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**Jack** · Dec 9, 2006, 11:25 pm

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A four-year-old hugged his teachers aide and was put into in-school suspension, according to the father. But La Vega school administrators have a different story.

Damarcus Blackwell's four-year-old son was lining-up to get on the bus after school last month, when he was accused of rubbing his face in the chest of a female employee.

The prinicipal of La Vega Primary School sent a letter to the Blackwells that said the pre-kindergartener demonstrated "inappropriate physical behavior interpreted as sexual contact and/or sexual harassment."

Blackwell says it's ridiculous that the aide would misread a hug from a four-year-old. Blackwell wrote to administrators demanding that the whole incident be expunged from his son's academic file because his son is too young to know what it means to act sexually.

David Davis, the executive director of the Advocacy Center in Waco tends to agree with Blackwell. He says assuming the boy has not had sexual encounters, or been inappropriately exposed to pornography, most four-year-olds are sexually innocent.

Blackwell got a response from the La Vega administration. The sexual references on the discipline referral were removed. But the thing that makes Blackwell most upset is they told him "your request for an apology by the aide and removal of all paperwork regarding this incident is denied." Now the young student's file will refer to the incident as "inappropriate physical contact." And Blackwell says he will continue to fight the district.

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Does anyone else think that this whole "treat them like little adults" line of nonsense is getting seriously out-of-hand? What next? This is the kind of collective stupidity that threatens our liberties and way of life. Gay marriage is only a potential problem. This crap is happening in real life.

talinh · Dec 9, 2006, 11:28 pm

every one is getting too worked up over this hes a kid

Kamehameha34 · Dec 9, 2006, 11:36 pm

Well, I think that we can't draw any conclusions from the article, itself. If the height of the student's head happened to be perpendicular to the height of the aide's breasts, then it's obvious that the incident should be overlooked. If the student walked up and blew a raspberry ... Well, a line has to be drawn somewhere.

talinh · Dec 10, 2006, 12:11 am

but raspberry's sexual misconduct? come on that will be in his school records forever its a kid come on he should'ent be condemned from the start

Kamehameha34 · Dec 10, 2006, 12:16 am

You can't claim to say, objectively, that he shouldn't. There article was too vague.

talinh · Dec 10, 2006, 12:39 am

They say they are too young to know what sex is and in the same breath they are accusing them of acting sexually inapproriately. which is it?

Kamehameha34 · Dec 10, 2006, 12:42 am

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They say they are too young to know what sex is

Who? His lawyers, an advocacy group, etc. Not those who convicted him.

talinh · Dec 10, 2006, 02:05 am

well his father is in this too and since he told them his son dosent know about sex that should be a really big clue

Kamehameha34 · Dec 10, 2006, 02:07 am

Oh, so children are free to do whatever they please as long as their parents say that they didn't do it?

talinh · Dec 10, 2006, 04:30 pm

ok i know how this stuff goes i have been threw the system for sexual contact
on me they dont just ask the father.. thay put the student threw a consular an see if he is mentally capable of doing what he is accused of their are a lot of reason i dont agree with this case one is i have gone threw something similar to what this kid is going threw

and no its not right for a kid to do whatever they want THEY HAVE TO BE TOUGH ABOUT WHATS RIGHT AND WRONG AND WHO BETTER THEN A TEACHER she could have told him and explained why he couldent do it not just send him home for it

Kamehameha34 · Dec 10, 2006, 05:46 pm

And if a child is predisposed to pursue inappropriate contact, that is something that people who could be affected by that need to know about.

another day · Dec 10, 2006, 05:58 pm

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Quote by: Kamehameha34

And if a child is predisposed to pursue inappropriate contact, that is something that people who could be affected by that need to know about.

OH PLEASE!!! You are being damn foolish! A four year old has absolutly NO SEXUALITY. Take your goddamn head out of the sand.

talinh · Dec 10, 2006, 06:05 pm

well masturbation starts in the womb

another day · Dec 10, 2006, 06:14 pm

Doesn't matter, the point is that a four year old doesn't understand it. Treating him like a calculating sexual predator is just about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

talinh · Dec 10, 2006, 06:16 pm

me too i just had to hear what you had to say about that i think this case is bull

Zinkovich · Dec 10, 2006, 07:33 pm

To me, the issue of how to treat our children in the system is not so black and white. People aren't "treating children like adults", their giving them all the tough parts of being adult and none of the perks(no intellectual respect, others "talking on their level" without assuming simplicity or stupidity, etc).

I don't understand how you think children are being treated as adults, when in most classes/campuses it is believed students should be submissive.

**Jack** · Dec 10, 2006, 08:31 pm

Look around. Society treats adults the same way most of the time. Do politicians give you credit for being able to think for yourself? Do advertisers appeal to your logical powers?

Zinkovich · Dec 10, 2006, 11:38 pm

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Quote by: Isherwood

Look around. Society treats adults the same way most of the time. Do politicians give you credit for being able to think for yourself? Do advertisers appeal to your logical powers?

Then perhaps the issue might not be how we as humans treat children, but other people in general.

Here's a provoking question: how do we not treat them like adults, and what constitutes treating someone "as a child"?

Fonceai · Dec 11, 2006, 08:04 am

I've been noticing with my daughter that the difference is that she doesn't understand the underlying meanings of what she does.

For example, last night she was falling asleep in my arms and she reached up and grabbed my shirt. Beneath the shirt was my nipple, which she squeezed and held onto as she pulled herself to a sitting position.

She didn't know what she did. No more so than when I'm sitting in the couch and she runs at me and falls forward and puts her head in my lap.

