Black Youths Are Slaves to Stereotypes

[Cephus]

Quote by: Fonceai Blacks have a culture of their own, but I think too many of them don't know what it is.

No they don't. What is this culture and where did it originate? Which one of the hundreds or thousands of independent tribes in Africa do you want to claim that all blacks came from?

Black culture is invented in America. Heck, they couldn't even come up with a legitimate holiday, they had to invent Kwanza out of thin air.

[Compugasm]

I agree with Cephus. It's totally invented. Or rather, specifically made to convince people that it IS a black thing to do.

[Epistemologist]

Quote by: Cephus No they don't. What is this culture and where did it originate? Which one of the hundreds or thousands of independent tribes in Africa do you want to claim that all blacks came from? Black culture is invented in America. Heck, they couldn't even come up with a legitimate holiday, they had to invent Kwanza out of thin air.

When he says blacks, he means blacks living in the U.S., I suppose. And when you look at cultures, you really should stop looking at political boundaries e.g. the U.S., Mexico, etc., and start looking at social boundaries. I find it hard to believe that a stereotypical white family would fit in nicely in the ghetto. Indeed, you should look at the existence of stereotypes in cultural analyses.

[Cephus]

Quote by: Epistemologist When he says blacks, he means blacks living in the U.S., I suppose. And when you look at cultures, you really should stop looking at political boundaries e.g. the U.S., Mexico, etc., and start looking at social boundaries. I find it hard to believe that a stereotypical white family would fit in nicely in the ghetto. Indeed, you should look at the existence of stereotypes in cultural analyses.

That doesn't change anything, the fact is that you cannot point to any pre-existing culture as being adopted by black Americans and my point of 'black culture being wholly invented' is true.

Of course, you can't even point to any culture being shared universally among blacks either, so it isn't black culture, it's culture adopted by a certain number of black people. So even the name is ludicrous and does not apply.

You might be able to make a case for 'poor culture', but it has nothing to do with skin color.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Cephus That doesn't change anything, the fact is that you cannot point to any pre-existing culture as being adopted by black Americans and my point of 'black culture being wholly invented' is true. Of course, you can't even point to any culture being shared universally among blacks either, so it isn't black culture, it's culture adopted by a certain number of black people. So even the name is ludicrous and does not apply. You might be able to make a case for 'poor culture', but it has nothing to do with skin color.

Of course, much of what he seems to think is "black culture" is really "southern" culture.

[ByaKya]

Quote by: Chancellor I think that's a lot of it. But the other side of that coin is that many in the black community refuse to assimilate into the dominant culture. They insist on maintaining an us vs. them mentality and, because they have no real culture of their own (since their ancestors came to this country from so many different African cultures and since those who came to this country as slaves were denied any chance to develop a real culture of their own), they're really lost and are struggling to find some sense of identity. If all of these people - and everyone else who comes here - would just assimilate, they can all be Americans and revel in their common American identity.

What dominant culture? Country music and burger king? Dont be ridiculous.

If their history wasnt one of oppression by whites, then they would have turned out different. and race problems wouldnt be where they are.

When whites admit what theyve done, and pay for it, in terms of reparations, then we can start with this assimilating stuff, but of course id rather you oppose reparations, and blacks and latinos oppose assimilation, and hence change the political culture of the US.
So that in the future america develops a real CULTURE.

Never ceases to amaze me, after hundreds of years of slavery, after theft of their land, the US/whites expect the slaves to "adopt" the culture that enslaved them, the US/whites expect latinos to "adopt" the culture that stole half the land of their country.

Absolutely hilarious, i am ROFLWAFFLECAKING all over you.
Dream on

[Chancellor]

Quote by: ByaKya What dominant culture? Country music and burger king? Dont be ridiculous. If their history wasnt one of oppression by whites, then they would have turned out different. and race problems wouldnt be where they are. When whites admit what theyve done, and pay for it, in terms of reparations, then we can start with this assimilating stuff, but of course id rather you oppose reparations, and blacks and latinos oppose assimilation, and hence change the political culture of the US. So that in the future america develops a real CULTURE. Never ceases to amaze me, after hundreds of years of slavery, after theft of their land, the US/whites expect the slaves to "adopt" the culture that enslaved them, the US/whites expect latinos to "adopt" the culture that stole half the land of their country. Absolutely hilarious, i am ROFLWAFFLECAKING all over you. Dream on

The alternative to assimilation is that the conquerors (the "US/whites") exterminate the conquered.

[another day]

Quote by: Epistemologist Well, I think the misconception here is that racism is so often confused with color-ism. I think that's wrong. When we look at one's race, we look at his/her way of life and culture, and his/her skin color is only an initial indicator of that race. For instance, we see so many whites who are actually of the black race per se e.g. Eminem and those suburban white kids who listen to rap and speak ebonics. We also see many blacks who are of the white race e.g. those who live in suburbs surrounded by stereotypical white folk. This stance can thus be considered racist if the conception of the black ghetto culture is that it is criminally violent and sadistic. You would probably be scared because of your preconceived notions of the black race and not actually the black skin color. Of course, you associate all these feelings with the color because of dominance of visual sense perception and your neuronic associations. So, when Martin Luther King said people shouldn't be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character, in a sense he still left the avenue open for racism.

Are you trying to say that the black ghetto culture ISN'T criminal and violent? Because it most certainly is, and that is not racism, it's fact.

[ByaKya]

Quote by: Chancellor The alternative to assimilation is that the conquerors (the "US/whites") exterminate the conquered.

millions of the "conquered" marched in the streets with mexican flags, and then later american flags (just to play with your mind).

