Cutting down successful people

[Leopard]

Originally posted by Bob_Dobbs,
letting the most aggressive and brutal live. thats not the kind of world i am trying to see.

the Hobbsian/Darwinistic universe you describe does not reflect the world around us. Both views equate humans with animals, driven solely by instinct and defined by natural forces. Humans, on the other hand, are quite different from animals in that we have at our disposal the unique ability to reason. It is because of reason that we were able to make that incredible leap of realizing that through trade we can gain more than through violence. 'Society' hasn't tamed the primitive man, it is reason. And it is reason that we, as individuals, have choosen to create groupings of people to better profit in our endeavors to eliminate our own discomfort.

and this is key... in socialism, all are caught and boiled... with capitalism, the strongest will climb out and survive...

this is strongly inaccurate in that in the free market, everyone benefits. Life is NOT a zero-sum game, both socialists AND conservatives are guilty of making this very large mistake. The 'poor' in the US are not better off than the 'poor' scattered across the globe because of our socialistic practices, their high (relatively) standard of living is due because of the freedom in our market IN SPITE OF government interference (from both left and right doctrines). Those that are 'poor' in the US would have an even greater standard of living if not for the infusion of governmental regulations, minimum wage laws, tariffs, bankruptcy laws,and the multitude of other interferences into the market.

michael

[prettyredhead]

It is part envy. But, we know that one cannot really say that many of these so called "success" stories did not come from their hard work. Many are inherited. They were born into it. Kennedys, Bushes, Rockefellers, ect.
Some are truly successful due to hard work, Bill Gates, Donald Trump and their smarts.
And some are rich simply because they are pretty, or can act, or throw a ball into a hoop or a goal. Our athletes are grossly overpaid. It is sickening. Same with music artists, and actors. They dont deserve to be paid millions. I dont care if it is hard work, like they claim. It takes alot of matresses to become a successful actress in some cases.
We should reward and applaude those like Gates and Trump. And should not respect athletes and actors/celebrities. They are nothing without people to adore them. They should make only 10 thousand a game, and 20 thousand a movie. That is all they deserve.
But, I think it boils down to hatred. Hate that you and I make money for others, and they dont share it. Many companies screw people out of profit sharing, and their retirement. It should be illegal.
If I am broke, I will file bankruptcy. It is the only way to escape impossible debt. I think that the wealthy should HAVE to share a percent of their wealth for the greater good of all its neighbors. Such as, build rec centers, after school programs, support a humanitarian cause with in our borders, and have to forfeit some money to the orphans in America. Since it is fashionable to adopt little yellow babys, instead of older kids who have no parents here in America.

[Mia]

Um, they do that already. It's called taxes. As far as your caps on what people should make, are you against the free market?

[Gorgo]

Do you know where we can find a free market?

[Leopard]

Originally posted by prettyredhead,
And some are rich simply because they are pretty, or can act, or throw a ball into a hoop or a goal. Our athletes are grossly overpaid. It is sickening. Same with music artists, and actors. They dont deserve to be paid millions. I dont care if it is hard work, like they claim. It takes alot of matresses to become a successful actress in some cases.

Then don't pay them!

oh, you aren't paying them, are you? whats your problem then?

if someone wants to pay someone else for whatever reason , what business is it of yours and who are you to judge? Does it affect you? no! This is a clear example of plain old envy, stop worrying about other people and try to improve your own lot if it worries you so much, but whining about what others make or do is childish.

michael

[5010]

Originally posted by Gorgo,
Do you know where we can find a free market?

Garage sale.
Pawn shop.

[Gorgo]

No laws? No property ownership?

[prettyredhead]

No , I am for a FAIR market. Are you an actress Mia.? DO you think it would be better to pay say, J-Lo 12 million for one f***in appearance or to take that money for Public schools? OR to fix the goddamn budget? No, let them have it is your opinion. I say, she is Ok not talented as an actress, but she is only worth a few hundred thousand a movie, not a million. Any actor/tress is not worth a million dollars. No one is.
What I MEANT was that they should have to PERSONALLY fund a new hospital, or rec center, or school. SInce they can make money off the kids going to see these things, they should give back. And not an hours entertainment, Wrong, try again. Something feasable and useful to all.
I dont pay these a**holes. I use bootleg copies of everything. I aint paying their salary, you are. I hate sports as well.

[prettyredhead]

YOu can own all you want, you dont get to hog all the money, though. You should have assets of no more than 10 million per 5 years. That is all you need.
We are diggin our own grave anyway. You cant take it with you, why not leave a usefull legacy for the world to remeber you by. Such as a hospital in your name, or a library, or a rec center, group home, orphanage, anything but your own greed. Or to some kid that you shat out in your million dollar mansion. Let them have some, the rest of the country have some too. You should do good if you are blessed with money. But that isnt politically correct.

[Mia]

Originally posted by prettyredhead,
No , I am for a FAIR market. Are you an actress Mia.? DO you think it would be better to pay say, J-Lo 12 million for one f***in appearance or to take that money for Public schools? OR to fix the goddamn budget? No, let them have it is your opinion. I say, she is Ok not talented as an actress, but she is only worth a few hundred thousand a movie, not a million. Any actor/tress is not worth a million dollars. No one is.
What I MEANT was that they should have to PERSONALLY fund a new hospital, or rec center, or school. SInce they can make money off the kids going to see these things, they should give back. And not an hours entertainment, Wrong, try again. Something feasable and useful to all.
I dont pay these a**holes. I use bootleg copies of everything. I aint paying their salary, you are. I hate sports as well.

No, I'm not, though I wanted to be. The government doesn't pay their salaries, so where the money should go and how much isn't you business or mine. Since you steal your entertainment products, it should be of no concern to you where movie-goers money goes.

I know what you meant - take a look at what they pay in taxes, though. They fund more hospitals and schools (based on property taxes) than 100 of us put together could (imagine the property taxes on their houses worth millions&#33

I personally think they should give more as well. I would if I had that much money. But they give quite a bit more than you seem to realize, and it's not something that anyone can force them to do so what is your point exactly other than you wish they would?

This is dumb. I don't even know why I'm responding to it.

[Leopard]

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[Mia]

To whom are you speaking?