow these people have been put in the same class as molesters
    the term pedophile is also used colloquially to denote significantly older adults who are sexually attracted to adolescents below the local age of consent,[1] as well as those who have sexually abused a child.

    yet here are the differences
    The term paedophilia erotica was coined in 1886 by the Vienna psychiatrist Richard von Krafft-Ebing in his writing Psychopathia Sexualis.[4] He gave the following characteristics:

    * the sexual interest is toward children, either prepubescent or at the beginning of puberty
    * the sexual interest is the primary one, that is, exclusively or mainly toward children
    * the sexual interest remains over time
    Strictly speaking, this definition would include many adolescents and prepubescents, for whom such an interest might be normal; thus, some experts add the criterion that the interest be toward children at least five years younger than the subject. See entry for sexologist Dr. John Money.

    Krafft-Ebing also categorized child molesters into three types:

    * a.) pedophile,
    * b.) surrogate (that is, the child is regarded as a surrogate object for a preferred, non-available adult object)
    * c.) sadistic.

    so the fact that the child love would stay with the girl over the years suggest love because even if their is a sexual need... it is not bound just to sex
    not only that but what about older child lovers what did they do and how do we get rid of them

    No market, no pedophiles?

    * No porno market, no rapists? No violent movies, no violence……?
    * What are the causes for pedophilia?
    * Would the pedophiles become more dangerous without pornographic outlet?
    * Pedophiles are punished for what they read or for they are interested in, not for what they have done!
    * Discrimination based on sexual inclination?
    * Famous pedophiles:
    o Lewis Carroll : “Alice in Wonderland”
    o James Barrie: “Peter Pan"

    i would like to end this with something from china
    Some writing from a Chinese female:

    "Love is not the same thing as sexual coercion."

    "I must oppose age-consent laws as I oppose any form of tyranny which works on the assumption that liberty is unnecessary. I must agree that I am opposed to any form of legal age, the assumption is unnecessary tyranny, freedom works."

    "It may be true, Jai children are always a mystery in people's minds. It may be true that physical affection and warmth will forever be lost in the abyss of ignorance. It may be true, the intimacy and warmth is always lost in the abyss of ignorance. It may be true that justice will fall victim to merciless brutality. affection and kindness that have no place in society. that considering everything of value. liberty can not be found -- but it is the heart of the Humanitarians and the lovers of youth and compassion to oppose these possibilities with every ounce of strength that can be mustered. It may be true, justice will suffer ruthless, affection and kindness, not in the community, value freedom everywhere but can not find the heart -- love and compassion, humanitarian and youth mustered forces do our best against such a possibility."

    Nice to see a similar point of view, written through the perspective of a person living in a very different country, speaking a very different language.

    A source I found said Jai means "heart" in Thai.
    "i dont agree with a word you say, but ill defend to the death your right to say it"-voltaire

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    and in no way am i saying sex with kids under ten is ok
    "i dont agree with a word you say, but ill defend to the death your right to say it"-voltaire

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    i am just saying are we going to far
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    Quote Quote by: talinh View Post
    * Not giving sex to a sex hungry child should also be child abuse.
    Ok, I've read enough, sicko.

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    Quote Quote by: compugasm
    Ok, I've read enough, sicko.
    Quote Quote by: THE RULES
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    You don't like what he says, either debate it or take a hike, bigot.

    Anyway, with regards to the OP, while I completely agree that consensual child-adult sex is perfectly acceptable, there are problems with legalising it. Legally speaking, how do you differentiate between the child lovers and the child abusers? Sure, child sex can be judged on a case to case basis but there still must be a definite objective law which the participants either are or are not in breach of. I honestly can't see a way of incorporating child sex into an objective legal system without also legitimising child abuse.

    That said, I am in favour of lowering the age of consent. I don't think anyone can convincingly argue that a teenager is unable to give consent, so lowering it to thirteen seems like a good idea to me. Of course this age is as arbitrary as the current one, but you have to draw the line somewhere.

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    that is true i dont real find anyone under ten able to give consent.. haveing looked up laws around the world and lookin at how that effects their society...
    in most with a younger aoc their is not really any rape case's and if their is its not with children... i hate sayin it but as with any other group their is the small fact that with any main group comes the swingers and others... but their is a big different's between just sex and child molesters use force and even surrogate (that is, the child is regarded as a surrogate object for a preferred, non-available adult object) and are sadistic

    as most people who fear their kids growing up... we are makein it harder on them they watch their parents get beaten and learn that thats ok i started out havening a relationship's at the age of 7 and yes they where adult relationships my first one was really abusive for the both of us i learned that
    that is not what loves about... in fact it made me a better man.. i am not just saying this because my aoa i am saying this because if we keep going down the road we are on their will be a rise in crime and i am not just saying crime with child molesters or child lovers involved i am also talkin about kids made to beleave that you should not ever touch some one you care about... like a teacher.... even though i am talkin about the child love who just goes to court
    expecting to die in jail and dose not because the child that he or she loves will not speak agents him/her... so that kid is thrown in jail...what are we teachin that kid if you dont do what the government says your gonna end up in jail....
    if you love who you want to love then he will end up in jail.. unless you dont tell them then its you who ends up in jail...

