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Anarchist Patriot · Oct 1, 2003, 09:33 pm

http://www.msnbc.com/news/973848.asp

School apologizes for Nazi flag flap

Reviled symbol waved during performance on Jewish holiday

MSNBC STAFF AND WIRE REPORTS

DALLAS, Sept. 30 — A Texas high school has apologized after the school band waved a Nazi flag during a performance on Friday, the start of the Jewish New Year holiday of Rosh Hashana. “We had an error in judgment,” band director Charles Grissom told the Dallas Morning News.

The band — which was preparing to showcase the performance at the University Interscholastic League contest on Oct. 15 — had already performed “Visions” a week earlier at a homecoming game in Paris, which is 100 miles northeast of Dallas.

Now, Grisson said the show will only include the American flag. “The kids and myself, we caused a reaction, and we certainly didn’t mean to,” he told the Morning News. “We’ll use it as a learning situation.”

Mark Briskman, regional director for the Anti-Defamation League, said the school superintendent also had apologized about the incident.
“This can serve as an educational tool that there are certain tools and certain symbols that still carry ... an amount of hurt,” Briskman told the newspaper. “It was a mistake, and they’ve apologized for it, and we basically accept their apology.”

Sodfather · Oct 1, 2003, 10:01 pm

I find it very ironic that this poor judgement occured on none other than the holiday of Rosh Hashana. :? Basically all I'm gonna say is that people need to step back and see how irrationally they react to stuff like this: in my opinion, the Nazis had extraordinary talent - misused, but extraordinary - and I believe their flag is an important part of history that we need to remember rather than purge from our minds.

Concerning religious issues with the flag - think of it this way: if you wave the flag of the ancient Romans at a half-time show, should I be outraged and begin to boo because the ancient Romans persecuted my Christian ancestors? No...The only difference is that the persecution of the Jews is much more recent and still ripe in our minds; but, seriously, stop crying over events like this... >:(

Fallen Angel · Oct 8, 2003, 03:23 am

Theres nothing extrordinary about the Power the Nazi party weilded over Germany Sodfather, it was just nothing but sheer brutality and using the fear caused from that to cower and eventually brainwash generations of Germans at the time, there is nothing at all to admire.
I would admire the German armed forces such as the wehrmacht, only for their brilliant organisation , tactics, and fighting skills.
However they were guilty of using the Nazi party's ideas of conquest for their own purposes, which is of course glory of conquest.
They could have gotten rid of the Nazi party, however there were too many Nazi sympathisers in all of the ranks to even make this possible.

Section 8 · Oct 9, 2003, 01:38 am

I wouldn't care as long as the kids fully studied nazism and other theories. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even though I would try to point out the wrongs in their philosophy. If it was truly the kids philosophy then I don't see why an apology is required.

RebelWithanAK · Oct 9, 2003, 12:30 pm

I'm sincerely in the belief that anyone with half a mind, given the facts, will draw the same conclusion as to the inherent evil of the nazi regime - and other related instances of racism and fascism. The point being, of course, is to give the facts. That said, I honestly don't believe a high school band has enough taste nor intelligence to deal with the topic judicially.

Section 8 · Oct 9, 2003, 07:36 pm

All I'm saying is if they actually studied and agreed with nazism, then they should be entitled to their own opinion. Besides, if they stop doing this I'll have to cut down on my Texas jokes.

Sodfather · Oct 9, 2003, 10:21 pm

If you look at Nazi Germany objectively, Angel, it's clear that they had great accomplishments; not only did they rally the whole nation to support Germany and take pride in her, but almost all of their surrounding opponents fell like dominoes. After being crushed after WWI, they built up their military into the strongest power on earth - so powerful that propaganda videos were needed to dispell the myth that the Germans were invincible in battle. If that's not extraordinary, then...

Section 8 · Oct 10, 2003, 01:04 am

Sounds like America, but we don't kill people openly. We tend to do it under the guise of naitonal security.

G. Adams · Oct 10, 2003, 07:00 am

Quote:

Originally posted by Sodfather@10-09-2003 10:21 PM
If you look at Nazi Germany objectively, Angel, it's clear that they had great accomplishments; not only did they rally the whole nation to support Germany and take pride in her, but almost all of their surrounding opponents fell like dominoes. After being crushed after WWI, they built up their military into the strongest power on earth - so powerful that propaganda videos were needed to dispell the myth that the Germans were invincible in battle. If that's not extraordinary, then...

And this is all a good thing for you? And you seem to have missed the sacrifices that were needed for Germany to achieve all this, like freedom and liberty.

Section 8 · Oct 10, 2003, 10:29 am

Extraodinary doesn't always mean good.

