US town may encourage all residents to arm up...

[Keith Hamburger]

Quote by: Praxius Nope...... humans do.... but if you limit the availability of a weapon, then it will of course be harder to obtain it, and thereby reduce the chances of the crime occuring..... not completely.... but a little.

You think so? You really think that passing gun laws will reduce crime? Even gun crime? You think that more restrictions on guns will make a society LESS violent?

Well, it seems the BBC disagrees.

BBC News | UK | A country in the crosshairs

"With both street robberies and gun crime on a sharp increase, there are fears that the two trends will overlap and young muggers will, more and more, graduate from knives to firearms. "

Personally, if my grandmother were still alive, and street crime were on the increase, I would prefer her to have a gun at hand, just in case the bad guy does. Will it make things completely equal, probably not. But, criminals target easy prey. Any resistance at all will reduce the total incidence of crime. Where the potential victims might carry guns, there's less crime. When the potential victims are almost guaranteed to be unarmed, crime increases. It's that simple.

Keith

[TheColdTruth]

Quote by: Apokalupsis The town has 400 residents and is out in the stix. It has under 20 streets total. [/i]How much crime can there be in that town that a bill would be introduced for the residents to arm themselves?

You're saying someone has to be the target of signifigant violent attack to have a reason to defend themselves?

Reminds me of how in california you need a "reason" to have a concealed carry permit in some counties. Being a woman that's 120 pounds soaking wet in a bad part of town isn't enough... you have to have been raped first to "need" one. Quintessential flaw in letting the state govern whether or not you "need" your rights.

If you want something right; you have to do it yourself. I carry a glock in my pocket wherever I got and I have a LISCENSE (read: not permit) to do so. Relying on someone else to get you through life is just irresponsible when you could do it yourself with a little planning. I also carry blankets and warm clothing in my trunk along with a fire extinguisher. I was in the boy scouts though...

[TheColdTruth]

Quote by: Praxius I personally would agree to better funding for the police departments and a revamp on how they operate...... to think: All I gotta say is.... Wow.... if that was the case.....

The long response time of the police to some rural communities is what prompts this. How secure do you really think you are if the closest police official is never closer than 20-30 minutes away?

Quote by: Keith Hamburger Personally, if my grandmother were still alive, and street crime were on the increase, I would prefer her to have a gun at hand, just in case the bad guy does. Will it make things completely equal, probably not. But, criminals target easy prey. Any resistance at all will reduce the total incidence of crime. Where the potential victims might carry guns, there's less crime. When the potential victims are almost guaranteed to be unarmed, crime increases. It's that simple. Keith

Only because the bad guy might have a gun? So you think your grandmother (were she alive) perfectly capable of disarming and subduing a mugger with a knife, or his fists alone? :confused:

[belverron]

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I tire of individualism some times. I suppose it's good at times, but I think that for the most part the facts support that a society wih fewer guns is a safer society. Just because you feel safer and more able to defend yourself and your household is not, to me, justification for opposing measures that work for the general welfare.

[Osborn F Enready]

belverron said: but I think that for the most part the facts support that a society wih fewer guns is a safer society.

Funny, never ever, has it appeared to me that way, using actual facts, history and modern times as a guide.....

[TheColdTruth]

Quote by: belverron Gun politics in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I tire of individualism some times. I suppose it's good at times, but I think that for the most part the facts support that a society wih fewer guns is a safer society. Just because you feel safer and more able to defend yourself and your household is not, to me, justification for opposing measures that work for the general welfare.

What facts support your opinion?

I do not just feel I am safer, I know I am safer.

When you tire of "individualism" what you're actually tiring of is individual rights. I bet you're just fine with only police having guns, since they're the only ones that "need" them, right? :rolleyes:

[Keith Hamburger]

Quote by: TheColdTruth Only because the bad guy might have a gun? So you think your grandmother (were she alive) perfectly capable of disarming and subduing a mugger with a knife, or his fists alone? :confused:

You're right. I mis-spoke. I don't care if the criminal has a gun. One should respond with adequate force to a threat to ensure the threat itself is stopped as well as to make sure it never happens from that person again.

The bad guy doesn't have to have a gun in order for one to respond with one.

Keith.

[TheColdTruth]

Quote by: Keith Hamburger You're right. I mis-spoke. I don't care if the criminal has a gun. One should respond with adequate force to a threat to ensure the threat itself is stopped as well as to make sure it never happens from that person again. The bad guy doesn't have to have a gun in order for one to respond with one. Keith.

:)

[brien]

Quote by: belverron Gun politics in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I tire of individualism some times. I suppose it's good at times, but I think that for the most part the facts support that a society wih fewer guns is a safer society. Just because you feel safer and more able to defend yourself and your household is not, to me, justification for opposing measures that work for the general welfare.

I tire of individualism some times

Well, perhaps you are better suited for a Communist society where the welfare of the state is paramount to the individual. The Bill of Rights is tailored to the individual and NOT group welfare.