    i am not only talkin about small crime either i am talkin about government crimes two
    if kids are tough to follow a government blindly then that government has power over the people... when we show kids that whatever the government says has to be followed we are teachin them to depend on a controlling power we are teachin them that its not ok to be different and those who are different end up fighting and livin their life out in jail

    why did i bring this subject up here because when their are case's of children raping children its going to far i use to be an anti child lover like most of you
    whale i was out bashing child lovers i took the time to read what they where saying... i took the time to look at court case's that ied hate my kids to have to endure as i started changing i talked to some of them and to my suprize i found out that their most cherish times where not sex with a kid most the time its was just havein the child around.. or a time that kid cared...

    last but not lest by makeing it a taboo you are defeating you propose with any taboo it make people wonder and more people start doing it
    my fears are not base for child lovers alone by doing this their will be more molesters and child loves comming out because they want to be the bad boy cause they want to stained agents the government.. or just because their parents sed they could never do that... i dont expect any of you to understand the complexity of all this but i would like you to look into it rather then going about it with ignorance...because i know all of you are brilliant people
    "i dont agree with a word you say, but ill defend to the death your right to say it"-voltaire

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    If you love children, bring some into this world, and defend them against sexual predetors, if my daughter ( 11) wants to play around with her age group friends thats OK but if some guy ten years or more here age wants to play i say he has serious problems

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    I was watching a TV program, Boston Legal, a few days ago. They had a case involving an anorexic sixteen year old girl. As I watched, a question occurred to me.

    Anorexics are usually young women who reduce their calorie intake so they undergo extreme weight loss. We have to ask what motivates them to adopt this apparently self-destructive behavior? Consider the physical changes that occur as a result of anorexia. Menstruation stops, breasts and buttocks shrink so that the woman is flat-chested and has a very flat rear end, arm and leg diameters decrease severely. The anorexic sees all of these as very physically attractive. A question is, to whom are they attractive?

    Consider that these characteristics are also found in prepubescent girls. It would seem that males who find these qualities attractive are pedophiles. Is it possible that young women anorexics are trying to make themselves appealing to pedophiles? If this is the case we may want to examine the history of anorexic girls to see if they had one or more positive sexual experiences with an adult male when they were children, and they are trying to attract similar males by making themselves look more like preteens.

    Occam

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    good point occam
    i have talked to most of these child lovers and i have found that all the one i have talked to are willing to stay with the girl they love even when they grow up to most true girl lovers it is not about their age its about the person

    now as for Anorexics a lot of those people where pushed in to modeling and tough that any fat is bad because in this society fat is very wrong even though most of us are fat.. its part of the view t.v. puts out to the people

    how many good child lover movies have you seen? how many ware their is a child molester?
    by usein this image to depict child lovers they are gonna start to think if you love a kid the only right thing to do is kidnap them and rape them
    is i right to put out a false view of child lovers at what cost will we realize that even though their is a bad side to child love their is a good side.


    and this is for kids yes kids jose you sed if your 11 year old girl was playin with a 10 year older or more man but what about if your 27 year old girl was fallin in love with a kid i am not sayin this because i dont think you have a right to want the best for your kid... i am sayin this because if she found out that she loved some one so young she would be devastated... not only that but then she would think that just because she is different and all the laws are agents her she has nothing to lose and yes jose their is a large part of the child love group that is lady's not only that i talked to a 15 year old who was a girl and she was a girl love her age range was let me see 7-13 because she felt like this she felt the need to cut herself and alot of the time i spinet talkin her out of killin herself now put your kid in her place...

    and yes the father is agents child love when he found out it made it worst...
    just so you know their is no cure you have to except that you love kids and you will never be able to express it.. that is all they do for you unless you act on it then you could spend the rest of you life in jail... so even though it may not be your kid think of the others is it right to do this to our youth its their life let them love who they want to love and if the relationship is a bad one tell them about it dont just say you can or cant do something its not you life its hers and even if you tell her it is wrong she may do it anyways

    by the way that 15 year old girl would face a charge of child rape and have a sentace of min 10 max life if she did anything if your girl 11 had sex she would face the same charges even if the kid was in the same age range
    and sex play is common with children
    "i dont agree with a word you say, but ill defend to the death your right to say it"-voltaire

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    i would like to hear some really good reason why child love shouldent be allowed
    by the way i have read in parenting books that after ten years old children dont take advice from their parents anymore they already have the ideals that will forever be a part of them so let hear from other parents and from non parents

    do you think just because a child lover has a kid he or she will end up haveing sex with them?

    let discuss this
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    fire power for both sides

    childlove movement - Anarchopedia

    their are studies in those other sites too if you read this you could understaind and this is from a third party that try's to be indifferent
    "i dont agree with a word you say, but ill defend to the death your right to say it"-voltaire

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    Notice: Volconvo does not condone pedophilia. The opinions expressed here belong to their respective posters. Illegal behavior is often discussed in our forums without issue, but such socially unacceptable and cruel behavior is an exception from the norm.

    I will allow this conversation to continue so long as it remains constructive. At the point where this thread includes any material that may assist an individual in carrying out actions related to pedophilia, it will be immediate closed and removed.

    Volconvo values free expression of ideas. Dialogue facilitates education and the search for truth. However, there are limits—ones which are now being tested.

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