Oh and...

Whites Now A Minority In California, Census: Non-Hispanic Whites Now 47% Of State's Population - CBS News

California joins New Mexico, Hawaii and the District of Columbia where non-Hispanic whites are also in the minority.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/m...1&provider=top

Whites are now a minority in California, Texas, Hawaii, New Mexico and the District of Columbia.

Who is conquering who?

GG

[ByaKya]

Quote by: another day Are you trying to say that the black ghetto culture ISN'T criminal and violent? Because it most certainly is, and that is not racism, it's fact.

Its not racism, it isnt fact, its an opinion.
An opinion that will get you beat up if said in the wrong place, make sure to yell "see? see how violent it is?" as you are getting pummeled

[Epistemologist]

Quote by: another day Are you trying to say that the black ghetto culture ISN'T criminal and violent? Because it most certainly is, and that is not racism, it's fact.

Absolutely not, where did you get that from? In fact, I was leaning towards saying that, but I didn't know if it would break the rules or not.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: ByaKya millions of the "conquered" marched in the streets with mexican flags, and then later american flags (just to play with your mind). Oh and...

I'm not so sure it was "millions." Protesting is an exercise of free speech - which is part of the DOMINANT CULTURE. It seems they've assimilated fairly well.

Whites Now A Minority In California, Census: Non-Hispanic Whites Now 47% Of State's Population - CBS News California joins New Mexico, Hawaii and the District of Columbia where non-Hispanic whites are also in the minority. http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/m...1&provider=top Whites are now a minority in California, Texas, Hawaii, New Mexico and the District of Columbia. Who is conquering who? GG

Why do you so ridiculously equate "Americans" with "whites"? If someone is born in the United States or is a naturalized citizen, that person is an American and it doesn't matter what color his skin is or how his ancestors got here.

[Epistemologist]

Quote by: Chancellor Why do you so ridiculously equate "Americans" with "whites"? If someone is born in the United States or is a naturalized citizen, that person is an American and it doesn't matter what color his skin is or how his ancestors got here.

No, that's only if the people are assimilated into what is called the "American culture," which is seen as one of white people. This goes back to what I was saying earlier: a black person in the U.S., for instance, who doesn't belong to what we call the black culture, might assimilate to this American culture and be called an oreo.

Also, you shouldn't think of culture along strictly political and geographical boundaries. Just because someone is living in America doesn't mean he/she is an American per se.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Epistemologist No, that's only if the people are assimilated into what is called the "American culture," which is seen as one of white people. This goes back to what I was saying earlier: a black person in the U.S., for instance, who doesn't belong to what we call the black culture, might assimilate to this American culture and be called an oreo. Also, you shouldn't think of culture along strictly political and geographical boundaries. Just because someone is living in America doesn't mean he/she is an American per se.

Notice that you said "seen as." Seen as is a subjective thing and is really irrelevant.

I accept that anyone born in the United States or who is a naturalized citizen is an American. I expect them to conform to American culture. If they don't want to be Americans, they're free to go live in some other country.

[ByaKya]

Quote by: Chancellor Notice that you said "seen as." Seen as is a subjective thing and is really irrelevant. I accept that anyone born in the United States or who is a naturalized citizen is an American. I expect them to conform to American culture. If they don't want to be Americans, they're free to go live in some other country.

Love it or leave it didnt work with blacks, it wont work with latinos.

in fact, they are going to hate it and stay

[ByaKya]

Quote by: Chancellor I'm not so sure it was "millions." Protesting is an exercise of free speech - which is part of the DOMINANT CULTURE. It seems they've assimilated fairly well. .

Yes the mexican flags drove the whole "assimilation" point home quite well, ROFL
the "go back to europe" "you stole it!" "youre the illegal immigrants" were just there way of saying god bless america

[Cephus]

Quote by: Chancellor I accept that anyone born in the United States or who is a naturalized citizen is an American. I expect them to conform to American culture. If they don't want to be Americans, they're free to go live in some other country.

Which is how it should work. Unfortunately, you have all the liberal idiots who want there to be no United States, no borders, no dominant culture, just people wandering around blindly, getting all of the American wealth handed to them on a silver platter, yet bearing no responsibilities whatsoever.

[Compugasm]

Quote by: Cephus ... getting all of the American wealth handed to them on a silver platter, yet bearing no responsibilities whatsoever.

That's exactly what "bling bling" is about.

[Epistemologist]

Quote by: Chancellor I accept that anyone born in the United States or who is a naturalized citizen is an American. I expect them to conform to American culture. If they don't want to be Americans, they're free to go live in some other country.

That's true, because as a member of the dominant American culture, which controls the apparatus of what is called the "American government," you expect conformity. Indeed, all cultures' goal is total solidarity, although some may not have the materials to totally achieve that goal due to some factors. In a sense, this is all a cultural survival of the fittest for the intersubjective ultimate truth, with some cultures reluctantly coexisting with others for optimized survival.

Quote by: Cephus Which is how it should work. Unfortunately, you have all the liberal idiots who want there to be no United States, no borders, no dominant culture, just people wandering around blindly, getting all of the American wealth handed to them on a silver platter, yet bearing no responsibilities whatsoever.

If you're implying something fishy, then keep in mind that I'm not a liberal idiot or anything like that. I'm just an observer of these cultural phenomena.

Quote by: Compugasm That's exactly what "bling bling" is about.

Ya, show me them grills brother.

[Cephus]

Quote by: Compugasm That's exactly what "bling bling" is about.

What, conspicuous display of wealth while sucking on the public tit for food?

And we're supposed to be proud of these morons?