Fallen Angel · Oct 11, 2003, 02:15 am

Quote:

Originally posted by Sodfather@10-09-2003 10:21 PM
If you look at Nazi Germany objectively, Angel, it's clear that they had great accomplishments; not only did they rally the whole nation to support Germany and take pride in her, but almost all of their surrounding opponents fell like dominoes. After being crushed after WWI, they built up their military into the strongest power on earth - so powerful that propaganda videos were needed to dispell the myth that the Germans were invincible in battle. If that's not extraordinary, then...

The German people were sold a lie Sodfather, and they bought it knowingly.
When the full implications of what they had bought apon themselves were realised, it was too late to get out of it.
Fear of a brutal regiem kept them quiet.

Section 8 · Oct 11, 2003, 03:02 am

Most of the German citizens at that time were brainwashed by nazi propaganda. Modern day capitalists are using a similar approach.

Fallen Angel · Oct 11, 2003, 03:13 am

Quote:

Originally posted by Section 8@10-11-2003 03:02 AM
Most of the German citizens at that time were brainwashed by nazi propaganda. Modern day capitalists are using a similar approach.

Something Socialists never do..

Section 8 · Oct 11, 2003, 03:13 am

Sure some "socialists" do this. But then they cannot truly call themselves socialists.

Ainbhlinn · Oct 12, 2003, 04:18 am

"Quick, the terrorists are coming! Let us put our energies into creating an anarchist utopia to protect ourselves!"

Yeah, we're just like Hitler.

Fallen Angel · Oct 13, 2003, 11:33 pm

So where are all the 'real' socialists Section 8?
Do you think your pure stripped to the bare bones version of communism maybe does'nt hold enough excitement for them?

castille · Oct 15, 2003, 07:21 am

If we let socialists throw rocks at buildings, then we should let neo-Nazis do the same thing.

Lets be glad America actually lets such crazy things happen. I don't recall Cuba giving freedom for anti-Communist protest, or Nazi Germany allowing anti-Nazi protest.

G. Adams · Oct 15, 2003, 08:59 am

Are we all forgetting the McCarthy era? Or more relevant to today, the Patriot Act?
Stop clapping yourself on the back, while it suits America to allow such freedoms to be used it will do. But when America starts to suffer something, or even if it just percieves itself to be suffering, it's government happily curtails freedoms.

Section 8 · Oct 15, 2003, 12:03 pm

The police openly shoot and/or arrest protesters for no reason. Battle for seattle comes into mind. For the last time Cuba is NOT a communist country. The patriot act throughs all your "rights" out the window. Most poor people don't get equal representation in the courts, and big corporations get away with murder. (literally murder)

castille · Oct 16, 2003, 09:41 am

The Patriot act is nothing compared to the horrors of Stalin, Fidel Castro, and Mao Zedong.

Its odd how pro-Communists (or socialists) jump on every little mistake the US does, while denying the horrific atrocities committed by other countries. So the US accidently killed some Iraqi civilians....how many did Saddam kil? Maybe the Patriot act sucks....but China doesn't even allow a hint of protest.

Hey, last time somebody had the guts to rise against Communism, a Soviet tank rolled into Zechysvki Square and blew them up. I'm sure thats more severe than an American policeman arresting a protestor.

Oct 9, 2003, 12:30 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	I'm sincerely in the belief that anyone with half a mind, given the facts, will draw the same conclusion as to the inherent evil of the nazi regime - and other related instances of racism and fascism. The point being, of course, is to give the facts. That said, I honestly don't believe a high school band has enough taste nor intelligence to deal with the topic judicially. . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Oct 15, 2003, 07:21 am	#17 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	If we let socialists throw rocks at buildings, then we should let neo-Nazis do the same thing. Lets be glad America actually lets such crazy things happen. I don't recall Cuba giving freedom for anti-Communist protest, or Nazi Germany allowing anti-Nazi protest. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Oct 15, 2003, 08:59 am	#18 (permalink) (top)
G. Adams Fyrdman Location: Middlesbrough UK Posts: 4,152	Are we all forgetting the McCarthy era? Or more relevant to today, the Patriot Act? Stop clapping yourself on the back, while it suits America to allow such freedoms to be used it will do. But when America starts to suffer something, or even if it just percieves itself to be suffering, it's government happily curtails freedoms. Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. Winston Churchill

