African American education????

[copabeat]

According to some recent information released "Africian American" graduation from high school for males is at an all time high, a shameful 40%, with less than 20% going on to College. Boy, that just s***** can't we do better than that? (All Americians)

Could you imagine what American life/culture would be like w/o the contributions of "African Americans" ( Sorry, I hate that term ) Boring & and who would have done all the hard work to lay the foundations for this great land? I know their were others too, but at least they got the credit for what they did.

[Nono]

Quote by: cop African Americans" ( Sorry, I hate that term )

Yes, I dislike it too -- too many syllables, sounds pretentious (like Li-thu-an-i-an Americans).
The only problem is finding a better alternative.

[ghost_stalker]

Quote by: copabeat According to some recent information released "Africian American" graduation from high school for males is at an all time high, a shameful 40%, with less than 20% going on to College. Boy, that just s***** can't we do better than that? (All Americians) Could you imagine what American life/culture would be like w/o the contributions of "African Americans" ( Sorry, I hate that term ) Boring & and who would have done all the hard work to lay the foundations for this great land? I know their were others too, but at least they got the credit for what they did.

TBH The contribution of Blacks as far as the industrial development of the country goes was (and still is) minimal, and its not that they aren't given credit, its that they only amount to about 10% of the overall population. Fact is my friend that credit is given to the ones that do most of the work, yes Blacks and other minorities have historically taken the less desirable jobs, (and usually the less desirable pay). Mentioning everyone involved in something is stupid. Thats like Steven King writing a book, put putting all of the contributors (which im sure there are many) under the name of the author.

[Frank_Wolcott]

*Disclaimer* A large portion of my statements are my personal opinion !*Disclaimer*
African-Americans are generally considered a less intelligent racial group by the American public. Let us define the terms of a racial group, shall we? The popular definition is that of skin color and facial characteristics. You see someone with black skin and immediately attach a moniker assuming that they act a certain way, and hold certain views. BUT WAIT, isn't that an ETHNIC group.
Okay, so a race is what exactly? Well, it turns out that modern science thinks "Since the 1940s, evolutionary scientists have rejected the view of race according to which any number of finite lists of essential characteristics could be used to determine a like number of races. For example, the convention of categorizing the human population based on human skin colors has been used, but hair colors, eye colors, nose sizes, lip sizes, and heights have not. Many evolutionary and social scientists think common race definitions, or any race definitions pertaining to humans, lack taxonomic rigour and validity. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race)" So, African-Americans is a stretch. After all, there are 30,000 genes in the human genome not to mention the possibility of genetic variation.
Wow, that sure puts the whole "blacks are dumb" argument right in the pooper because, who exactly is an African-American??? Oh, and by the way, you should sight your sources. Where exactly is this statistic coming from?
Now, about the high-school graduation rate. Perhaps if a certain ethnic group/culture that so many of these supposed "African-Americans" identify with would stop pushing social ideals such as: unprotected sex without regard for the consequences, hedonism, a hypocritcal faith, crime, and ninhilism, then we would see real intellectual progress. Because, excuse me, but I believe that when you are focused upon whether or not you are going to buy stupid things to impress your even stupider friends, it is hard to keep an eye on the ole GPA.

*This is my first post. I have intentionally made it seem headstrong so that I may recieve feedback. We all know that sensationalism is far more "productive" than fact.*

[Jakob]

Quote by: copabeat "African Americans" ( Sorry, I hate that term )

Would you prefer nigger (sorry for the vulgarity)? African American is what they are, exactly as I am German American, my friend is Korean-American, and my teacher Native American. It just denotes their heritage. There is nothing wrong with the term.

Quote by: "Frank_Wolcott Now, about the high-school graduation rate. Perhaps if a certain ethnic group/culture that so many of these supposed "African-Americans" identify with would stop pushing social ideals such as: unprotected sex without regard for the consequences, hedonism, a hypocritcal faith, crime, and ninhilism, then we would see real intellectual progress. Because, excuse me, but I believe that when you are focused upon whether or not you are going to buy stupid things to impress your even stupider friends, it is hard to keep an eye on the ole GPA.

i don't remember a specifc attack on African Americans, so I don't know who your post is defending. And I'd also like to point out that what you listed as traits for one ethnic group are very contradictive, and actually denote more than one cultural group.

Also, sensationalism may be far more productive than fact, but debate centers around fact. Sensationalism is why much of what you negatively ascribed to the majority of Americans exists today.

[Frank_Wolcott]

Okay, somebody actually read my post. That is really all I wanted. I realize that it was biased and unclear. I just wanted to make a step onto the forums (you should just ignore the content of the post.) Thank you for responding!

[Chancellor]

Quote by: copabeat According to some recent information released "Africian American" graduation from high school for males is at an all time high, a shameful 40%, with less than 20% going on to College. Boy, that just s***** can't we do better than that? (All Americians) Could you imagine what American life/culture would be like w/o the contributions of "African Americans" ( Sorry, I hate that term ) Boring & and who would have done all the hard work to lay the foundations for this great land? I know their were others too, but at least they got the credit for what they did.