I'm not going to make a big deal out of it because then I will be teaching her the hidden meanings.

The kid in the article may very well have intended to shake his head between the aide's breasts, but that doens't mean he intended it sexually.

If anything, if the aide thinks of a 4-year old's behavior as sexual, she's the one who needs help.

pandaz xx · Dec 11, 2006, 12:14 pm

The case is complete bullshit.

That's like me saying that my 2 year old cousin gave me a hug & accidently touched me boob so I'm going to turn him in for touching me inappropriately.

They shouldn't have made that big of deal out of it.
The four year old touched your boob.
so what.
deal with it & get on with life.

not that hard.

Dec 9, 2006, 11:28 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
talinh a big thinker Posts: 69	that is wrong every one is getting too worked up over this hes a kid "i dont agree with a word you say, but ill defend to the death your right to say it"-voltaire

Dec 10, 2006, 12:11 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
talinh a big thinker Posts: 69	but raspberry's sexual misconduct? come on that will be in his school records forever its a kid come on he should'ent be condemned from the start "i dont agree with a word you say, but ill defend to the death your right to say it"-voltaire

Dec 10, 2006, 12:39 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
talinh a big thinker Posts: 69	They say they are too young to know what sex is and in the same breath they are accusing them of acting sexually inapproriately. which is it? "i dont agree with a word you say, but ill defend to the death your right to say it"-voltaire

Dec 10, 2006, 02:05 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
talinh a big thinker Posts: 69	well his father is in this too and since he told them his son dosent know about sex that should be a really big clue "i dont agree with a word you say, but ill defend to the death your right to say it"-voltaire

Dec 10, 2006, 04:30 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
talinh a big thinker Posts: 69	ok i know how this stuff goes i have been threw the system for sexual contact on me they dont just ask the father.. thay put the student threw a consular an see if he is mentally capable of doing what he is accused of their are a lot of reason i dont agree with this case one is i have gone threw something similar to what this kid is going threw and no its not right for a kid to do whatever they want THEY HAVE TO BE TOUGH ABOUT WHATS RIGHT AND WRONG AND WHO BETTER THEN A TEACHER she could have told him and explained why he couldent do it not just send him home for it "i dont agree with a word you say, but ill defend to the death your right to say it"-voltaire

Dec 9, 2006, 11:36 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Kamehameha34 The dingos! Posts: 4,331	Well, I think that we can't draw any conclusions from the article, itself. If the height of the student's head happened to be perpendicular to the height of the aide's breasts, then it's obvious that the incident should be overlooked. If the student walked up and blew a raspberry ... Well, a line has to be drawn somewhere.

Dec 10, 2006, 12:16 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
Kamehameha34 The dingos! Posts: 4,331	You can't claim to say, objectively, that he shouldn't. There article was too vague.

Dec 10, 2006, 02:07 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
Kamehameha34 The dingos! Posts: 4,331	Oh, so children are free to do whatever they please as long as their parents say that they didn't do it?

Dec 10, 2006, 05:46 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
Kamehameha34 The dingos! Posts: 4,331	And if a child is predisposed to pursue inappropriate contact, that is something that people who could be affected by that need to know about.

Dec 10, 2006, 06:05 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
talinh a big thinker Posts: 69	well masturbation starts in the womb "i dont agree with a word you say, but ill defend to the death your right to say it"-voltaire

Dec 10, 2006, 06:14 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
another day slipping sand Posts: 1,802	Doesn't matter, the point is that a four year old doesn't understand it. Treating him like a calculating sexual predator is just about the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard.

Dec 10, 2006, 06:16 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
talinh a big thinker Posts: 69	me too i just had to hear what you had to say about that i think this case is bull "i dont agree with a word you say, but ill defend to the death your right to say it"-voltaire

Dec 10, 2006, 07:33 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
Zinkovich Absolutely Superb Posts: 774	To me, the issue of how to treat our children in the system is not so black and white. People aren't "treating children like adults", their giving them all the tough parts of being adult and none of the perks(no intellectual respect, others "talking on their level" without assuming simplicity or stupidity, etc). I don't understand how you think children are being treated as adults, when in most classes/campuses it is believed students should be submissive.

Dec 10, 2006, 08:31 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 12,999	Look around. Society treats adults the same way most of the time. Do politicians give you credit for being able to think for yourself? Do advertisers appeal to your logical powers? The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Dec 11, 2006, 08:04 am	#19 (permalink) (top)
Fonceai BANNED Location: New York Posts: 4,217	I've been noticing with my daughter that the difference is that she doesn't understand the underlying meanings of what she does. For example, last night she was falling asleep in my arms and she reached up and grabbed my shirt. Beneath the shirt was my nipple, which she squeezed and held onto as she pulled herself to a sitting position. She didn't know what she did. No more so than when I'm sitting in the couch and she runs at me and falls forward and puts her head in my lap. I'm not going to make a big deal out of it because then I will be teaching her the hidden meanings. The kid in the article may very well have intended to shake his head between the aide's breasts, but that doens't mean he intended it sexually. If anything, if the aide thinks of a 4-year old's behavior as sexual, she's the one who needs help.

Dec 11, 2006, 12:14 pm	#20 (permalink) (top)
pandaz xx overweight ^_^ Location: 812-INDIANA Posts: 89	The case is complete bullshit. That's like me saying that my 2 year old cousin gave me a hug & accidently touched me boob so I'm going to turn him in for touching me inappropriately. They shouldn't have made that big of deal out of it. The four year old touched your boob. so what. deal with it & get on with life. not that hard.