Oct 16, 2003, 09:41 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	The Patriot act is nothing compared to the horrors of Stalin, Fidel Castro, and Mao Zedong. Its odd how pro-Communists (or socialists) jump on every little mistake the US does, while denying the horrific atrocities committed by other countries. So the US accidently killed some Iraqi civilians....how many did Saddam kil? Maybe the Patriot act sucks....but China doesn't even allow a hint of protest. Hey, last time somebody had the guts to rise against Communism, a Soviet tank rolled into Zechysvki Square and blew them up. I'm sure thats more severe than an American policeman arresting a protestor. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Oct 1, 2003, 09:33 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Anarchist Patriot Molten Ash Posts: 143	http://www.msnbc.com/news/973848.asp School apologizes for Nazi flag flap Reviled symbol waved during performance on Jewish holiday MSNBC STAFF AND WIRE REPORTS DALLAS, Sept. 30 — A Texas high school has apologized after the school band waved a Nazi flag during a performance on Friday, the start of the Jewish New Year holiday of Rosh Hashana. “We had an error in judgment,” band director Charles Grissom told the Dallas Morning News. The band — which was preparing to showcase the performance at the University Interscholastic League contest on Oct. 15 — had already performed “Visions” a week earlier at a homecoming game in Paris, which is 100 miles northeast of Dallas. Now, Grisson said the show will only include the American flag. “The kids and myself, we caused a reaction, and we certainly didn’t mean to,” he told the Morning News. “We’ll use it as a learning situation.” Mark Briskman, regional director for the Anti-Defamation League, said the school superintendent also had apologized about the incident. “This can serve as an educational tool that there are certain tools and certain symbols that still carry ... an amount of hurt,” Briskman told the newspaper. “It was a mistake, and they’ve apologized for it, and we basically accept their apology.”

Oct 1, 2003, 10:01 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Sodfather Igneous Magma Posts: 327	I find it very ironic that this poor judgement occured on none other than the holiday of Rosh Hashana. :? Basically all I'm gonna say is that people need to step back and see how irrationally they react to stuff like this: in my opinion, the Nazis had extraordinary talent - misused, but extraordinary - and I believe their flag is an important part of history that we need to remember rather than purge from our minds. Concerning religious issues with the flag - think of it this way: if you wave the flag of the ancient Romans at a half-time show, should I be outraged and begin to boo because the ancient Romans persecuted my Christian ancestors? No...The only difference is that the persecution of the Jews is much more recent and still ripe in our minds; but, seriously, stop crying over events like this... >:(

Oct 8, 2003, 03:23 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Fallen Angel Igneous Magma Location: Sydney,Australia. Posts: 333	Theres nothing extrordinary about the Power the Nazi party weilded over Germany Sodfather, it was just nothing but sheer brutality and using the fear caused from that to cower and eventually brainwash generations of Germans at the time, there is nothing at all to admire. I would admire the German armed forces such as the wehrmacht, only for their brilliant organisation , tactics, and fighting skills. However they were guilty of using the Nazi party's ideas of conquest for their own purposes, which is of course glory of conquest. They could have gotten rid of the Nazi party, however there were too many Nazi sympathisers in all of the ranks to even make this possible.

Oct 9, 2003, 01:38 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	I wouldn't care as long as the kids fully studied nazism and other theories. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even though I would try to point out the wrongs in their philosophy. If it was truly the kids philosophy then I don't see why an apology is required.

Oct 9, 2003, 07:36 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	All I'm saying is if they actually studied and agreed with nazism, then they should be entitled to their own opinion. Besides, if they stop doing this I'll have to cut down on my Texas jokes.

Oct 9, 2003, 10:21 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Sodfather Igneous Magma Posts: 327	If you look at Nazi Germany objectively, Angel, it's clear that they had great accomplishments; not only did they rally the whole nation to support Germany and take pride in her, but almost all of their surrounding opponents fell like dominoes. After being crushed after WWI, they built up their military into the strongest power on earth - so powerful that propaganda videos were needed to dispell the myth that the Germans were invincible in battle. If that's not extraordinary, then...

Oct 10, 2003, 01:04 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	Sounds like America, but we don't kill people openly. We tend to do it under the guise of naitonal security.

Oct 10, 2003, 10:29 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	Extraodinary doesn't always mean good.

Oct 11, 2003, 03:02 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	Most of the German citizens at that time were brainwashed by nazi propaganda. Modern day capitalists are using a similar approach.

Oct 11, 2003, 03:13 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	Sure some "socialists" do this. But then they cannot truly call themselves socialists.

Oct 12, 2003, 04:18 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
Ainbhlinn Sedimentary Rock Posts: 9	"Quick, the terrorists are coming! Let us put our energies into creating an anarchist utopia to protect ourselves!" Yeah, we're just like Hitler.

Oct 13, 2003, 11:33 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
Fallen Angel Igneous Magma Location: Sydney,Australia. Posts: 333	So where are all the 'real' socialists Section 8? Do you think your pure stripped to the bare bones version of communism maybe does'nt hold enough excitement for them?

Oct 15, 2003, 12:03 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	The police openly shoot and/or arrest protesters for no reason. Battle for seattle comes into mind. For the last time Cuba is NOT a communist country. The patriot act throughs all your "rights" out the window. Most poor people don't get equal representation in the courts, and big corporations get away with murder. (literally murder)