Black Youths Are Slaves to Stereotypes

[kubedawg]

Quote by: ByaKya What dominant culture? Country music and burger king? Dont be ridiculous. If their history wasnt one of oppression by whites, then they would have turned out different. and race problems wouldnt be where they are. When whites admit what theyve done, and pay for it, in terms of reparations, then we can start with this assimilating stuff, but of course id rather you oppose reparations, and blacks and latinos oppose assimilation, and hence change the political culture of the US. So that in the future america develops a real CULTURE. Never ceases to amaze me, after hundreds of years of slavery, after theft of their land, the US/whites expect the slaves to "adopt" the culture that enslaved them, the US/whites expect latinos to "adopt" the culture that stole half the land of their country. Absolutely hilarious, i am ROFLWAFFLECAKING all over you. Dream on

How in the world do you know it would have been different if oppression by white people hadn't existed? You have some sort of looking glass to tell the outcomes of certain events, for those "if" situations? I think not. I may be white, but I certainly did not play a part in oppressing black people/native americans/hispanic people... I'm half german and part czechslovakian and part scotish. How did my grandparents and their parents and so on oppress the people here in the united states? Another analogy, just because I'm half german does not mean I am partly responsible for the hollocaust, or are required to provide repparations for the genocide hitler commited on tons of jewish people. Your argument is complete nonsense. Don't blame it on the white people, blame it on the government that controlled slavery and oppression of many different races/tribes. Wars are often fought over land. And because we got this land, does not mean we owe anything to the people who lived here before our invasion. It's ridiculous you talking like this.

[ByaKya]

Quote by: kubedawg How in the world do you know it would have been different if oppression by white people hadn't existed? You have some sort of looking glass to tell the outcomes of certain events, for those "if" situations? I think not. I may be white, but I certainly did not play a part in oppressing black people/native americans/hispanic people... I'm half german and part czechslovakian and part scotish. How did my grandparents and their parents and so on oppress the people here in the united states? Another analogy, just because I'm half german does not mean I am partly responsible for the hollocaust, or are required to provide repparations for the genocide hitler commited on tons of jewish people. Your argument is complete nonsense. Don't blame it on the white people, blame it on the government that controlled slavery and oppression of many different races/tribes. Wars are often fought over land. And because we got this land, does not mean we owe anything to the people who lived here before our invasion. It's ridiculous you talking like this.

ROFL!!!. The Germans did indeed pay reparations for their acts against jews during world war 2. !!! If I'm not mistaken the total reparations paid was to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, maybe more !. So much for that part of your post.
As for the for the first part, I can tell you there would be no viewing of whites as enemies by blacks if there was no oppression. Just like libyans don't see russians as enemies, or just like how the greeks don't see vietnamese as enemies. That's how humans work, you oppress them, they hate you. You help them, they like you. But you want to challenge this simple statement ? ROFL.

[kubedawg]

Quote by: ByaKya ROFL!!!. The Germans did indeed pay reparations for their acts against jews during world war 2. !!! If I'm not mistaken the total reparations paid was to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars, maybe more !. So much for that part of your post. As for the for the first part, I can tell you there would be no viewing of whites as enemies by blacks if there was no oppression. Just like libyans don't see russians as enemies, or just like how the greeks don't see vietnamese as enemies. That's how humans work, you oppress them, they hate you. You help them, they like you. But you want to challenge this simple statement ? ROFL.

No amount of money can make up for the loss of one human life. therefore, germans did not "pay" for what they did. But that's not the point. When it comes around for me to have been born natively in the USA, why is the blame automatically put on me for what government did to other people a hundred years ago? I don't owe anything more to black people, native americans, or latinos more than I owe to other white people. Reparation is a funny word. One that is tossed around like throwing money at a situation would make it all better. Well, it doesn't.

[ByaKya]

Quote by: kubedawg No amount of money can make up for the loss of one human life. therefore, germans did not "pay" for what they did. But that's not the point. When it comes around for me to have been born natively in the USA, why is the blame automatically put on me for what government did to other people a hundred years ago? I don't owe anything more to black people, native americans, or latinos more than I owe to other white people. Reparation is a funny word. One that is tossed around like throwing money at a situation would make it all better. Well, it doesn't.

