child love is

[GHook93]

Quote by: jose If you love children, bring some into this world, and defend them against sexual predetors, if my daughter ( 11) wants to play around with her age group friends thats OK but if some guy ten years or more here age wants to play i say he has serious problems

Amen

[Gods_Mercenary]

A child is unable to properly knowwhat is good for his or herself. Children also respect and naturally and rightfully hold adults as figures of authority and guidance. If you manipulate these weaknesses to your own sexual gain, you are sick.

For all these reasons, sexual actions with any sort of child are are disgusting and unequivicolly wrong.

[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary A child is unable to properly knowwhat is good for his or herself. Children also respect and naturally and rightfully hold adults as figures of authority and guidance. If you manipulate these weaknesses to your own sexual gain, you are sick. For all these reasons, sexual actions with any sort of child are are disgusting and unequivicolly wrong.

Can you prove that this is the case for all childen?

[Kamehameha34]

Quote by: The Bacon Guy Can you prove that this is the case for all childen?

That is the definition of child.

Look at the first definition.

[The Bacon Guy]

"a person between birth and full growth; a boy or girl"?

What's your point?

[Chris]

Bacon Guy,

We need to be clear, you and anyone else advocating "Child Love" need to define when you think "child love" is ok. Post puberty? Pre puberty?

[Kamehameha34]

Quote by: The Bacon Guy "a person between birth and full growth; a boy or girl"? What's your point?

How can someone not yet fully grown be expected to make appropriate decisions about sex with someone who is?

The adult, being the more mature one, will be predisposed to control the situation; I feel that one person having more control than another in this situation would constitute rape.

[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: Chris We need to be clear, you and anyone else advocating "Child Love" need to define when you think "child love" is ok. Post puberty? Pre puberty?

I think sex with anyone who is emotionally mature enough is morally acceptable, regardless of age. Note, I am not advocating the legalisation of adult-child sex, since I don't see how it could work in practice without allowing children who are not emotionally mature to be taken advantage of. I just have a problem with people claiming that all child-adult sex is immoral and that no child is emotionally mature enough to consent.

[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: kamehameha How can someone not yet fully grown be expected to make appropriate decisions about sex with someone who is?

The definition of child which you provided is a physical one, saying only that the individual is between birth and full growth. It does not mention emotional maturity, so it can't be used to validate the claim that no children are emotionally capable of consenting to sex.

[Kamehameha34]

Who says the definition is physical?

"Child" can be applied to many things. Emotionally immature, physically immature, or both.

Think of it this way:

You keep trying to define an age of which a person can be considered a "child". I say that that age varies, so the term "child" applies to anyone devoid of maturity that comes with adulthood, which includes proper judgment about sex.

[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: kamehameha Who says the definition is physical? "Child" can be applied to many things. Emotionally immature, physically immature, or both.

"between birth and full growth"

Birth is a pysical process.

Quote by: kamehameha You keep trying to define an age of which a person can be considered a "child". I say that that age varies, so the term "child" applies to anyone devoid of maturity that comes with adulthood, which includes proper judgment about sex.

Well, if you're going to define a child as someone who is not mature enough to consent to sex, there is obviously no debate over whether a child can consent. I on the other hand am working on the legal definition of child, i.e someone under 16 (or 18 in your country).

Edit: that was woking on the assumption that you're from the US.

[Chris]

Quote by: The Bacon Guy I think sex with anyone who is emotionally mature enough is morally acceptable, regardless of age. Note, I am not advocating the legalisation of adult-child sex, since I don't see how it could work in practice without allowing children who are not emotionally mature to be taken advantage of. I just have a problem with people claiming that all child-adult sex is immoral and that no child is emotionally mature enough to consent.

I am not talking about an age, I am talking about a physical development.

It seems to me you are skirting the issue. Please answer me directly.

[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: Chris I am not talking about an age, I am talking about a physical development. It seems to me you are skirting the issue. Please answer me directly.

I thought had answered you. Ok, let me spell it out. I believe that sex with anyone who is emotionally mature enough is morally acceptable regardless of other factors, i.e. age and stage of development. So whether they are post or pre-pubescent is irrelevant, unless the sex is going to cause long term physical damage.

[Kamehameha34]

Quote by: The Bacon Guy "between birth and full growth" Birth is a pysical process.

It also marks the start of your mental development. Look at the 6th definition.

Well, if you're going to define a child as someone who is not mature enough to consent to sex, there is obviously no debate over whether a child can consent. I on the other hand am working on the legal definition of child, i.e someone under 16 (or 18 in your country).

There's really nothing to debate, then, seeing as whatever age you come up with will just be the result of an accumulation of subjective opinions.

Edit: that was woking on the assumption that you're from the US.

I am.

[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: kamehameha It also marks the start of your mental development. Look at the 6th definition.

The original definition of child, to wit "a person between birth and full growth" does not specify birth of mental development; it simply says birth. It is therefore safe to assume that it was referring to the specific and commonly used definition of birth, that is "the act or process of bearing or bringing forth offspring".

Quote by: kamehameha There's really nothing to debate, then, seeing as whatever age you come up with will just be the result of an accumulation of subjective opinions.

Of course it is subjective, which is why I am not in favour of legalising child-adult sex. My point was that the subjectivity of determining an acceptable age means that you can't claim that all child-adult sex is non-consensual.

[Kamehameha34]

Quote by: The Bacon Guy The original definition of child, to wit "a person between birth and full growth" does not specify birth of mental development; it simply says birth. It is therefore safe to assume that it was referring to the specific and commonly used definition of birth, that is "the act or process of bearing or bringing forth offspring".

Regardless, birth marks the beginning of your mental development.
Once again, the definition can be applied to multiple things.
Someone with a lack of maturity could be considered a child. At any rate, that's the definition I'm using, so it really doesn't matter how many possible distortions there are

Of course it is subjective, which is why I am not in favour of legalising child-adult sex. My point was that the subjectivity of determining an acceptable age means that you can't claim that all child-adult sex is non-consensual.

You are still operating off of the physical definition of child. I am using the abstract definition. That is where our discrepencies lay.

[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: kamehameha Regardless, birth marks the beginning of your mental development. Once again, the definition can be applied to multiple things. Someone with a lack of maturity could be considered a child. At any rate, that's the definition I'm using, so it really doesn't matter how many possible distortions there are

Well, if that's the definition of child you've been working from, I agree with all you have said. Damn semantics...

Quote by: kamehameha You are still operating off of the physical definition of child. I am using the abstract definition. That is where our discrepencies lay.

Operating off the abstract definition of child, that is one who is emotionally immature, child-adult sex is unquestionably harmful. Operating off the legal definition of child, that is someone under 16 (or 18), it is impossible to say.

Sound fair?

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