If you hate the term so much, stop using it (since I don't believe in hyphenated Americans, I agree with your hatred of the term).

As for the rest of your post, how about we just stick to the contribution of AMERICANS to American life/culture instead of all this political correctness crap.

I think it is abominable that only 40 percent of blacks in America are graduating from high school but maybe we should be asking why that's the case. It seems to me that much (not all) of it is simply a matter of choice - many of these young people are simply choosing not to finish high school. So also, many of the 80 percent of young blacks who are not going on to college are simply choosing not to do so.

If someone chooses not to finish high school, that's his choice - let him bear the consequences of that choice instead of trying to blame everyone else (as the leftists are likely to do). If someone chooses not to go to college, that's his choice - let him bear the consequences of that choice instead of trying to blame everyone else (as the leftists are likely to do).

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Nono Yes, I dislike it too -- too many syllables, sounds pretentious (like Li-thu-an-i-an Americans). The only problem is finding a better alternative.

The alternative is simply "Americans."

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Frank_Wolcott Okay, somebody actually read my post. That is really all I wanted. I realize that it was biased and unclear. I just wanted to make a step onto the forums (you should just ignore the content of the post.) Thank you for responding!

I read your post. What's interesting is that much of what we now know as the social sciences (sociology, anthropology, psychology) came out of this attempt by "science" in the 1800s to classify groups of people in order to "prove" that whites of European ancestry were superior to everyone else (and, thus, justify their attempts to "civilize" the rest of the world by cultural genocide).

[tinybear]

Quote by: Nono Yes, I dislike it too -- too many syllables, sounds pretentious (like Li-thu-an-i-an Americans). The only problem is finding a better alternative.

How about black Americans? Or is that considered racist?

[Chancellor]

Quote by: tinybear How about black Americans? Or is that considered racist?

It still separates them from other Americans. A nation divided against itself will not stand.

[Frank_Wolcott]

Chancellor, do you deny a human beings need to catagorize all that it surveys? Admittedly, we should place a positive connotation upon the label; it will further enforce a more intimate social environment. Even to be open minded one must first realize that a difference exists between to humans in order to distinguish that it is not substantial.

For the record: I am not a racist; I do not believe in the concept of race. It is scientifically unsound and outdated.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Frank_Wolcott Chancellor, do you deny a human beings need to catagorize all that it surveys? Admittedly, we should place a positive connotation upon the label; it will further enforce a more intimate social environment. Even to be open minded one must first realize that a difference exists between to humans in order to distinguish that it is not substantial. For the record: I am not a racist; I do not believe in the concept of race. It is scientifically unsound and outdated.

No, I don't believe in the need for all that categorization. If you were born in the United States or are a naturalized citizen then you're an American and, frankly, that's the only national/ethnic identity that matters. There are fewer real differences among humans that these promoters of diversity are willing to admit.

As for racism, there's only one race: the human race.

[Frank_Wolcott]

I agree wholeheartedly. Instead of classification based upon ones features, what is your stance upon social classification? Do you recognize a difference between the two, and if so, why do you? How do you propose we eliminate the usage of said titles?
I also mean to clarify a point that I made earlier. I do not see a need for labels, it is just that we, as human beings, do label things in order to further organize our environments in a self-assuming logical manner.
Also, what are these few real differences that you speak of?

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Frank_Wolcott I agree wholeheartedly. Instead of classification based upon ones features, what is your stance upon social classification?

There is no valid basis for it.

Do you recognize a difference between the two, and if so, why do you?

I don't accept the notion of a difference between ethnic classifications and social classifications beyond distinguishing between people of one's own nation (a geopolitical entity) and other nations.

How do you propose we eliminate the usage of said titles?

One might not ever be able to eliminate the use of titles but one can certainly stop trying to promote differences.

I also mean to clarify a point that I made earlier. I do not see a need for labels, it is just that we, as human beings, do label things in order to further organize our environments in a self-assuming logical manner.

More efficient use of language is probably the only real value of labels.

Also, what are these few real differences that you speak of?

I was simply saying that there are fewer real differences among humans than the promoters of diversity would like us to believe.

[Frank_Wolcott]

Thank you very much for your reply.

[Fonceai]

Blacks, or African-Americans?

I just hate the term African-American. Charlize Theron is an African-American.

The 60% of black males not graduating are black Americans.

Quote by: Chancellor As for racism, there's only one race: the human race.

I did that on some paperwork once. Next to race I checked Other and wrote in Human.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Fonceai Blacks, or African-Americans? I just hate the term African-American. Charlize Theron is an African-American. The 60% of black males not graduating are black Americans. I did that on some paperwork once. Next to race I checked Other and wrote in Human.

Well, I don't believe in hyphenated Americans.

[Fonceai]

They're nothing more than dual-citizens.

German-Americans. Sino-Americans. Et cetera.

But if you were born here and are a citizen, you're American. Period.

[Chancellor]

Quote by: Fonceai They're nothing more than dual-citizens. German-Americans. Sino-Americans. Et cetera. But if you were born here and are a citizen, you're American. Period.

Only if they actually hold citizenship in both countries.