First you asked "why should we pay reparations!? The jews didn't get any reparations for what the germans did to them, so there!"
And now, it doesn't matter since I showed you that indeed the germans did pay.
And you said no amount of money equals a human life, so that germans didn't really "pay".
Great, take this same line of reasoning and apply it to the minorities the us has oppressed. Pay the reparations just like the germans, and then say "well we didn't really pay". Same thing right ? Thanks for stopping by

[kubedawg]

You just said the Germans paid reparations due to their actions in your previous post, now you say they didn't? Regardless, no 'reparations' could ever be as important as a human life. Therefore those responsible(the government) should be the ones with the blood on their hands, not myself, or my family. Stop being racist and start blaming the right people. Oh, and if you want to blame the individuals, you can't, because they're probably all dead now too. Why do people feel white people need to pay reparations to black people or latinos when we in our current generation had nothing to do with what had happened prior? It doesn't make any sense.

[ByaKya]

Quote by: kubedawg You just said the Germans paid reparations due to their actions in your previous post, now you say they didn't? Regardless, no 'reparations' could ever be as important as a human life. Therefore those responsible(the government) should be the ones with the blood on their hands, not myself, or my family. Stop being racist and start blaming the right people. Oh, and if you want to blame the individuals, you can't, because they're probably all dead now too. Why do people feel white people need to pay reparations to black people or latinos when we in our current generation had nothing to do with what had happened prior? It doesn't make any sense.

The german government paid reparations useing the taxes that the government collected from its people. so YES, indeed the german people PAID for the actions of the german government for their actions against the jews during world war 2.
If germany can pay reparations to jews, then the US can pay reparations to minorites, blacks in this case.

the people directly responisble are dead? and? Does that mean any government can enslave, kill, occupy and do whatever it wants, but as soon as the people they enslaved or occupied are all dead and gone, or the people themselves that did the enslaving or occupying then its all OK?

So if i start a nation, enslave hundreds of thousands of people, getting a ton load of money and buildings thanks to these people, my nation benefits and becomes a world power. Then i die, and then all the slaves die, so we are all even? This nation becomes equal morally and ethically and as legitamite as any nation that was a model nation, enslaved no one and occupied no one?
These two nations are the same? i didnt think so. thanks for playing

[kubedawg]

Quote by: ByaKya The german government paid reparations useing the taxes that the government collected from its people. so YES, indeed the german people PAID for the actions of the german government for their actions against the jews during world war 2. If germany can pay reparations to jews, then the US can pay reparations to minorites, blacks in this case. the people directly responisble are dead? and? Does that mean any government can enslave, kill, occupy and do whatever it wants, but as soon as the people they enslaved or occupied are all dead and gone, or the people themselves that did the enslaving or occupying then its all OK? So if i start a nation, enslave hundreds of thousands of people, getting a ton load of money and buildings thanks to these people, my nation benefits and becomes a world power. Then i die, and then all the slaves die, so we are all even? This nation becomes equal morally and ethically and as legitamite as any nation that was a model nation, enslaved no one and occupied no one? These two nations are the same? i didnt think so. thanks for playing

Let me ask you a serious question. If your family was killed by the nazis, which would you rather have, money or your family back? Wars are often fought over land. We are past that part of history. We are in a new age and thus should let the past stay that way. I'm not saying we should forget our past as it's necessary for us to not relive our mistakes, but we were more powerful than native americans and as such, we were able to conquer their land. Now, they can have a life here in the USA or they can move somewhere else. That's heir choice. Unless they have a powerful destructive force that can take over the country again, they have no say in how the country should be run, or how the country should be split up such as giving the land back to native americans or latinos.

[ByaKya]

Quote by: kubedawg Let me ask you a serious question. If your family was killed by the nazis, which would you rather have, money or your family back? Wars are often fought over land. We are past that part of history. We are in a new age and thus should let the past stay that way. I'm not saying we should forget our past as it's necessary for us to not relive our mistakes, but we were more powerful than native americans and as such, we were able to conquer their land. Now, they can have a life here in the USA or they can move somewhere else. That's heir choice. Unless they have a powerful destructive force that can take over the country again, they have no say in how the country should be run, or how the country should be split up such as giving the land back to native americans or latinos.

That's what I thought, thanks for prooving my point., "might makes right" genocide against the indians is ok since "we were stronger".
I guess that means nazi genocide against the jews was ok becuase the nazis were stronger ? You said this yourself. In the post I quoted, I'd like to see you back peddle out of this one, rofl.

And about the "minorities have no say" bit, give it time = )

[grandpa]

Quote by: ByaKya That's what I thought, thanks for prooving my point. "might makes right" genocide against the indians is ok since "we were stronger".

The double standards are pretty amazing. And keep in mind that this is even ingrained in some people who have some Indian ancestry.

It's not solely a pure "white" phenomenon. The conquered are supposed to proud of the "American heritage" which saw them nearly destroyed.

Grandpa h.

[Epistemologist]

Quote by: grandpa The double standards are pretty amazing. And keep in mind that this is even ingrained in some people who have some Indian ancestry. It's not solely a pure "white" phenomenon. The conquered are supposed to proud of the "American heritage" which saw them nearly destroyed. Grandpa h.

I assume we're talking about Native Americans. Also, this hostility and "might makes right" occurs between all cultures, although some can afford to satisfy their fear of conflict by not exercising this natural tendency to fight and thus "make right." Other times, however, a culture is pushed to the corner and is looking for its survival, so it fights.

[ByaKya]

Quote by: Epistemologist I assume we're talking about Native Americans. Also, this hostility and "might makes right" occurs between all cultures, although some can afford to satisfy their fear of conflict by not exercising this natural tendency to fight and thus "make right." Other times, however, a culture is pushed to the corner and is looking for its survival, so it fights.

you dont understand "might makes right"
its not about revenge. Its about two sides in conflict and the idea that the winner is right, well because hes still alive and he won/killed the other.

This is the logic the person im arguing with is useing.

[Epistemologist]

Quote by: ByaKya you dont understand "might makes right" its not about revenge. Its about two sides in conflict and the idea that the winner is right, well because hes still alive and he won/killed the other. This is the logic the person im arguing with is useing [sic].

What do you mean I don't understand? I never said anything about revenge. Two cultures would obviously have two different intersubjective truths, and they'd be conflicting with each other since the existence of one threatens the existence of the other as that distinct entity. They fight for expansion and solidarity in relation to that intersubjective truth that they hold so dear.

So, some cultures e.g. African cultures may not attack others because they may not have enough initiative or even "might" to do so. However, Muslim cultures are attacking Western cultures because they are being stuck in a corner. And Hitler's German nationalism is another example. And the eviction of Native Americans is yet another.

Since the absolute truth can't be absolutely decided, every culture's goal is to make its intersubjective truth the single truth on Earth. That's a natural tendency, although some cultures e.g. the ones I mentioned may not be able to satisfy that tendency due to laziness, inefficiency, fear, etc.

The concept of "might makes right" is explicitly connected to the concept of cultural conflict and thus cultural differences since each culture has its own intersubjective truth or ontology that it must preserve.

[ByaKya]

Quote by: Epistemologist What do you mean I don't understand? I never said anything about revenge. Two cultures would obviously have two different intersubjective truths, and they'd be conflicting with each other since the existence of one threatens the existence of the other as that distinct entity. They fight for expansion and solidarity in relation to that intersubjective truth that they hold so dear. So, some cultures e.g. African cultures may not attack others because they may not have enough initiative or even "might" to do so. However, Muslim cultures are attacking Western cultures because they are being stuck in a corner. And Hitler's German nationalism is another example. And the eviction of Native Americans is yet another. Since the absolute truth can't be absolutely decided, every culture's goal is to make its intersubjective truth the single truth on Earth. That's a natural tendency, although some cultures e.g. the ones I mentioned may not be able to satisfy that tendency due to laziness, inefficiency, fear, etc. The concept of "might makes right" is explicitly connected to the concept of cultural conflict and thus cultural differences since each culture has its own intersubjective truth or ontology that it must preserve.

Your entire post is summed up as "might makes right" is a conflict between two cultures.

Whats the phrase im looking for? No $*#@ Sherlock!

Thats like saying war is a conflict between two sides, why are you stating the obvious?

But again, its clear you havent ever heard of "Might makes right" before, ill help you out

Might makes right - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In English, the phrase is most often used in negative assessments of expressions of power.

Also your posts look like they went through some kind of online translation website, did they?
If not, why do you speak that way? what kind of education have you been though?

[Epistemologist]

Quote by: ByaKya Your entire post is summed up as "might makes right" is a conflict between two cultures. Whats the phrase im looking for? No $*#@ Sherlock! Thats like saying war is a conflict between two sides, why are you stating the obvious? But again, its clear you havent ever heard of "Might makes right" before, ill help you out Might makes right - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In English, the phrase is most often used in negative assessments of expressions of power.

You posted before that I said "might makes right" is a matter of revenge. I never said that. And now all I'm doing is reiterating what I said. Maybe I left out mentioning the negative connotation of the word.

And it shouldn't be clear that I haven't heard of it before, because I have. I guess all I did was explain it to you, who doesn't understand that my explanation is correct.

You questioned my understanding of "might makes right," and I explained all that stuff about it. What's your problem?

Quote by: ByaKya Also your posts look like they went through some kind of online translation website, did they? If not, why do you speak that way? what kind of education have you been though?

No. That's just the way I speak English, I guess. A good education. Why are you asking these questions? :(

[Ladybird-bb]

"The greatest weapon in the hand of the enemy is the mind of the oppressed."

[otto]

[SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Before the US the Indians in North America had tribes. No government here was overthrown by Whites. The first government established here was the USA. Yes White Man did push the Indians back and much wrong doings took place, but the new settlement and 13 states did not overthrow any government here.
And the Slave trade was already in use with different Indian tribes, Middle East, and Africa.
In those days slavery was not considered wrong. Crazy as it sounds. It was mad.
I’m sure most people were afraid to say or do anything back then. Not to be first to say or do anything against slavery. And Human Rights in the 50s and 60s as well Like another planet it was.
Reparations? HA Let the Colonies in the past pay them. BE HERE NOW!
That way of thinking is long gone in history. If anyone should pay reparation it should have been the African Tribal leaders that sold them out to all countries and not just to the New Settlements in the New World.
Not to say slaves from Africa were not stolen. I’m sure many White Men with authority were mad back then, almost uncontrollable by many of their own. Scary… All people then made sacrifices to make things right. What reparations are paid to Union Families for those killed from the Civil War.? Eh? Sounds petty now, right?
If we all can’t BE HERE NOW instead rehashing ill feelings from history then we will never grow as a country and are moving toward a race war. Then nobody wins except the Terrorist. We all need to let it all go and move on. We were not there back then. The Blacks and Whites today were not there back.
Whites need to let it all go and move on. Forget what your Grandparents said. It’s all not true!!1
We all need to let it all go. We should always table history and teach true history, learn from history and move on together. Egyptian Egypt
About 5ive percent of Whites and Blacks are poisoning the rest. (Few bad apples). Know the difference. Stay focused. Stay Positive.
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[grandpa]

Quote by: otto Before the US the Indians in North America had tribes. No government here was overthrown by Whites.

And they still do have tribes, often called "tribal governments."

Grandpa h.

[ironeagle]

Yes and do you know why? Because so many are the stereotype, and so many think the world owes them and it's ok to be lazy not work and be a criminal cause they are poor. Rather than realizing they can go to work , get a home and save and have children with nice clothes and be drug free they choose to be those gangsta stereo types. Unfortunatly for the good ones they get stuck into that category along with the wannabe's.

[grandpa]

Quote by: ironeagle Yes and do you know why? Because so many are the stereotype, and so many think the world owes them and it's ok to be lazy not work and be a criminal cause they are poor.

Oh, yes -- and there are so many white folks you can trust.

Do you know any Native Americans? Because after reading
that, I certainly question it.

Grandpa h.

[ironeagle]

I most certainly do know Native Americans since I am one, my grand father and mother are, my relatives who live in the reservation are. What's your point? When's the last time you saw a gang of Cheerokee indians holding up a liquor store?